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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:45 PM Dec 2018

Tulsi Gabbard: "We need to get our troops out of Syria ASAP, but it must be done responsibly."



"We need to get our troops out of Syria ASAP, but it must be done responsibly. Turkey will see this as an invitation to invade northern Syria, decimate our Kurdish allies, & strengthen jihadists like AQ/ISIS/etc, undermining our national security and causing more suffering."

Don't most DU-ers agree with these sentiments?
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Tulsi Gabbard: "We need to get our troops out of Syria ASAP, but it must be done responsibly." (Original Post) oberliner Dec 2018 OP
Probably. But some at least would rather spread false narratives shanny Dec 2018 #1
As you've been told by tons of us on the other thread, the issue is HOW we get out. Your suggestion hlthe2b Dec 2018 #6
You need to educate yourself regarding our treatment of our allies the Kurds. shanny Dec 2018 #8
Hardly, I am well aware of how the Iraqi Kurds have been treated and yet the Syrian Kurds hlthe2b Dec 2018 #9
This isn't what she said this morning. It reads like she's revised her earlier tweet. Hassler Dec 2018 #2
Exactly. Cha Dec 2018 #4
This tweet is from Thursday oberliner Dec 2018 #19
Gabbard got a hellava Lot of Pushback Cha Dec 2018 #3
that tweet is replying to Barbara Lee, I see no mention of Tulsi Gabbard at all Celerity Dec 2018 #13
Yes, I know.. about the Kurds. Cha Dec 2018 #14
is that the tweet the one that got her so much push back? Celerity Dec 2018 #17
Ahhhhhhh, now I know why you didnt reply ....you reversed the order Celerity Dec 2018 #35
Wrong.. you don't know anything about it.. Cha Dec 2018 #36
LOL I am not wrong, you are, the tweet order is right there on the Twitter website Celerity Dec 2018 #38
No, I didn't "claim" it was pushback to Gabbard.. Cha Dec 2018 #39
I didnt put any words in your mouth, you did that all by yourself Celerity Dec 2018 #40
Yes you did.. I already posted I knew it was Cha Dec 2018 #41
lol,you just sent me that same Gabbard tweet exchange again, you know the one you tried Celerity Dec 2018 #42
Please Stop harassing me. Cha Dec 2018 #43
Check mate! Devil Child Dec 2018 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Dec 2018 #46
so sorry for the mis-post, damn mobile phone is going my head in lolol Celerity Dec 2018 #47
I didn't notice that. Thanks for pointing that out. Claiming it was pushback Autumn Dec 2018 #51
Posted 8 hours after her first tweet below (and lots of backlash) that said NONE of this hlthe2b Dec 2018 #5
Yes, 8 hours later after she got major pushback Cha Dec 2018 #11
That's not true oberliner Dec 2018 #18
Then she had no business tweeting this one.. Cha Dec 2018 #20
She was responding to Lindsay Graham and his ilk oberliner Dec 2018 #22
She still opened herself up Cha Dec 2018 #24
Lindsay Graham wants war with Iran oberliner Dec 2018 #25
And, gabbard's always been about protecting Cha Dec 2018 #26
This is a display of holding a politicians feet to the fire. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #7
This tweet came before the other one oberliner Dec 2018 #16
That's awful then. Wow. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #50
She didn't "devolve" oberliner Dec 2018 #52
Once again, she scrambles to do damage control once she realizes she made herslf look bad. /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #10
This tweet came before the other one oberliner Dec 2018 #15
I stand corrected /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #21
No worries oberliner Dec 2018 #23
Tulsi has it right... showing, once again, that she's a strong, effective leader. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #45
No, Gabbard is Not "effective" or a leader.. Cha Dec 2018 #48
As long as the "top Democrats" you mention didn't vote for endless wars & wasteful defense spending InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #49
That's not the point.. that's not why she's Cha Dec 2018 #53
Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #12
Tulsi Gabbard Is . . . DarthDem Dec 2018 #27
I hope not.. Cha Dec 2018 #28
Oh, Goodness, Me Too DarthDem Dec 2018 #29
Oh I know.. Cha Dec 2018 #30
I Forgot, If I Ever Knew . . . DarthDem Dec 2018 #32
Yes, I am.. Cha Dec 2018 #34
I Am Not! Well, Not Now DarthDem Dec 2018 #54
Cool! I used to Cha Dec 2018 #55
Nice! DarthDem Dec 2018 #56
So then we all agree that Gump's decision to withdraw from John Fante Dec 2018 #31
Yes, thank you. Cha Dec 2018 #33
An agreeable statement to this DUer n/t Devil Child Dec 2018 #37
 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
1. Probably. But some at least would rather spread false narratives
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:51 PM
Dec 2018

about how much she doesn't understand the situation. Because saying we should never have gone in is apparently the same as saying now that we want to leave we should just throw everything up in the air and run out from underneath it.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
6. As you've been told by tons of us on the other thread, the issue is HOW we get out. Your suggestion
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 12:18 AM
Dec 2018

that she is being criticized only because she disagreed with the original deployment is very disingenuous, especially after it has been countered repeatedly...

She didn't even consider the repercussions of an abrupt pull-out. until countless twitter users called her on it.

Most of us are not ok with a massacre of our allies nor policy made on the fly to appease Erdogan, who has already announced intent to slaughter the Kurds (and get Saudi's MBS out of the deep shit he is in).

I guess she didn't want to offend her buddies, including Assad (and Trump).

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
9. Hardly, I am well aware of how the Iraqi Kurds have been treated and yet the Syrian Kurds
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 12:23 AM
Dec 2018

still put their necks out to ally with us. Clearly nearly everyone on this thread is more informed on their issues and our history with them than you.

It is YOU who needs some education along with your beloved Tulsi Gabbard.

Hassler

(3,379 posts)
2. This isn't what she said this morning. It reads like she's revised her earlier tweet.
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 12:05 AM
Dec 2018

Understandable given the insightful criticism she received.

Cha

(297,305 posts)
3. Gabbard got a hellava Lot of Pushback
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 12:13 AM
Dec 2018

on her first tweet. They were telling her about the Kurds.. no wonder she woke up with this.



Gabbard thinks she potus material.. she's not.

Celerity

(43,408 posts)
17. is that the tweet the one that got her so much push back?
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 01:03 AM
Dec 2018

this?

Tulsi Gabbard

@TulsiGabbard
· 12h
The hysterical reaction to the decision to withdraw troops from Syria is astonishing & shows just how attached to war some are. Lindsey Graham & others want us to continue our regime change war in Syria and to go to war with Iran. That’s why they’re so upset.

or was there another before that one?

thanks in advance

its all disjointed (at least in my brain atm! LOLOL)

Celerity

(43,408 posts)
35. Ahhhhhhh, now I know why you didnt reply ....you reversed the order
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 02:45 AM
Dec 2018

making it looked like the 2nd tweet was first and she woke up to pushback about not mentioning the Kurds so he did a cleanup tweet

that is the exact opposite of what happened

Gabbard in her FIRST tweet said EXACTLY what you are saying she got hammered for NOT saying

her FIRST tweet DID mention the Kurds







THIS was her first tweet and it immediately mentioned the Kurds






THIS is her SECOND Tweet, that you claim was her FIRST





there was no pushback about her not mentioning Kurds nor was there a 'cleanup tweet' that did

she was completely correct both in order of concern (mention Kurds at the very first chance on this)

and then her smackdown of that asshole Graham

I knew something didnt seem right

Celerity

(43,408 posts)
38. LOL I am not wrong, you are, the tweet order is right there on the Twitter website
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 03:31 AM
Dec 2018

I can tell time, lol

Are you going to dispute Twitter's own site? Do you think it was hacked and the timestamps switched? LOLOLOL



the first tweet by Gabbard, mentioning the Kurds straightaway was 15 and a half hours before the 2nd tweet, the one that you claimed generated all this 'pushback'

here is your post saying exactly that

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211579006#post14



Henry @Fdr1942 in that reply is disingenuously trying to imply that Gabbard should be mentioning the Kurds. The one problem is that she ALREADY did, 15 plus hours earlier



you even went further and used a tweet to Barbara Lee, that had nothing to do with Gabbard, and claimed that was pushback to Gabbard

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11579080



here is the tweet link itself showing that that was a Barbara Lee tweet, NOTHING to do with Gabbard




I already showed that here as well https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211579006#post13






not only that, but that Barbara Lee tweet reply by Pseudonymou @PseudonymousRex

the one that you falsely claimed was pushback to Tulsi

was ITSELF Tweeted AFTER Gabbard's first tweet (you know the one, the one where she mentioned the Kurds right away)

Cha

(297,305 posts)
41. Yes you did.. I already posted I knew it was
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 03:50 AM
Dec 2018

a reply to Barbara Lee. You're just so busy trying to harass me you can't remember what was posted.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11579185

Celerity

(43,408 posts)
42. lol,you just sent me that same Gabbard tweet exchange again, you know the one you tried
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 04:14 AM
Dec 2018

to fob off as Tulsi getting pushback about not mentioning the Kurds, when she already HAD mentioned them, 15 and half hours earlier

there is no mention of Barbara Lee in either one by you

no Barabara Lee mention here



https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11579185




no Barbara Lee mention here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211579006#post3




And I am not at all harassing you, I am pointing out major inconsistencies in your postings and inferences in regards to those postings.

I also am not the one who goes into threads and posts the same exact reply (often with a tweet involved) over and over and over, up and down the thread stream.

Nope, that sure isn't me

Response to Devil Child (Reply #44)

Autumn

(45,106 posts)
51. I didn't notice that. Thanks for pointing that out. Claiming it was pushback
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 10:36 AM
Dec 2018

is really making the rounds.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
5. Posted 8 hours after her first tweet below (and lots of backlash) that said NONE of this
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 12:14 AM
Dec 2018

Thank gawd she got the deserved backlash she got from her initial post, but your OP is white-washing her response which was as follows:





Cha

(297,305 posts)
11. Yes, 8 hours later after she got major pushback
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 12:33 AM
Dec 2018

from her orginal tweet she woke up.



One of many.. Gabbard's not a leader.

The US should stay in northern Syria to deter attacks against Syrian Kurds, well-known American linguist and political activist Noam Chomsky said in an interview with the Intercept last week.

“The other crucial question is the status of the Kurdish areas — Rojava. In my opinion, it makes sense for the United States to maintain a presence which would deter an attack on the Kurdish areas,” he said.

http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/13cf816e-8e40-41c8-bb76-d453a3261d8b

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11578048

Cha

(297,305 posts)
20. Then she had no business tweeting this one..
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 01:12 AM
Dec 2018

she opened herself up rightly to a whole slew of pushbacks.


 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
22. She was responding to Lindsay Graham and his ilk
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 01:18 AM
Dec 2018

The ones who have been advocating for expanding the US military presence in Syria for years now and went bananas at the thought of pulling troops out instead.

Graham, in particular, laid out his "vision" for Syria - which involved 10,000 US troops on the ground there - during his 2016 campaign (and constantly berated Obama for not "projecting strength" by not doing so).

Cha

(297,305 posts)
24. She still opened herself up
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 01:25 AM
Dec 2018

for scorn tweeting what she did.. no matter who she was calling "hysterical".

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
25. Lindsay Graham wants war with Iran
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 01:36 AM
Dec 2018

Just like Bolton and the other neocons. That is the primary reason for his objection to pulling out troops from Syria. You will note that he went right back to being Trump's #1 fan - raving about how important it is that we vote for the border wall. Gabbard was rightly annoyed by the comments from Graham and the other neocons and responded accordingly. She reiterated in the very next tweet the point she had made in the previous tweet - that withdrawing the troops needed to be done in a coherent and coordinated fashion, unlike what Trump was doing - but she also stayed true to her strong belief that (contrary to the views of Graham and others) the troops should indeed be withdrawn.

Cha

(297,305 posts)
26. And, gabbard's always been about protecting
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 01:56 AM
Dec 2018

Assad.. claiming he didn't gas his own people so I can see why there are those who don't trust her on foreign policy.

Tulsi Gabbard reveals she met Assad in Syria, without informing top Democrats

snip//

Gabbard framed her sit-down meeting with Assad as part of a necessary dialogue in order to resolve the Syrian conflict. The war began after a series of pro-democracy protests in March 2011 were swiftly and brutally put down by the Assad regime. The war has since devolved into a brutal and complex war, fuelled by sectarian, political and international divisions.

snip//

Gabbard said her trip to the region was born from “the suffering of the Syrian people that has been weighing heavily on my heart.”

But in 2015, she was one of just 47 Democrats who sided with Republicans and backed a GOP-sponsored measure that would essentially block Syrian and Iraqi refugees from resettling in the US. Gabbard was also a vocal critic of the Obama administration – which repeatedly called for Assad to step down – for arming Syrian rebel groups.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/26/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-al-assad-syria-democrats

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
7. This is a display of holding a politicians feet to the fire.
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 12:21 AM
Dec 2018

This is her clean-up Tweet. Well done on the pushback.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
50. That's awful then. Wow.
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 08:32 AM
Dec 2018

She devolved. Thanks for pointing that out. No way I would ever think that was the case. A true statement of her character.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
52. She didn't "devolve"
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 11:48 AM
Dec 2018

1. She called out Trump for his awful handling of the troop withdrawal - a withdrawal that she had advocated for in a sensible and coordinated fashion - as opposed to the horrible Trump approach.

2. Then she called out Graham and the neocons for going bananas at the idea of any troop withdrawal and for advocating for keeping troops there indefinitely - which she strongly opposes.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
23. No worries
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 01:22 AM
Dec 2018

I really think Gabbard responded to this correctly.

1. She supported withdrawing troops from Syria but said it was handled completely the wrong way by Trump.

2. She responded forcefully to the neocons who go bananas any time troop withdrawals anywhere are mentioned.

I was impressed with the way she both attacked Trump for his gross incompetence while staying true to her belief that we have to figure out a way to withdraw our troops from Syria.

Cha

(297,305 posts)
48. No, Gabbard is Not "effective" or a leader..
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 05:07 AM
Dec 2018
Tulsi Gabbard reveals she met Assad in Syria, without informing top Democrats

snip//

Gabbard framed her sit-down meeting with Assad as part of a necessary dialogue in order to resolve the Syrian conflict. The war began after a series of pro-democracy protests in March 2011 were swiftly and brutally put down by the Assad regime. The war has since devolved into a brutal and complex war, fuelled by sectarian, political and international divisions.

snip//

Gabbard said her trip to the region was born from “the suffering of the Syrian people that has been weighing heavily on my heart.”

But in 2015, she was one of just 47 Democrats who sided with Republicans and backed a GOP-sponsored measure that would essentially block Syrian and Iraqi refugees from resettling in the US. Gabbard was also a vocal critic of the Obama administration – which repeatedly called for Assad to step down – for arming Syrian rebel groups.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/26/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-al-assad-syria-democrats

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
49. As long as the "top Democrats" you mention didn't vote for endless wars & wasteful defense spending
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 08:23 AM
Dec 2018

consulting them is fine. But, someone as qualified and accomplished as Tulsi certainly doesn't need to subject herself to more man-splaining.

Cha

(297,305 posts)
53. That's not the point.. that's not why she's
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 03:36 PM
Dec 2018

not effective.

Gabbard sticks up for Assad who brutally put down the pro-democracy protests.

Gabbard also voted with the gop to block Syrian and Iraqi refugees from resettling in the US after she stated she cared about them so much.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/26/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-al-assad-syria-democrats


Response to oberliner (Original post)

DarthDem

(5,255 posts)
27. Tulsi Gabbard Is . . .
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 02:01 AM
Dec 2018

. . . not the drawer's sharpest knife. Foreign policy is hard. She should stay out of it if she's not going to take the time to understand it. On the plus side, by wading into waters where she's not qualified to operate, she's making sure everyone knows she's not qualified for higher office (even though she might well be a U.S. Senator someday).

DarthDem

(5,255 posts)
29. Oh, Goodness, Me Too
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 02:15 AM
Dec 2018

I was just being realistic. I hope Mazie, who is fantastic, serves for another two terms. But Gabbard is only 37 and is sure to be eyeing that seat; she succeeded Hirono in the House and would very much like to do it again. Luckily, Schatz is 46 and hopefully isn't going anywhere for a long, long time.

Having Gabbard in the Senate would put Democrats in the silly position of having a noisy thorn (from *Hawaii*, no less) in the side of the caucus pretty much whenever it tried to do something liberal. We all deserve better.

Cha

(297,305 posts)
30. Oh I know..
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 02:25 AM
Dec 2018

It's just that I've thought of the same thing.. it occurred to me when I found out Mazie was healing from her surgery. thank Goodness she's a strong woman!

I love my Senator Schatz, too!

DarthDem

(5,255 posts)
54. I Am Not! Well, Not Now
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 08:20 PM
Dec 2018

I was born thereabouts, though, and it molded me. Lifelong Red Sox fan - and things have been pretty good lately, that's for sure.

Los Angeleno now.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
31. So then we all agree that Gump's decision to withdraw from
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 02:33 AM
Dec 2018

Syria, without consulting his generals or congress, was a terrible mistake?

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