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onenote

(42,704 posts) Fri Dec 21, 2018, 06:51 PM Dec 2018

The vote to proceed passes with Pence as the tiebreaker

This is not the cloture vote to end debate, which requires 60 votes. This is the vote to take up the bill for debate. Flake just switched his vote from No to Aye and Jones voted Aye. That made it 47-47 and the vote ended with Pence casting the tiebreaker.

The question is whether this is part of a deal.

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The vote to proceed passes with Pence as the tiebreaker (Original Post) onenote Dec 2018 OP

I am confused...huh????? BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #1

The vote today was to proceed. The one after that would be on cloture. onenote Dec 2018 #2

It's about Senate Rules. Volaris Dec 2018 #7

Thanks! BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #8

Yeah. Senate procedural rules are nuts. Volaris Dec 2018 #9

Vote to begin debate...vote for cloture...vote for the bill. pecosbob Dec 2018 #3

I should not have to try and keep up with all this bullshit. justhanginon Dec 2018 #4

The evilness of Mike Pcnce, that slithering snake. ffr Dec 2018 #5

True, but this vote was part of an orchestrated deal. onenote Dec 2018 #6

BigmanPigman

(51,594 posts)

1. I am confused...huh?????

Reply to onenote (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2018, 06:54 PM

Dec 2018

onenote

(42,704 posts)

2. The vote today was to proceed. The one after that would be on cloture.

Reply to BigmanPigman (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 21, 2018, 06:58 PM

Dec 2018

There was some question whether the vote to proceed would pass, but with Flake and Jones voting (and without having to wait for more missing Senators to get there), they declared a tie. The deal apparently is that there will not be a vote on cloture -- so the Democrats can't be accused of blocking the bill from coming to a vote. Instead, there are going to further attempts to reach a compromise.

I'm not sure what that compromise might be, but I'm guessing it might be one that involves splitting off the appropriations for DHS (which is where the wall money comes into play) from the other approps bills so that the only DHS faces a shutdown (and much of DHS would keep working because of the essential employee exception).

Volaris

(10,271 posts)

7. It's about Senate Rules.

Reply to BigmanPigman (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 21, 2018, 07:29 PM

Dec 2018

You need a vote to begin debate (this now has passed)
You need a vote to END debate (need 60--probably not there yet)
You need a vote to approve (only need 51).