can show his ass in every way possible and be president?

I was so behind Dean and couldn't believe how he got railroaded by the press. Unfreakingbelievable. The guy had everything, but that amplified yee haw did him in... If he only would have grabbed a pussy he might have been our president...

If he hadn't yelled on stage, the story would have been "Howard Dean's mediocre third place finish in Iowa puts his chances in New Hampshire at risk".....which is what happened.

I never heard a cross word spoken about either candidate.
When the primary was over, there was a general consensus of suspicion
that some higher ups in the party had been working to hobble Dean's campaign.
If I recall correctly, I believe it was related to some internal party opposition to Dean's 50 state strategy, and their feeling that Dean was 'too far left'.

But everyone in the group still ended up pulling together for Kerry in the general.

...that was a concept he came up with as DNC Chair for 2006.

Somebody or sombodies whomped that up.

If want to understand what happened (which had nothing to do with evil plotting), listen to the following...

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-the-dean-scream-sounded-so-different-on-tv/

...and to reiterate, the "scream" had no impact on Dean's already poor electoral performance.

That is what I have seen them do my entire life...that is, until an independent from Vermont entered the mix. I still see people arguing about things that should have been put behind us long ago.

It is time to fight 45, and to get rid of some of the more obnoxious members of the Senate.

I'm sorry but there is no evidence of "some higher ups in the party had been working to hobble Dean's campaign".

There is a "consensus of suspicion" that Bigfoot exists too, but no real evidence.

Kerry and Edwards both came from nowhere.

The media ate him alive like Russian bots ate Clinton.

After he said, in interview in Canada, that media monopolies should be broken up, the media went after him mercilessly.

Many did not see that interview but I connected the dots immediately. The media went from "He's a star" to "He's bad".

It was obvious.

Corporate media must be broken up.

That was the end of the positive Big Media coverage, for the most part. You're right, it was very obvious. Until then they were pretty positive about him.

Dean was leading the pack until suddenly he wasn't and two come-from-nowhere candidates came in 1st and 2nd.

I find that to be an unexpected outcome.

I find that to be an expected outcome.

I'm just saying that if you could have predicted Kerry and Edwards coming in 1st and 2nd, you would have made a lot of money in Vegas.

I want to see the campaigns in the real world, not make guesses from afar.

And bring back the Fairness Doctrine

BS acolytes started attacking Beto at The Gathering-November 20th-December 1st.

Democrats(you know The Democratic Party Democrats that are part of the new Democratic House Majority Brilliant Blue Wave) are pushing back against the attacks coming from Sanders.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11596807

NT

Sorry, just couldn't help it.

Even in his mass email sent out yesterday, where he claimed "Right now, a group of Wall Street Democrats known as the Third Way is running ads in early primary states — Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada", he didn't give a single specific thing about those ads.

A google search of "third way ads Iowa" yielded zero hits.

Unless more progressive policies is something you are against.

By waiting, he got Hillary to accept a slightly more liberal agenda.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/11/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-democratic-platform-negotiations

“We have made enormous strides,” said Sanders in a statement issued after a meeting in Orlando that swung the party in his direction on the minimum wage, climate change and marijuana though failed to make headway on fracking and trade.

“Thanks to the millions of people across the country who got involved in the political process – many for the first time – we now have the most progressive platform in the history of the Democratic party,” he said.



Those few concessions were important to get to many of us here. And Hillary bending to those, did nothing towards her "losing". No Hillary voter suddenly decided that, while they believed in her and rejected the fake news about her, and were all set to vote for her, but then she moved slightly to the left on the minimum wages, climate change, and pot, and decided she wasn't worth their vote anymore. That is preposterous.

I really really hope that "better then trump" is not our main criteria for a nominee.

But reasonable discourse on who will be the best all around candidate, my main criteria is that whoever is our nominee be able to beat whoever the rethugs field... I seriously doubt it will be trump ...

yet here we are.

What goes around, comes around.

by a certain group is coming no matter what, no matter what.

now, we could have anticipated it and taken power away from it had we been TALKING about it all along...

By his thing I mean be a good Democrat, keep us together.

an amazingly deep field of exceptionally talented candidates we've ever had in my memory gets the chance to kick cheetolini's ass. The search to find "the one" who can beat the GOP alternative ought at least wait until it looks like there might be one.

Bickering for two years over a POTUS candidate is counter productive and plays into the GOP's hands.

I supported Bernie during the primaries and Hillary for president.

If some of us are suggesting that their favorite Democratic nominee should be immediately appointed without a discussion within the party, then we've lost the reason to have parties and nominations. The appointee just becomes whatever the "committee" anoints.

Given the destruction (self-imposed) of the repuglicons I think a new party may arise with some of the moderates. I'm not sure how this will play out with the Democratic Big Tent that only accept purists.

Me: "Well what crimes did Hillary commit?"

Bob: " --------."

Me: "So you don't know of any but you parrot the Fox talking point."

Bob: "Well, she failed defending the people at Bengazi."

Me: "l remind you, the Republican controlled Congress refused state department budget requests for increased funds to improve security."

Bob: "Well, she could have done somethin'."

------ and so it goes.

Since he is a vessel for people that want to divide Democrats and he will lose anyway

And no third way BS either

finish ruining the country.

in their own league of excellence.

Lots of good Democrats out there. We don't need a non Democrat running in out Party again.

On the other hand, the irrational force of a trendy narrative often buries critical thought in four feet if mud; hence the popularity of bumper stickers, truck nutz and your question.

Keep on truckin!!!

“If Sanders is better than Trump then I am out”

“If Sanders is better than Trump then I am out”.

Your words.

Imagine if someone had said, “If Clinton is better than Trump then I am out”.

I'm really happy with some of the names being thrown out and am excited to see who actually enters. Manchin is better than Trump.

I 'really really' hope you realize it was an applause line.

He needs to stop calling good Democrats like Beto, Biden and others "third way." I am sick of shit like that and sick of him.

better than this.

Bernie bots are out there along with their Russian bot counterparts already on their search and destroy mission.

Right? He's pointing the finger at both poles. Then there are plenty somewhere in between who are in agreement with him that both poles need to stop repelling one another. Opposite poles should be attracting, not repelling.

NT

But what if they did say stuff ...is it not so that Sen. Sanders supporters have called Beto to 'conservative'. It goes both ways people.

NT

Sorry, I had two threads mixed up.

Here is my OP with links on the bottom:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211597935

a crop of conservative judges, chaos in the country, children dying at the border, racism unleashed, and a crime family in the White House, it might be debatable.

My apologies for the misunderstanding.

We're cool. And what you said, 100%.

The sarcasm emoticon might have been a better fit. I think we're all on our last nerve these days. Peace!

And no, BS will not be our nominee. Tax returns for one, non membership in the party for another.

Beto is third way. There is simply no doubt about it. I personally don't think it is the worst thing. I don't think it is the worst thing because he can also rightfully be defined as a progressive. He is a solid spokesperson for the left.

https://newdemocratcoalition-himes.house.gov/members

I think you are right in your main contention that many who like Beto are simply standing up for him, not attacking Sanders. The attacks were clearly initiated by those with close ties to or putting forth the image they are in Sanders corner.

what? They have a say in the big tent...I have see the stuff attacking Beto from supposed Bernie supporters (or maybe Russians?) but I have see no third way way attacks. I googled and all.

He's getting a virtual middle finger salute.

Beto equals Third Way.

That is a fact that can be confirmed here.

https://newdemocratcoalition-himes.house.gov/members

Sanders is "some of the more leftist elements".

That is known.

This is a battle worth having. I don't know why people are so scared of an "internal" squabble for the direction and tactics of the party.

Sanders needs to join the party to make it a righteous fight.

He's proven it again and again.

that does nothing of the sort.

Welcome to DU. Take this divisive shit somewhere else.

I feel very comfortable here and don't know why you think I should go elsewhere.

The New Democrat Coalition meets the overall concept of the term "Third Way". It pretty simple. I was in no way aggressive, demanding, or divisive as you were in your post.

I have been at DU for a couple of months and even had replies from you. Thank you for the late welcome.

It’s kind of weird.

That concept can then be applied to certain entities. It's a simple descriptor. We often use them to encompass larger concepts. I don't have an issue with that. I also don't think of it as negative or positive. I'm a bit surprised at the attack I got above when it comes to The New Democrats. It meets the standard understanding of the Third Way. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't find it alone to be negative or positive. It depends on the audience. I just can't get worked up over it.

and many of their policies suck. If you plan on relying on Social Security someday, you better start getting worked up.

Third Way
1025 Connecticut Ave. NW, Suite 400
Washington, DC 20036

Closest Metro: Farragut North Metro

thirdway.org

But the concept behind the “ideology” is much broader. If you are limiting to that then we should all agree it’s an insignificant boogeyman.

So, no, we all should not agree that it's an "insignifcant bogeyman," whether a broad ideology or bricks and mortar on Connecticut Avenue.

As soon as I saw Dean had mentioned it I knew someone in the thread would deny it exists. And sure enough they did. Even though it's a completely real thing and they have been doing exactly what Dean says. All of which is easily verifiable by just looking at twitter.


But the reason they do it is to limit debate. If there's no Third Way you can't talk about anything they do. Like, they'll talk all day long about attacks from so called 'Bernie world' but if you say 'well how come Third Way is...' it's " shut up! Sop being so divisive! what is this, the '90s or something? there is no such thing as third way!"

meanwhile, over in the real world someone has forgotten to tell Third Way they're fake

Link to tweet

...“entitlements”

That means “cut your social security” in English.

Dean is right -- both Bernie and Beto are better than Dirty Don!

can be a spoiler again, if he so chooses.

Go ahead with the standard boilerplate accusation.


Sorry, Howard

I absolutely WILL vote for him in the General if he wins the Democratic Party nomination, to do anything else is fucking insane.

I can’t see Bernie getting the Dem nomination. And I was huge for Bernie.

I didn’t realize then that Russia was helping him out. Also, I think he has a partially loose screw.

But his message was the right one. We now have many qualified Dems that are closely aligned with that message . Quite frankly, we just don’t need him or his quirkiness.

A lot of his hype (which I bought completely) was Russia generated.

I liked Bernie. But I’m glad he didn’t get the nomination and I think his time has passed.

The only thing I’m sure about 2016 is “we was robbed” and Hillary Clinton was elected president.

Or some one with same qualities.

Link to tweet

Enough with the "Third Way" talk. Beto is a Democrat. Period.

Although I have issues with Bernie not releasing his taxes. A deal-killer if he doesn't. Soon, like NOW. Has Beto?

And Sanders is not. Nuff said!

Let's not have a repeat of 2016. No circular firing squads. It isn't necessary to demonize a Democratic candidate. The Republicans will have your back on that for sure. Keep calm and don't buy into the infighting stuff

I didn't see him defend Kamala Harris when left elements/berners/bots online called her a whore, a cop, and everything else. She could be our nominee.