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DonViejo

(60,536 posts) Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:32 PM Dec 2018

Shutdown Day 7: Trump Reportedly Slashes Border Wall Funding Demand in Half, Dems Won't Budge

Shutdown Day 7: Trump Reportedly Slashes Border Wall Funding Demand in Half, Dems Won’t Budge

by Joe DePaolo | Dec 28th, 2018, 11:48 am

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According to a report from Fox News, President Donald Trump has come off of his demand for a $5 billion budget allocation for a Southern border wall. Instead, he is asking Democrats for $2.5 billion.

Democrats, reportedly, are holding the line at zero.

“We put the last offer on the table,” acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney told reporters outside the White House Friday morning. “In a negotiation…you don’t make an offer, and then make another offer, and another offer. We made an offer last Saturday night, and they told us they’d get back to us by the end of the week. They got back to us last night and said, ‘We’re leaving.'”

Drew Hammill, the deputy Chief of Staff for House Speaker Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), said Democrats are holding firm on their stance not to fund the wall.

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https://www.mediaite.com/online/shutdown-day-7-trump-reportedly-slashes-border-wall-funding-demand-in-half-dems-wont-budge/

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Shutdown Day 7: Trump Reportedly Slashes Border Wall Funding Demand in Half, Dems Won't Budge (Original Post) DonViejo Dec 2018 OP

Trump will not win this fight. Just a Weirdo Dec 2018 #1

The White House is starting to cave... bearsfootball516 Dec 2018 #2

And we sure as hell better not cave! nt Laffy Kat Dec 2018 #3

Trump's problem... ooky Dec 2018 #4

Shitty negotiator is right marylandblue Dec 2018 #9

Yup. He's ignoring two key fundamentals of negotiation. ooky Dec 2018 #10

He has approximately two negotiating tricks gratuitous Dec 2018 #13

I have rarely seem Democrats with this much fortitude. Goodheart Dec 2018 #5

The Democrats should offer to match any funds provided by the Mexican government YessirAtsaFact Dec 2018 #6

Chumpolini will end up settling for a discount on a Big Mac at McDonalds. Hassler Dec 2018 #7

Remind him how he promised that Mexico would pay for the wall, and so there will be no negotiations The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #8

Deal, NO DEAL. The game has changed. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #11

We are playing poker Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2018 #12

ANd Trump is playing Crazy whistler162 Dec 2018 #14

Just a Weirdo

(488 posts)

1. Trump will not win this fight.

Reply to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:35 PM

Dec 2018

I can see him whining a lot. He had to cancel his NYE plans (boo-hoo, fuck you and your profits) for Mar-A-Fucko.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)

2. The White House is starting to cave...

Reply to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:41 PM

Dec 2018

They know the PR backlash they're getting right now is ugly. Trump's approval is dropping and disapproval is rising since this started.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Laffy Kat

(16,382 posts)

3. And we sure as hell better not cave! nt

Reply to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:41 PM

Dec 2018

ooky

(8,923 posts)

4. Trump's problem...

Reply to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:49 PM

Dec 2018

He is a shitty negotiator. He was going to cave to the original bill that both democrats and republicans approved, and then lie to his base about it being a win. But before he could do it Coulter anticipated the lie was coming and called bullshit on Trump instead. So now he needs something more that Coulter won't shoot down first. He won't get that from the democrats.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)

9. Shitty negotiator is right

Reply to ooky (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:31 PM

Dec 2018

He doesn't seem to understand "The Art of the Deal," at all. Instead of demanding pennies for the wall like an aggressive panhandler, he should offer up something the Democrats want. It doesn't even occur to him to do that.

ooky

(8,923 posts)

10. Yup. He's ignoring two key fundamentals of negotiation.

Reply to marylandblue (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:39 PM

Dec 2018

One, to your point, he's trying to get something while offering nothing. Secondly, he's attempting to negotiate with zero leverage.

He has become so accustomed to lying and cheating and strong arming he really doesn't have a clue what real negotiating entails.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)

13. He has approximately two negotiating tricks

Reply to ooky (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:33 PM

Dec 2018

Make intransigent demands until he wears down the other side, then when they agree to his demands, back away and make further demands. The problem with that strategy is that once the other side has seen that trick, they don't "negotiate" so much anymore, and they insist that all demands be reduced to writing so there isn't any wiggle room.

Trump's second trick is to just leave off and go contract with someone else. The problem with that is (obviously) that there isn't another Congress in the next block or the next town to treat with. As president, he's got one and only one group to work with.