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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTulsi Gabbard: "We need to get our troops out of Syria ASAP, but it must be done responsibly."
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"We need to get our troops out of Syria ASAP, but it must be done responsibly. Turkey will see this as an invitation to invade northern Syria, decimate our Kurdish allies, & strengthen jihadists like AQ/ISIS/etc, undermining our national security and causing more suffering."
Don't most DU-ers agree with these sentiments?
shanny
(6,709 posts)about how much she doesn't understand the situation. Because saying we should never have gone in is apparently the same as saying now that we want to leave we should just throw everything up in the air and run out from underneath it.
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)that she is being criticized only because she disagreed with the original deployment is very disingenuous, especially after it has been countered repeatedly...
She didn't even consider the repercussions of an abrupt pull-out. until countless twitter users called her on it.
Most of us are not ok with a massacre of our allies nor policy made on the fly to appease Erdogan, who has already announced intent to slaughter the Kurds (and get Saudi's MBS out of the deep shit he is in).
I guess she didn't want to offend her buddies, including Assad (and Trump).
shanny
(6,709 posts)buh-bye
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)still put their necks out to ally with us. Clearly nearly everyone on this thread is more informed on their issues and our history with them than you.
It is YOU who needs some education along with your beloved Tulsi Gabbard.
Hassler
(3,379 posts)Understandable given the insightful criticism she received.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It came before the other one.
Cha
(297,305 posts)on her first tweet. They were telling her about the Kurds.. no wonder she woke up with this.
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Gabbard thinks she potus material.. she's not.
Celerity
(43,408 posts)Cha
(297,305 posts)Celerity
(43,408 posts)this?
Tulsi Gabbard
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@TulsiGabbard
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The hysterical reaction to the decision to withdraw troops from Syria is astonishing & shows just how attached to war some are. Lindsey Graham & others want us to continue our regime change war in Syria and to go to war with Iran. Thats why theyre so upset.
or was there another before that one?
thanks in advance
its all disjointed (at least in my brain atm! LOLOL)
Celerity
(43,408 posts)making it looked like the 2nd tweet was first and she woke up to pushback about not mentioning the Kurds so he did a cleanup tweet
that is the exact opposite of what happened
Gabbard in her FIRST tweet said EXACTLY what you are saying she got hammered for NOT saying
her FIRST tweet DID mention the Kurds
THIS was her first tweet and it immediately mentioned the Kurds
Link to tweet
THIS is her SECOND Tweet, that you claim was her FIRST
Link to tweet
there was no pushback about her not mentioning Kurds nor was there a 'cleanup tweet' that did
she was completely correct both in order of concern (mention Kurds at the very first chance on this)
and then her smackdown of that asshole Graham
I knew something didnt seem right
Cha
(297,305 posts)Celerity
(43,408 posts)I can tell time, lol
Are you going to dispute Twitter's own site? Do you think it was hacked and the timestamps switched? LOLOLOL
the first tweet by Gabbard, mentioning the Kurds straightaway was 15 and a half hours before the 2nd tweet, the one that you claimed generated all this 'pushback'
here is your post saying exactly that
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211579006#post14
Henry @Fdr1942 in that reply is disingenuously trying to imply that Gabbard should be mentioning the Kurds. The one problem is that she ALREADY did, 15 plus hours earlier
you even went further and used a tweet to Barbara Lee, that had nothing to do with Gabbard, and claimed that was pushback to Gabbard
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11579080
here is the tweet link itself showing that that was a Barbara Lee tweet, NOTHING to do with Gabbard
Link to tweet
I already showed that here as well https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211579006#post13
not only that, but that Barbara Lee tweet reply by Pseudonymou @PseudonymousRex
the one that you falsely claimed was pushback to Tulsi
was ITSELF Tweeted AFTER Gabbard's first tweet (you know the one, the one where she mentioned the Kurds right away)
Cha
(297,305 posts)Stop putting words in my mouth.
Celerity
(43,408 posts)Cha
(297,305 posts)a reply to Barbara Lee. You're just so busy trying to harass me you can't remember what was posted.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11579185
Celerity
(43,408 posts)to fob off as Tulsi getting pushback about not mentioning the Kurds, when she already HAD mentioned them, 15 and half hours earlier
there is no mention of Barbara Lee in either one by you
no Barabara Lee mention here
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11579185
no Barbara Lee mention here
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211579006#post3
And I am not at all harassing you, I am pointing out major inconsistencies in your postings and inferences in regards to those postings.
I also am not the one who goes into threads and posts the same exact reply (often with a tweet involved) over and over and over, up and down the thread stream.
Nope, that sure isn't me
Cha
(297,305 posts)Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Response to Devil Child (Reply #44)
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Celerity
(43,408 posts)Autumn
(45,106 posts)is really making the rounds.
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)Thank gawd she got the deserved backlash she got from her initial post, but your OP is white-washing her response which was as follows:
Link to tweet
Cha
(297,305 posts)from her orginal tweet she woke up.
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One of many.. Gabbard's not a leader.
The other crucial question is the status of the Kurdish areas Rojava. In my opinion, it makes sense for the United States to maintain a presence which would deter an attack on the Kurdish areas, he said.
http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/13cf816e-8e40-41c8-bb76-d453a3261d8b
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11578048
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The tweet in this OP came before the other one you posted.
Cha
(297,305 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)The ones who have been advocating for expanding the US military presence in Syria for years now and went bananas at the thought of pulling troops out instead.
Graham, in particular, laid out his "vision" for Syria - which involved 10,000 US troops on the ground there - during his 2016 campaign (and constantly berated Obama for not "projecting strength" by not doing so).
Cha
(297,305 posts)for scorn tweeting what she did.. no matter who she was calling "hysterical".
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Just like Bolton and the other neocons. That is the primary reason for his objection to pulling out troops from Syria. You will note that he went right back to being Trump's #1 fan - raving about how important it is that we vote for the border wall. Gabbard was rightly annoyed by the comments from Graham and the other neocons and responded accordingly. She reiterated in the very next tweet the point she had made in the previous tweet - that withdrawing the troops needed to be done in a coherent and coordinated fashion, unlike what Trump was doing - but she also stayed true to her strong belief that (contrary to the views of Graham and others) the troops should indeed be withdrawn.
Cha
(297,305 posts)Assad.. claiming he didn't gas his own people so I can see why there are those who don't trust her on foreign policy.
Tulsi Gabbard reveals she met Assad in Syria, without informing top Democrats
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Gabbard framed her sit-down meeting with Assad as part of a necessary dialogue in order to resolve the Syrian conflict. The war began after a series of pro-democracy protests in March 2011 were swiftly and brutally put down by the Assad regime. The war has since devolved into a brutal and complex war, fuelled by sectarian, political and international divisions.
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Gabbard said her trip to the region was born from the suffering of the Syrian people that has been weighing heavily on my heart.
But in 2015, she was one of just 47 Democrats who sided with Republicans and backed a GOP-sponsored measure that would essentially block Syrian and Iraqi refugees from resettling in the US. Gabbard was also a vocal critic of the Obama administration which repeatedly called for Assad to step down for arming Syrian rebel groups.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/26/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-al-assad-syria-democrats
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)This is her clean-up Tweet. Well done on the pushback.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)She devolved. Thanks for pointing that out. No way I would ever think that was the case. A true statement of her character.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)1. She called out Trump for his awful handling of the troop withdrawal - a withdrawal that she had advocated for in a sensible and coordinated fashion - as opposed to the horrible Trump approach.
2. Then she called out Graham and the neocons for going bananas at the idea of any troop withdrawal and for advocating for keeping troops there indefinitely - which she strongly opposes.
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I really think Gabbard responded to this correctly.
1. She supported withdrawing troops from Syria but said it was handled completely the wrong way by Trump.
2. She responded forcefully to the neocons who go bananas any time troop withdrawals anywhere are mentioned.
I was impressed with the way she both attacked Trump for his gross incompetence while staying true to her belief that we have to figure out a way to withdraw our troops from Syria.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Cha
(297,305 posts)snip//
Gabbard framed her sit-down meeting with Assad as part of a necessary dialogue in order to resolve the Syrian conflict. The war began after a series of pro-democracy protests in March 2011 were swiftly and brutally put down by the Assad regime. The war has since devolved into a brutal and complex war, fuelled by sectarian, political and international divisions.
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Gabbard said her trip to the region was born from the suffering of the Syrian people that has been weighing heavily on my heart.
But in 2015, she was one of just 47 Democrats who sided with Republicans and backed a GOP-sponsored measure that would essentially block Syrian and Iraqi refugees from resettling in the US. Gabbard was also a vocal critic of the Obama administration which repeatedly called for Assad to step down for arming Syrian rebel groups.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/26/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-al-assad-syria-democrats
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)consulting them is fine. But, someone as qualified and accomplished as Tulsi certainly doesn't need to subject herself to more man-splaining.
Cha
(297,305 posts)not effective.
Gabbard sticks up for Assad who brutally put down the pro-democracy protests.
Gabbard also voted with the gop to block Syrian and Iraqi refugees from resettling in the US after she stated she cared about them so much.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/26/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-al-assad-syria-democrats
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DarthDem
(5,255 posts). . . not the drawer's sharpest knife. Foreign policy is hard. She should stay out of it if she's not going to take the time to understand it. On the plus side, by wading into waters where she's not qualified to operate, she's making sure everyone knows she's not qualified for higher office (even though she might well be a U.S. Senator someday).
Cha
(297,305 posts)on the Senator thing. I hope Mazie lives a long long time!
DarthDem
(5,255 posts)I was just being realistic. I hope Mazie, who is fantastic, serves for another two terms. But Gabbard is only 37 and is sure to be eyeing that seat; she succeeded Hirono in the House and would very much like to do it again. Luckily, Schatz is 46 and hopefully isn't going anywhere for a long, long time.
Having Gabbard in the Senate would put Democrats in the silly position of having a noisy thorn (from *Hawaii*, no less) in the side of the caucus pretty much whenever it tried to do something liberal. We all deserve better.
Cha
(297,305 posts)It's just that I've thought of the same thing.. it occurred to me when I found out Mazie was healing from her surgery. thank Goodness she's a strong woman!
I love my Senator Schatz, too!
DarthDem
(5,255 posts). . . that you're from Hawaii! What a beautiful place.
Cha
(297,305 posts)and are you from Boston?
DarthDem
(5,255 posts)I was born thereabouts, though, and it molded me. Lifelong Red Sox fan - and things have been pretty good lately, that's for sure.
Los Angeleno now.
Cha
(297,305 posts)be a San Diegan for 15 years.
Down there for work all the time. There's a lot to like about San Diego.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)Syria, without consulting his generals or congress, was a terrible mistake?