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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 10:29 AM Aug 2012

WTF?

Cutter: Biden’s ‘Chains’ Remark Has Become Distraction

After the Boston Globe's editorial page called on Vice President Biden to apologize for his endlessly looped "put you back chains" remark Friday, a top spokesperson for the Obama campaign said the battle had become "a distraction."

"Speaker Boehner and even Paul Ryan have been traveling this country talking about the need to 'unshackle the private sector', to 'unshakle the financial industry'," Cutter said. "The vice president was just taking that metaphor a step further and talking about wanting to put other people in shackles and the word that he used, chains, is a distraction from the larger argument."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/cutter-bidens-chains-remark-has-become-distraction

Fuck the Boston Globe!

Here's an editorial waiting to be written:

Mitt Romney Is Stuck in the Racist Sewer of Our Politics
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/mitt-romney-racist-ad-11644866#ixzz240DWSQ2K

Know your haters: The Values Voter Summit dancecard
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021159963

Romney: Chains Didn't Bother Me When I Chained My Dog To The Roof of My Car
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021139549

Fuck 'em for taking a comment out of context and blowing it up out of proportion.



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WTF? (Original Post) ProSense Aug 2012 OP
Hypocrites! Strega Ribiera Aug 2012 #1
Santorum today: ProSense Aug 2012 #2
Thank you for the welcome :) Strega Ribiera Aug 2012 #6
Can someone explain to me like a 10 YO why this "chains" comment upsets people? Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2012 #3
False equivalency ProSense Aug 2012 #5
I get *why* the RW's doing it and the MSMcomplicity but *what* are they suggesting Biden was saying? Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2012 #8
They're claiming ProSense Aug 2012 #9
Just following their decided strategy of "throw all the shit russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #4
Given some Democrats' ProSense Aug 2012 #11
I agree.... russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #12
And why aren't people just rolling their eyes? siligut Aug 2012 #15
Since the Globe outed Rmoney's tax and residency woes BumRushDaShow Aug 2012 #7
That's exactly what this is. n/t ProSense Aug 2012 #10
EXACTLY..... russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #13
Biden was wrong... the Republibaggers don't want to put black Americans in chains... Bigmack Aug 2012 #14
The G0Pee was pretty quiet when Jamaal510 Aug 2012 #16
CNN: State of the Union - Santorum interview Peaceful Protester Aug 2012 #17
excellent post BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2012 #18
Totally agree! Also wish I could rec this post! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2012 #20
How many Republicans voted YES on the Medicare Act of 1965? Peaceful Protester Aug 2012 #19

Strega Ribiera

(46 posts)
1. Hypocrites!
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 10:34 AM
Aug 2012

Rick Santorum invoked chains last summer to warned Iowa voters that health care reform would lull citizens into government dependency. “They will put you in chains called ‘Obamacare,’ and you will never break away,” Santorum said.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/romney-biden-obama-chains.php

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
2. Santorum today:
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 10:37 AM
Aug 2012
Santorum: Biden Played The ‘Race Card,’ Said ‘Y’all’
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/santorum-biden-played-race-card-said-yall

Thanks for the link, and welcome.

On edit, this pure projection from Mitt and Republicans, and it's despicable that the Boston Globe is playing along.

Strega Ribiera

(46 posts)
6. Thank you for the welcome :)
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 11:06 AM
Aug 2012

I've been tweeting and posting Santorum's remark like crazy. It really pisses me off that Joe Biden's comment is such a big deal to some. What he said was true. Deregulation will lead to economic slavery. I really think THAT's why the GOP is so incensed over Biden's comment. He told the truth! The GOP hates regulations.

http://hg.scimth.net/2012/05/15/gop-assault-economy-continues/

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,841 posts)
3. Can someone explain to me like a 10 YO why this "chains" comment upsets people?
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 10:51 AM
Aug 2012

Every guess I've rolled around in my head just feels like a ridiculous stretch.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
5. False equivalency
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 11:03 AM
Aug 2012
Can someone explain to me like a 10 YO why this "chains" comment upsets people?

Every guess I've rolled around in my head just feels like a ridiculous stretch.

The news organizations are desperate to continue the "both sides do it" distortion. As Mitt and Republicans become more unhinged, the media must find something to pin on the Obama campaign, even if it means stretching a comment out of context.

The factchecking organizations are a complete failure. Think I'm making this up?

Look at Factcheck.org and consider all the lies Mitt and team have told in recent days. The last report is:

Outdated Attacks on Ryan
http://www.factcheck.org/

"Outdated"? Evidently, there is a statute of limitations on calling out Ryan's lies.

PolitiFact sets its own pants on fire for Paul Ryan
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/17/1121283/-PolitiFact-sets-its-own-pants-on-fire-for-Paul-Ryan


Gidney N Cloyd

(19,841 posts)
8. I get *why* the RW's doing it and the MSMcomplicity but *what* are they suggesting Biden was saying?
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 11:15 AM
Aug 2012

Even MHP was calling it a gaffe on her show yesterday but no one comes right out and says what Biden's chains comment supposedly was alluding to.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
9. They're claiming
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 11:20 AM
Aug 2012

"I get *why* the RW's doing it and the MSMcomplicity but *what* are they suggesting Biden was saying?"

...it's race baiting, which is why they're distorting it and taking it out of context.

Gaffe = anything the GOP/media shills can take out of context and distort.

I mean, by that definition, the President's comment "build that" comment is a gaffe.

This is total made up bullshit.

russspeakeasy

(6,539 posts)
4. Just following their decided strategy of "throw all the shit
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 10:59 AM
Aug 2012

you can against the wall and hope some of it sticks."
Anyone that thinks this is a distraction, has the attention span of a goldfish.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
11. Given some Democrats'
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 11:37 AM
Aug 2012

"Just following their decided strategy of "throw all the shit"

...inability to just call bullshit what it is, Republicans will continue this practice.

O’Malley: Biden’s Chains Remark ‘Indelicate’

Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley (D). a top surrogate for the Obama campaign, told Meet The Press Sunday that Vice President Biden's "put y'all back in chains" remark was delivered poorly.

"I think it was an idelicate play on the Republican words of 'shackling' the economy with regulations and 'shackling small businesses,'" O'Malley said. "And so it was indelicate choice of words."

O'Malley said Biden didn't mean anything racial by the remarks, which were called "playing the race card" by Rick Santorum on CNN.

"There's not a racist bone in Joe Biden's body," O'Malley...said the welfare attacks coming from the Romney campaign are "far more out of line than the indelicate choice of words by the vice presdient."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/omalley-bidens-chains-remark-indelicate

If it didn't mean what they're saying, then don't explain it on their terms. They know exactly what he meant. Well, at least he got in a comment on Mitt's racist ad campaign.

What I don't understand is why O'Malley just didn't tell them this is nonsense. It's not like he doesn't know the GOP MO.

O’Malley: GOP Likes Mandates When They’re ‘Transvaginal Probes For Women’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002877746

BumRushDaShow

(129,118 posts)
7. Since the Globe outed Rmoney's tax and residency woes
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 11:14 AM
Aug 2012

they had to try tack back to appear "unbiased" (even if it means using RW talking points).



 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
14. Biden was wrong... the Republibaggers don't want to put black Americans in chains...
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 12:00 PM
Aug 2012

... they just want them out of the voting booth and into the back of the bus.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
16. The G0Pee was pretty quiet when
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 01:10 PM
Aug 2012

Rush Limbo came out with his "Barack the Magic Negro" song, and when Herman Cain called us "brainwashed and closed-minded" for mostly voting Democratic.
I think Republicans should be among the last people to accuse somebody else of being racist.

Peaceful Protester

(280 posts)
17. CNN: State of the Union - Santorum interview
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:49 PM
Aug 2012

Last edited Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:30 PM - Edit history (7)

I caught part of the Santorum interview where he says the Obama campaign is:

1) Divisive and Hateful

2) Stealing from Medicare

3) Using the Race Card to attack Wall Street

Analysis: Santorum is making these claims because these are the Obama campaign's strong points.

1) People of color support Obama

2) Medicare is a Democratic program

3) Glass-Steagall was a Democratic idea

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1) Divisive and Hateful?

Political campaigns have always been contentious.

The Mormon church has a long history of discrimination of both blacks and gays. In the 1970s, Mitt Romney was a bishop in the Mormon church. Mormon church doctrine describes the church as being led by a prophet. For 130 years (1848-1978), the Mormon Church taught that all blacks were cursed and were not allowed to become full members or to hold positions of power. The NAACP filed a federal lawsuit in 1974 challenging this practice, and soon thereafter the LDS church prophet announced a reversal of policy via revelation.

In 2009, urged on by the church, Mormons reportedly donated $20 million to pass Proposition 8, banning same-sex marriage.

2) Stealing from Medicare?

As well as being a Progressive Democrat, FDR was one of the most popular presidents ever. He also gave us Social Security; a very popular program. Another very popular program, Medicare, was given to us by a Democratic president, LBJ.

Glenn Beck, a Conservative, constantly attacks Progressives and social programs claiming they stand against God.

Republicans have opposed Social Security and Medicare from the start. They have tried to chip away at and privatize these programs for years. In fact, Ronald Reagan set a precedent for borrowing enormous amounts of monies from the Social Security trust fund and never paying it back. Republicans also use words like "entitlements" and "socialism" to describe and thus deride these programs.

If tax cuts for the wealthy create jobs, why did Bush hand Obama an economy in free fall after stealing from Social Security to (among other things) give a tax cut to the wealthy?

3) ..."Unchain" Wall Street?

Two Democrats sponsored the Glass-Steagall Act, which had protected consumers from financial calamity since the aftermath of the Great Depression by providing a crucial firewall between banks and investment firms:

Sen. Carter Glass (D, Virginia) a former Secretary of the Treasury
Rep. Henry B. Steagall (D, Alabama) Chairman of the House Committee on Banking and Currency

Three Republicans sponsored the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed portions of the Glass–Steagall Act:

Sen. Phil Gramm (R, Texas)
Rep. Jim Leach (R, Iowa)
Rep. Thomas J. Bliley, Jr. (R, Virginia)

Deregulation gave us Enron (2001) and a Global Recession (2008). Stock brokers and banks coordinated their efforts to use a business model built entirely on the premise they can make more money speculating on commodities contracts than they can by actually producing a product at fair market value. Central to their strategy of turning tangible assets into speculative commodities is removing government oversight of trading practices and exploiting market deficiencies to allow the manipulation of prices and supply.

NOTE: If you don't remember, ENRON manufactured rolling blackouts on the West Coast so people wouldn't complain when their energy rates spiked upwards while ENRON traded energy stock on Wall Street.

Peaceful Protester

(280 posts)
19. How many Republicans voted YES on the Medicare Act of 1965?
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:47 PM
Aug 2012

Summary of Party Affiliation on Medicare Vote:

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SENATE: YEA NAY NOT VOTING
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Dems: 57 - 07 - 04

Reps: 13 - 17 - 02

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HOUSE: YEA NAY NOT VOTING
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Dems: 237 - 48 - 08

Reps: 070 - 68 - 02

Source: http://www.ssa.gov/history/law.html

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NOTE: If Republicans are *REALLY* trying to save Medicare, why are they so afraid to discuss RomneyCare and why have they voted 33 times (and wasted millions of dollars) to repeal the affordable Care Act, AKA ObamaCare; which originated from RomneyCare.

PS: With the advent of the Tea Party crowd, the GOP has become so ideologically rigid and extreme they've had to describe Obama as extreme also to bring a sense of balance to their arguments and make it all seem reasonable.

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