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ck4829

(35,090 posts)
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 08:35 AM Dec 2018

Republicans who have Democratic family members are upset they're not coming over for Christmas

It's nothing I deal with personally, it's just some anecdotes and stories I've heard and read... and I'm sure you've met the same.

It's funny though, you know? For the past couple years, maybe a little more, Democrats were all Satanists, sex slave owners who owned the slaves in pizzerias, wooed by crisis actors, Secret Muslims, Secret Communists, are all "SORE LOSERS WHO CAN'T GET OVER THAT WE WON! HAHAHA!" and were all going to be mass arrested as soon as QAnon gets the date right, and now Democrats are petty and can't put politics aside to come over for Christmas.

I'm not sure whether to laugh about it or bleach my brain.

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Republicans who have Democratic family members are upset they're not coming over for Christmas (Original Post) ck4829 Dec 2018 OP
I would suggest that you might try Harker Dec 2018 #1
I quit going to family and friend gatherings. Are_grits_groceries Dec 2018 #2
I am sorry it is lonely for you. I live in a blue state and I'm Squinch Dec 2018 #4
I believe I started something here with my recent post. shockey80 Dec 2018 #15
I quit associating with anyone UpInArms Dec 2018 #3
Frankly it's sad that things have degenerated to the point elocs Dec 2018 #5
A major problem, at least I think it is, is that this isn't over political views ck4829 Dec 2018 #8
It is generally believed, except for cynics, that Wallace's change was sincere. elocs Dec 2018 #14
Those who support evil Wrz Dec 2018 #6
Here's the problem... LuckyCharms Dec 2018 #7
Exactly ck4829 Dec 2018 #10
agreed The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #12
Trump represents something that is so reprehensible, ooky Dec 2018 #17
We don't plan to go to family Christmas for this reason. KentuckyWoman Dec 2018 #9
More people should think like you The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #16
I cut off anyone I knew who voted for trump The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #11
Well said. mnhtnbb Dec 2018 #13
My parents were always extreme in their "conservatism" because they were deurbano Dec 2018 #18
I only had one friend who supports Trump Downtown Hound Dec 2018 #19

Harker

(14,034 posts)
1. I would suggest that you might try
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 08:49 AM
Dec 2018

an irony-laden little chuckle for starters, and see where it leads.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
2. I quit going to family and friend gatherings.
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 09:24 AM
Dec 2018

Many are people that I grew up with and was very close to. Seeing them become dark shadows of their better selves has been eye-opening and painful.

I told them this was not a policy disagreement but a disagreement on fundamental human rights and on the very foundation of the ideas our country was built on. They will not hear what I say.

Unless they seriously change their views they are DTM. It is a lonely holiday.

Squinch

(51,004 posts)
4. I am sorry it is lonely for you. I live in a blue state and I'm
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 10:06 AM
Dec 2018

feeling real grief and confusion about the few relationships I have that are lost or damaged by Individual 1. I can't imagine how it would feel if it were many of my friends and relations.

Thinking of you, grits!

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
15. I believe I started something here with my recent post.
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 12:43 PM
Dec 2018

The truth about Trump voters. It's not about politics, it's about the survival of our country, our very lives. We are fighting a sickness.

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
3. I quit associating with anyone
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 09:56 AM
Dec 2018

Who voted for and continues to support the Orange shitstain

Am much happier ...

elocs

(22,598 posts)
5. Frankly it's sad that things have degenerated to the point
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 10:32 AM
Dec 2018

of alienating family members and friends from one another over political views. It's nothing to brag about or be proud of because even a man who was an avowed racist and role model for Trump like George Wallace became a changed man and was sorry for who he was and what he had done.

ck4829

(35,090 posts)
8. A major problem, at least I think it is, is that this isn't over political views
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 10:54 AM
Dec 2018

If this was over say what the sales tax should be or if we should put more money in schools, then this would be a completely different story.

What we call "politics" has gotten more personal, maybe it's some sort of Trump effect, maybe it's the rise of social media that lets us easily put things out there without filtering or thinking about saying it first, but either way we're seeing motives questioned, the concept of being a patriot denied, being called a not-"real American", being demonized or having their humanity questioned.

There's a world of difference between "You're a liberal or you're a conservative and you're incorrect but that's because here's source 1, source 2, and source 3 which refute what you are saying" and what we're seeing today which is "You're a liberal and that means you're automatically incorrect based on the sheer fact that you are indeed a liberal".

And George Wallace? He only changed his opinions because someone blew a hole in him and he couldn't blame black people or liberals for it.

elocs

(22,598 posts)
14. It is generally believed, except for cynics, that Wallace's change was sincere.
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 12:27 PM
Dec 2018

"African-Americans in Alabama granted him (Wallace) redemption. They voted for him in large numbers in his final runs for governor. After he died in 1998 at age 79, Representative John Lewis, an icon of the civil rights era, wrote in The Times that “George Wallace should be remembered for his capacity to change.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/01/us/george-wallace-tapped-into-racial-fear-decades-later-its-force-remains-potent.html

We are in the era of identity politics where being conservative or liberal is not simply your political views, it defines who you are at the core of your being. So a political attack or disagreement is taken as personal, an attack on you.

Wrz

(35 posts)
6. Those who support evil
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 10:40 AM
Dec 2018

Those who openly endorse evildoers are evil themselves in my book and I will not associate with such. And I believe the heap of trash known as 'trump' is unadulterated evil. IT has no redeeming qualities whatsoever and I will not knowingly associate with anyone who supports it.

Long before its entry into politics I knew it was trash. From the little clips I saw of its so-called 'reality' TV series I immediately recognized it as the scum it was and the years since have only made it worse.

I have never felt this way about anyone else that was living while I have lived. I strongly disliked Bush Jr and most of what he stood for but did not cut off contact with those who supported him.

I am grateful that my immediate family at least are all either left leaning independents or Democrats who can't stand trump. And my deceased side grandparents who were British were members of the Labour party so I assume they wouldn't like it either.

To partially quote from Game of Thrones regarding trump:

Some day its words will disappear
Its house (descendants) will disappear a la Henry VIII / House Tudor when Elizabeth I chose not to marry or have children (which I believe was a last 'up yours' to her father for how he treated her).
And it will just be a page in a history book. Another dark stain to teach about in Social Studies / History classes.

LuckyCharms

(17,457 posts)
7. Here's the problem...
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 10:48 AM
Dec 2018

It's not about "disagreements" or "petty political differences". It's about discovering that previously beloved family members are literally, actually, truly and without a doubt...stupid, ignorant, hateful racist pricks.

I'm not going to try to figure out why, I'm not going to try to find common ground, I'm not going to try to understand, I'm not putting "family" over my core beliefs. I'm walking away.

My family is who I choose it to be.

ck4829

(35,090 posts)
10. Exactly
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 11:25 AM
Dec 2018

A disagreement is "I think a tax should be 7%, not 9%", what color the curtains should be, or what movie you should go to. Those are healthy and constructive disagreements that actually reinforce the fact that we are still of a shared community at the end of the day.

When it becomes doing something stupid to "own the libs" or when one says "Who cares if Roy Moore is a sex offender, we just need less Democrats in the Senate", it's not a mere disagreement, it's "othering". People are living in a fantasy world if they think this is not going to have consequences, it seems comical to hear "Sure, you Democrats are all satanists who run sex colonies on Mars... but when are you coming over for the holidays, er, I mean MERRY CHRISTMAS?", but this is where we are.

ooky

(8,928 posts)
17. Trump represents something that is so reprehensible,
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 01:45 PM
Dec 2018

so vile, I lost respect for anyone who would embrace that. Fortunately I only knew one person like that, who I now totally ignore, and none of my blood relatives thank goodness.

KentuckyWoman

(6,692 posts)
9. We don't plan to go to family Christmas for this reason.
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 11:00 AM
Dec 2018

I'm down to my brother and his family and a couple of them are married to blowhards. My husband and I decided this year we'll volunteer at a local shelter.... time better spent and the company will be better.

The Liberal Lion

(1,414 posts)
16. More people should think like you
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 01:13 PM
Dec 2018

times are going to get very tough. We need to build communities of care to take care of those who won't be able to take care of themselves as the shit continues to hit the fan. I applaud your actions and hope you keep it up.

The Liberal Lion

(1,414 posts)
11. I cut off anyone I knew who voted for trump
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 11:27 AM
Dec 2018

I have people who work for me that voted for trump and if I could fire them I would.
You see, this is the way I see it: These people did not vote for conservatism. I can tolerate conservatism as it's just as American as liberalism. I may not agree with a conservative but I don't hate them for being a conservative. No, people who voted for trump voted for authoritarianism (trump told them), voted for racism (trump told them), voted for discrimination and repression (trump told them) and voted for a police state (trump told them). None of what trump stood for during the election represented any kind of typically conservative idea.
This then led me to the understanding: These are not conservatives, these are my enemies.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
18. My parents were always extreme in their "conservatism" because they were
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 02:22 PM
Dec 2018

racist Dixiecrats who became Republicans when Democrats stopped folding on civil rights. Like others of their ilk, they justified this switch as opposition to big "government" (specifically, federal), even though these same defectors (or their parents and grandparents) had LOVED FDR, the ultimate big government president.

But forgetting their bogus justifications and hypocrisy, in the beginning they only seemed to hate Democratic leaders, like Kennedy, LBJ and Carter. It wasn't until Limbaugh and Gingrich came along and started making everyday Democrats the face of the "enemy" in the cultural wars (while referring to our party as the "Democrat" Party), that their hatred for all Democrats/all liberals seemed to go off the rails. (My parents were the more hard core types to start with, so it probably took others a bit more time and more help from Fox and other "news" sources, as they blanketed the airwaves with their toxic product.)

I started noticing my mother dividing everyone up by party, even when recounting non-partisan activities, like going on a cruise. She was so excited to meet Republicans, especially if they were from the South, even though she left MS at 25 and has lived in CA for the last 63 years. And this huge grammar Nazi--who would complain both in-person and by mail, if (for example) a sign in a store incorrectly identified writing paper as "stationary"-- began using the now ubiquitous "Democrat" Party to refer to those who had seemingly become her mortal enemies... and she always felt compelled to tell people that she loved my family in spite of the fact that we are Democrats and from San Francisco.

My dad died in 2003 and I only have one sibling, a younger sister, who is in some ways worse than my mother. The first time I met her husband he was wearing a t-shirt with an arrow in one direction pointing to "Prosperity" and an arrow in the opposite direction pointing to "Clinton" (Bill), and he was just as much of an ignorant jackass as his shirt implied. They were in their twenties at the time, and actually got tickets to see Limbaugh's (brief!) TV show. I couldn't believe anyone that young would fall for his shtick. My sister and BIL loved that vile thing occupying the White House from the beginning, probably because they are also amoral, racist grifters with tacky taste who aspire to be rich (by any means necessary). Their lavish lifestyle has been subsidized by both sets of parents, even though my mother can't afford it. Basically, my mother has to "pay to play" by funding their vacations, restaurant meals (they eat out most nights) and even a beach home, in order to spend time with a family she says treats her like crap and is always screaming at each other (two of my teen nieces got in a physical fight w/ each other at Disneyland!), with grandchildren who swear at her (etc.!)... but their FB pix w/Nana are adorbs! It's all illusion, but she prefers their company to ours--even though we have never asked for money and my children treat her with respect--because she'd rather hang out with people with whom she feels comfortable expressing vile beliefs. (And even though she initially loathed our current *president, and said she'd never vote for him, she ended up attending his inauguration with my sister and BIL...and I'm sure she paid for all of them for that pleasure.)

When my sister started trashing the students at Cal (the university my daughter and I attended) over their response to the pedophile-promoting Milo, calling Cal students "snowflakes" and saying she'd never want her daughters to go that horrible school (as if they could get in!)... and after other vile stuff she said... I dropped them from my life. It wasn't just that... but that I had overlooked so much before that, just so my kids could have a relationship with cousins who had become increasingly like their obnoxious parents, and so we could all be a family. But my husband and I were the ones who put in ALL the effort and money, while my sister was treated by both my parents like some kind of princess who shouldn't have to pay or work for anything. Still, I put up with all of them, and was in fact the family mediator who tried to get everyone to get along, after the millions of times my mother vowed to never speak to them after they insulted her yet again. My sister, on the other hand, has seemed eager to have me disappear because, as far as I can tell, she only sees my mom as a source of funding, and without me, she can squeeze more out of my mom now, and inherit it all later. In fact, I spent years tying to get my mom to refrain from "investing" in their vacation home (she lives 3000 miles away from them)... but as soon as I was out of the picture for a few months (after the election), they pressured her into funding it. I have minimal contact with my mom now, but check in now and then... and still send flowers and presents for birthdays, Christmas and other occasions... but while grifters gotta grift and haters gotta hate, I don't have to personally witness it anymore.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
19. I only had one friend who supports Trump
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 02:57 PM
Dec 2018

And I completely shut him out of my life. He spent the early days of his presidency bashing all "libtards," gloating about Trump's victory, and calling out what he believed to be leftist hypocrisy or violence on facebook, while ignoring the countless incidents of it on the right. The final straw for me was when he started posting articles by Milo Yinnapolis. I told him that while I always knew he was a bit of an idiot, I draw a hard line at anybody who promotes or supports the alt right. Cross that line, and you bounce yourself right off my friend list.

He has repeatedly reached out to me and met only silence on my end, even at one point getting mad at me and saying I don't give a shit about him. But I haven't budged and am not going to. I can even sense him starting to weaken in his support of Trump. The only thing that keeps him on board is that in the last 10 years he discovered the joys of guns, and has become a had core gun fetishist. When we were younger he was one of the most anti-gun people I knew, even more than I was. I've always considered myself okay with owning guns but favoring restrictions on who can own them and the level of firepower allowed. But he went from favoring an outright ban to being the biggest gun humper I know. That more than anything steered him on the path to the dark side. The last time I was at his house he had a big INFOWARS sticker on his dresser in his bedroom.

He is now dead to me, not so much because of the guns but because I don't forgive anybody who supports the alt right. That's a line that once you cross, you can never fully come back from. Even if he did change his mind and renounce them, I just can never look at him the same way again, especially since I'm now in an interracial marriage. I can forgive a lot in people, but embracing that religion of hate and racism is not one of them. He'll never be my friend again.

And the ironic thing is, in spite of all his hatred towards "libtards", he misses me way more than I miss him. He's angry that I've rejected him. Tough shit, bro. Think before you speak and act next time, former friend. The real world is full of consequences. And there are consequences for embracing and promoting hate.


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