She doesn't give a fuck about that though.

Thank you!

I’m sick about this. And I hate war.

And we need an orderly withdrawal to protect our own men. Our guys and the Kurds demand our fidelity, care and support. Anything less is dishonorable. And insane. I have no problem getting out of Syria or Afghanistan for that matter. I would have fully supported humanitarian aid in Syria but it turned into something else. Afghanistan? We've been in country for what? Seventeen years. Time to bring our guys home. But for God's sake, do it the right way.

I will cross her off my presidential list. ( not that she was on it!)😉

Do you really think any US admin legitimately cared about slaughtered Kurdish women vs Turkish or Saudi interests. Let alone Russian pressure on Trump?

That question should be directed to the generals who allied with Kurds knowing they were pawns of convenience to be sacrificed when their utility drained.

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Pretending otherwise is foolish in my opinion. I hope I'm proven wrong and stability and safety comes to Kurds and all in the region.

She's not ready for prime time.

pop up with something like this. Gabbard being my rep.. I know who she is.

The idea she apparently can't understand is you can be against the U.S. being there. As well as against us just turning tail and leaving abruptly. We promised to protect the Kurds a group we abandoned the last time we encourage them to rise up during Bush's tenure.

Leaving like Donny wants to do will also leave a large group of civilians to be slaughtered.

Just STFU Tulsi

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be deleting those old tweets, though hopefully they are archived by someone.

That she is not and has not, only underscores the obvious.

Why doesn't she go ahead with her plan to run for Pres? And if she thinks the focus should be on fighting ISIS, what does she think we're doing in Syria. She's in as big a self bubble as Individual 1.


Hiya....

even though she thinks she is in that little bubble of hers.

Hey, Me!

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There's a right way and a wrong way to handle things.

potus maybe she'll resign.

Spooky

and fam will come to Kailua this Christmas Holiday?

Tulsi Gabbard should take notes.

Barbara Lee has it exactly right.

It's not the first time Gabbard has sided with trump.

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"I agree we must bring home our troops as soon as possible," or the part where she says we shouldn't bring the
troops home?

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Trump just continued the policy.

sides with trump's gift to putin.

We should have never insterted ourselves into the Syrian fiasco.

I agree that Trump's sudden and politically reactionary pull out is harmful to both US and Kurdish interests. I feel strongly we should have never been there in the first place. My preferred outcome is a withdrawal that would minimize or prevent another intervention by the next administration.

are licking their chops right about now.

SDF/YPG/YPJ and other Kurdish factions in Kurdish controlled Syria are more than capable fighters. They have demonstrated remarkable combat effectiveness against Turkey and ISIS. They need our logistical support not our "boots on the ground." We should provide steady supply of ATGM and heavy weaponry to trusted Kurdish factions to dissuade renewed Turkish/SAA incursions enforce a negotiated peace and future for the Kurds in Syria.

That should just about cover it .

Opinions are aplenty round here. What is your opinion for best course of action for Syria and/or Kurds in Syria?

Under both daddy Bush and W Bush we promised to back the Kurds and didn't so here we go again? Historically they've been betrayed, not just by us, for many decades.

Erdogan, who wants to wipe them out, calls trump so suddenly we're pulling out?

No.

If we keep pulling this crap no one will ever trust us as allies again. Considering out past history with the Kurds it's a complex situation that needs thorough evaluation as to how to proceed and trump's simplistic pullout is just dumb.

We need seasoned diplomatic and military leadership there but we have trump.

God help us.

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Innocent lives depend on us not to act on the whim of a madman.

and jumping off the roof of the building.

A difference Gabbard is pretending to not understand.

Very Well Put

agree with this from him, too..

Noam Chomsky tells those who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton to stop Donald Trump: You Made A Big Mistake

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/noam-chomsky-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-a7438526.html

Thanks for calling out Gabbard on her "whataboutism"!

Especially after they helped fight Isis?

She's qualified to speak on this subject imo and it colors her response. WTF are we doing in Syria? Regime change? Supporting the mythical moderates (aka Al Qaeda and affiliates)? Imposing democracy / modernity at the point of a gun? That always works so well.

We create a huge effing mess and then jump in the middle of it because Chaos! if we leave.

Rinse, repeat.

there. That is not the issue now.

It would be nice if it changes our behavior in the future.

and cedes the region to Russia--not to mention the next round of humanitarian crises.

Surely you can see that.

'Cause I surely can't see that.

She says NOTHING of the consequences or those impacted nor any strategy concerns, but... ok.

Apparently >8 hours after that first tweet she got enough backlash that she finally mentioned the word Kurd for the first time and that there just might be collateral damage in the form of massacred allies.

I guess she didn't want to offend her buddies Trump and Assad.

the hysterical reaction to them and how it demonstrates some peoples attachment to war. Do you agree with her that Lindsey Graham has an overwhelming attachment to war?

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We need to get our troops out of Syria ASAP, but it must be done responsibly. Turkey will see this as an invitation to invade northern Syria, decimate our Kurdish allies, & strengthen jihadists like AQ/ISIS/etc, undermining our national security and causing more suffering.
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she raises the very points you seem to think she "doesn't understand." Did you just not see that one, or did you ignore it?

So, no, she just doesn't have the judgement I'd want for a Congressional Rep, frankly, much less someone with higher aspirations. Might she acquire it?

Given her track record buddying up with Trump and Assad, not to mention giving Trump cover on some of his most horrendous anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant policies, I'd guess not.

It's hard to pick a side isn't it? Handing the country over to Assad--oh wait, he's already there, and we were trying to take him out. There are no moderates opposing him, only more bad actors including al Qaeda and ISIS, both of which were created or strengthened by our previous stupidities. Now Bolton wants to stay forever because Iran, another opponent created by our previous stupidity.

At some point it is time to get off the merrygoround. Unless you just like wars.

Barbara Lee does.

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 Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the White House’s announcement that it would begin to withdraw troops from Syria would put the U.S. at risk.


“Actions have consequences, and whether we’re in Syria or not, the people who want to harm us are there & at war. Isolationism is weakness. Empowering ISIS is dangerous. Playing into Russia & Iran’s hands is foolish. This President is putting our national security at grave risk,” Clinton, the 2016 Democratic nominee for president, tweeted. 

Allies is now hysterical.

Russian puppet say what?

I don't understand.

But don't seem to be subject to the same sorts of attacks for some reason.

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merely withdraw (both Lieu and Ro Khanna). Both call for a NEGOTIATED solution and cease fire--not merely withdrawing and devil be damned.

Tulsi, on the other hand.... .

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time she's sided with trump.

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Lieu doesn't call Democrats that disagree with him "Neo-libs" like Gabbard did in her tweet. So I can disagree with him, but have no reason to attack or share my displeasure with his views.

I haven't followed Khanna long enough to say anything about him.

Her comment was spot on.

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trump's gift to putin.

But it’s nice to find out who’s the wise oracle of the DU

And, yes.. Gabbard is simplistic.

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I've always been for pulling out of Syria. I'm not gonna change my mind because the idiot in the WH agrees.

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Her devotees show up to defend her. Yet another instance where supposed Dems find themselves advocating for the Trumpian/ Russian side of an issue. The Mattis thread earlier today being another example. JPR must be a ghost town these days where digital tumbleweeds outnumber people.

Of the issue - for some odd reason.

Obligatory at this point.

I’m all for pulling out of Afghanistan, I don’t care which President purposes it. Don’t conflate proper policy with the Individual proposing it. This was the Repugthink throughout the Obama Administration. Hell, Obamacare was a Romney/Heritage Foundation proposal, but look at the Repug trashing it took after it became law, because it had Obama’s name on it.

does has putin written all over it.

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Gabbard will never have my support precisely becUse of the things (slurs) she directed at PBO on this very topic.

Seems like binary thinking to me.

Every time.

number on his outrage, along with others.

Trump takes calls from Erdogan and Putin and split second decision announces plans to pull them out with no consultation with our allies, with our DOD, with our State Department? No discussion of consequences, no plan.... Apparently even Erdogan was shocked enough to remind him to not be so abrupt. Did you hear that?!

Yeah, Gabbard defending that is suggestive of really complex thinking. NOT

Glad and respect that she served, but that is indicative of nothing in terms of complex foreign policy understanding as she has repeatedly demonstrated.

who said pretty much the same as her, minus Tulsi's slam on Grahams hysteria? He doesn't seem too concerned about the Kurds and our other allies either. Does that bother you? Did you ever stop to think maybe they just both released a statement without going into too much detail?

They are at least addressing the complexities of withdrawal, something Tulsi seems totally oblivious to. Perhaps the Putin/Assad in her head is causing confusion. She surely has provided no evidence of understanding beyond the most simplistic of views.

I wish we'd not gone in to Syria, just as with Iraq under Bush*. But we are there and withdrawal has to be a carefully thought out and orderly process and not merely expend our allies as "collateral damage" and ignore the humanitarian crisis that comes. Not to mention the impact on ISIS and global terrorism.

The only time he mentioned the withdrawal was in the first sentence. He offered nothing about what should be done to avoid the crisis that will be the result of the withdrawal.

"I strongly agree with the President’s decision to withdraw US troops from Syria."

Neither who have history with Assad, btw, nor a history of defending Mike Flynn and other Trump criminals and attempting to dismiss Russian interference with the 2016 election.

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that's too much drama as far as I'm concerned. But have a good evening.

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she advocated. Must have gotten a lot of blow back after her first two tweets. ...


Just a few items... The pro-Flynn tweet is posted upstream.

first tweet.. no wonder she changed her tune.

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she got a Hellava Lot of Pushback on her first Clueless Tweet.. where others were telling her about the Kurds.

She thinks she's potus material she's Not.

so what? Not everybody from the military knows what they're talking about.

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Then I have nothing to say about Tulsi Gabbard.

Arguments can be made for pulling these troops. I always look for reasons to not have our troops in conflict. Her argument here is just stupid and lacks any concern for human life.