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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat are Trump supporters so angry about?
I don't get it. I honestly don't get it. They are the unhappiest people on the planet. They won! They have the presidency, the Senate and SCOTUS. Yet they are constantly unhappy and anxious.
Go to a Trump rally, pick any one at random. You will see tons of them with Trump signs, shirts and hats spewing the most insane, violent and hateful things possible. They wave their middle fingers and shout about how CNN sucks.
But for what? Hate gets you nowhere and we're learning that quickly, and they know it, and it's pissing them off.
But why? Why are they so angry? Who hurt them? That is a question for the ages.
trixie2
(905 posts)I know someone who just yesterday said that he had no idea that trump was a failed businessman. I said if you would sample different news stations and, oh I don't know, use the Google box, you might have known what most people have always known.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)where he played the part of a respected successful mogul. It was all b.s., but people are gullible and, obviously, they were sure he would run the country like he ran his company. The irony is, that's exactly what he's done..run the country just like he ran his business--into the ground.
samnsara
(17,635 posts)..of apprentice viewership that they could overlay on top of a map of trump supporters. Ha thats all the info the Russians needed to target future maggots.
dameatball
(7,399 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)But then I really do avoid anything that embraces the idea that wealth is akin to godhood. The worship of the power that money brings and the belief that god hisself loves the rich more is an an anathema to me. Trump is the glowing example of the worship of money. The epitome of soulless greed willing to do the basest deeds to acquire that false godhood.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)In NYC.
JI7
(89,264 posts)and their president sucks also .
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)they always blame somebody else for anything. The whole RW media is 24/7 anger - limbaugh, inghram, coulter, etc. They are uniquely suitable to be manipulated by authoritarians. They tend to not think for themselves but rely on what their idols tell them to think. Its mostly same folks as tea party which is all about anger.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)More_Cowbell
(2,191 posts)The Trump people are by and large scowling or teeth bared.
Whereas in pictures of President Obama, even the *background* people are wearing big smiles.
It's the difference in what each man is projecting. Hatred and fear by Trump, and hope and inclusion by Obama.
Comatose Sphagetti
(836 posts)Bingo.
walkingman
(7,660 posts)anarch
(6,535 posts)Racist and stupid perhaps, but in this respect not entirely mistaken...the demographics of this country's population are inexorably trending toward non-white, and culturally speaking, the white/Christian hegemony is already in retreat--and I think "Trumpism" is to some extent a reaction to that. These people see things like the Voting Rights Act, and for some of the older ones, even just "the mixing of the races" such as exists subsequent to Brown v. Board of Ed. as paving stones on the road to Hell. I think what we're seeing now is their last, desperate gambit to hold onto power...it won't succeed for very long.
walkingman
(7,660 posts)Books_Tea_Alone
(253 posts)1). They are angry that we had a African- American President for 8 years
2). Their hatred of Hillary is visceral and astounding
3). See numbers 1 & 2
unblock
(52,317 posts)They're fine with women and minorities as long as they stay in their place and don't act up.
They're pissed that they have to deal with women and blacks and Hispanics and so on in traditionally white male roles like politicians, doctors, bosses,... basically anything that's not a subservient role.
They feel entitled to special treatment for being straight white males, like we should all admire them just for that.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)susanna
(5,231 posts)Still, I'm not sure how my family:
1) managed to raise me to be decent, kind and empathetic, and yet...
2) they have decided that this Circus Peanut is their swan song and I am the problem - WTAF?
I truly understand cognitive dissonance now. I really, really do. Been watching it play out real time.
on edit: I needed some italics
manor321
(3,344 posts)The right is always angry. This isn't new.
Every single day they are PISSED that whites and Christians don't control all levers of power anymore. It is that simple. That is what they are angry about.
Initech
(100,102 posts)This was spawned by that thread about the Trump supporting high school student who lost his wrestling scholarship after yelling homophobic slurs at a rally. There's hundreds, thousands of these kinds of stories. I want to know. Is it because they have been had and they know it?
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)Pretty much all they do is tell their audience why they should hate the left.
There may be some deeper physiological reasons, but they didn't earn the title 'hate radio' for nothing.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)...that at core they hate us because they feel looked down on.
That, of course, is encouraged daily by their propaganda machines. They feel aggrieved. Victimized by liberals. They hate everything about us. Lattes, coastal elites, yada.
airplaneman
(1,240 posts)They see CNN and MSNBC as liberal left wing fake news because the say
Trump is lying
Climate change is real
They think the lefties are closing in on them unfairly.
Trump is really a brilliant person
Liberals want to control you by pretending climate change is real.
How dare major news organizations gang up on them like this.
I have heard this from multiple and apparently intelligent people.
I really don't know how we get through to them - maybe just outnumber them at the poles and eliminate their news sources.
-Airplane
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)hating us isnt making us disappear. Last count we outnumbered them over two to one. They need to get to the gym or take up jogging bc just bc they hate, doesnt mean theyre entitled to it, or whatever stems from that ill gotten emotion. Guess what? Get over it. Or "Deal w it." Like they love to say to us..
Reminds me of when i was a kid and my Mom said, don't watch scary movies, but I did anyway. I got scared bc of my own choice and knew better than to do it. But I did anyway. And I still remember one of the movies to this day. Point is, once you create an issue w yourself bc of the mental diet you are feeding your own head. Then the problem is yours to own and deal with. They dont want to own what they've done. They've fomented unrational fear to sell advertising, and folks sat around and consumed that hate and now are just 'loose cannon angry'. They reinforce it somehow with religion to justify to themselves that it's ok to hate bc...jesus.
Not our problem. Believe me. We are twice as angry, we just aren't low brow enough to let it control our lives. We seem to channel it to good. They channel bad to more bad. Bc it's easy. The right has issues, and we're all paying for it.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Do us a favor, and check your baggage at the door. The gop needs to be disbanded. Not revamped and repackaged and resold to America. It's a poisoned dogma that cranks out 1% economics and class warfare to cover it. While we're fighting, they're carrying the money out the back door.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)I feel its going to get uglier on the ground before it gets better. Vote blocking is and has been occurring. It will be ramped up in some areas. Thats just the tip of it. The writing is on the wall. They want the south to rise again. They are seeing women and minorities rise. Their days are numbered. Emotions are driving them to the polls. They are soon going to be ran over.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Or soon to be victims.
Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, socialist, liberals, commies and sundry groups have made their lives hell or soon will.
That and Jeezus is coming soon and he hates all the aforementioned groups so if they want to go to heaven they should hate them as well.
Pretty much sums it up.
hibbing
(10,109 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)that lazy, violent minorities are getting government benefits they don't deserve while they're having dozens of out-of-wedlock babies by various unknown drug-dealer fathers and buying steak and malt liquor with food stamps; that gay men are seducing their sons and giving them AIDS, while lesbians are making their daughters hate men and not get married; that Muslims are about to take over and impose Sharia law on the whole country, which they don't know what it means except that the women will have to wear burkas and nobody will be allowed to be Christian; and that Latino immigrants are either taking their jobs or not taking their jobs but living on welfare, and voting multiple times for Democrats.
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)you've been talking to some of my rw relatives. Reagan convinced them that black women on welfare were driving cadillacs to the grocery store and loading their carts with steak and lobster paid for with generous food stamps. And, it's gone downhill from there.Now Trump has them convinced that millions of migrants are descending on the US with the intention of commiting murder, rape, and general mayhem. And these dumbasses believe every word.
diva77
(7,656 posts)where underpaid workers envy and blame the next tier above them for their problems. Meanwhile, CEOs pillage company profits, unimpeded. Wingnut radio fabricates wedge issues to distract from who is really stealing the store.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)Hatred is poison and so is envy. Both are long-time bad mental habits. Trumpsters are completely unaware that they nurture hatred in their minds and then project it out onto people and conditions. They tell themselves that those "others," out there, are the causes of their unhappiness. From a Buddhist perspective, their own minds are the causes of their own unhappiness.
We have this concept in Buddhism of mirror-like wisdom. No matter what appearance comes before a mirror, the mirror never gets angry or upset. That's because the mirror itself is empty of any real self-existent reality. Just so the true nature of mind is open and clear. But Trumpsters confuse what they see and feel as reality, when what they actually see is their own subjective ego mind. This is not an easy thing to understand. It took me many years to understand that it's not about the content of what happens to me, pleasant or unpleasant, but about what I tell myself about what happens to me. Trumpsters don't meditate and look at the thoughts passing through their minds.
Trumpsters would be a lot happier if they practiced a little loving kindness towards others, but they are mentally stuck in "me first." So my answer to "why are they angry?" is because they are stuck in self-cherishing and constantly nurture anger and resentment. Ya know, they could simply think different thoughts, thoughts of loving kindness and graciousness. But they don't.
If you tried to tell them what I just wrote above, they would get angry and refuse to even think about it. Our lives don't ever get better until we accept that our own mental attitudes have something to do with whether we are happy or not.
akraven
(1,975 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)with their Jobs,and living arrangements. Common story I hear is this,"only if I had this much money I could do this or that",another one is,"those immigrants get them food stamps and subsidized houses and stuff like that ",folks it boils down to lack of Education and critical thinking skills. Ignorance of others as well as blind obedience to some Religion or cause or social group develops a Stockholm Syndrome for many of these people.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)everybody has enough. There's not enough anymore. And they know they can't compete. Corporate America is selling OUR jobs. Focus on the true enemy. (Hint...It's not us)
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Rethug Kool Aid,well you are seeing Reality in Real Time. I have tons of Family who I previously described. All I did was print what they have said to me over several decades.
And yes,Jack Welsh is the one who was the leader in creating your true statement.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Happy New Year Wellstone.
Cha
(297,652 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)That, and they're not necessarily the sharpest tools in the shed.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)target other than their own leader or The Party. They try to aim the hatred at Emmanuel Goldstein, for example, or in Trump's case, at immigrants, Muslims, the media, Hillary, or the Mueller investigation. Those shared expressions of hatred help bond them to each other and to their cause. And it keeps them from the realization that their dear leader is a moron.
912gdm
(959 posts)its fear.
and a longing for https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1002&thread=11603807&pid=11603950
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)and we all know who has done the pumping for several decades. No need to rehash that theme.
False fears and resentments of everything under the sun that's not just like them inside their bubble. These folks do not inventory and face their fears and resentments and then dispel those that are false, but instead cling to them and wear them with pride! That's because no one in their authoritarian structure stands up to them and demands that they change when they're dead wrong.
In fact, their authoritarian structure is isolated, self-sustaining, and happily maintained by a large group of very wealthy radical right-wingers. The basic elements of the structure consist primarily of others of their kind, preachers, politicians and media characters. They will listen to no others.
Fear surfaces as hate, anger and irrational behavior (like voting for tRump).......
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)He's done this for decades. His hate and fear is who Donald Trump is! It's a contagious disease and Trump spreads it masterfully.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)All of the wage increases since the recession (which, particularly in the past few years, have been substantial, largely thanks to state minimum wage increases) have been concentrated among the actually poor, who are predominantly non-white.
People forget that when you look at the polling data, the poorer a white voter was the less likely he or she was to vote for Trump. His strongest support was from white voters making about $70K-$100K (the median income of a two-earner white family both with high school diplomas is $72K). These are the people who see "others" making gains and starting to catch up with them, while they're making pretty much what they made before the recession.
As with nearly every revolution in the past, the foot soldiers here are the people with something to lose who fear encroachment from below.
byronius
(7,401 posts)Classic primate programming. Guilt and shame and insecurity are demons.
Uben
(7,719 posts)They're angry because the general public aren't as stupid as they are. They refuse to evolve and they don't understand why everyone don't believe the stupid shit they believe. The problem? You cant fix stupid. They would starve to death before they'd change their minds. They get together and spew their shit together, and they feel bullet-proof because they truly believe that what they are doing is right. I wouldn't waste a second on trying to change one of them! I live amongst them...I've seen it. They're in an express lane to failure and can't see it.
eShirl
(18,503 posts)man is evil, yadda yadda yadda
Mike Nelson
(9,966 posts)
angry with themselves.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)Since 1865 and for them it's gone downhill from there.
Golden Raisin
(4,613 posts)I'll change the channel to Fox to see what they're saying and up to. I usually only last about 10 seconds before I have to change the channel back. If you put the sound on mute, it is AMAZING to observe the facial expressions and body language. Hannity, Tucker, Ingraham and others are seething with anger and it shows immediately.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I can tell you at any given time what Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc., have to say on any given subject. It's not like they or their target audience are very complicated people. It doesn't take a PhD-level psychologist to understand them, nor does it require any "monitoring" of "what they're saying now". That's just plain fucking masochism.
I'm pleased to say that I've never read nor listened firsthand to any of their poisoned bullshit. I've heard enough secondhand to know that their words have destroyed this country. I wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on fire.
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The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)I think that is the root. People unlike them (people unlike them being beneath them) are allowed to thrive. Non-whites, foreigners, LGBTQI people, and non-Christians actually have legal rights and can thrive. Their authoritative, bigoted minds tell them they are superior and belong at the pinnacle of the social pyramid. Reality is, they have to compete for resources and social standing. They don't like this, they think it is their by-god birthright due to their white skin. Now, add 1500 hate radio stations, a television propaganda network, and a passel of internet resources that tell them just that, and there you are.
brewens
(13,620 posts)the smarter ones know they are being lied to and called dumbshits right to their faces by Trump on a regular basis. I suppose they were used to that from FOX "News" to some degree, but it can't be making them happy.
hexola
(4,835 posts)Don't miss a chance to throw this into any Trump related debate...good for creating awkward silences.
Mister Ed
(5,943 posts)Anger gives them a buzz. They just need something to fuel the anger and keep the buzz going, and right-wing hate radio provides the fuel.
Initech
(100,102 posts)They're addicted to anger and hatred and they're looking for any excuse to use it, and they elected a president who is as angry as they are.
Brawndo
(535 posts)I'm betting if we polled all DUers asking if they've read and understood the Constitution there would be a clear majority that have done so and support its contents. If you did the same poll but for the magats I believe the number would be very low. If they really knew what is in the Constitution they would hate it. They may technically be Americans but they don't know anything about what America is about.
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Gothmog
(145,554 posts)Make America great means getting rid of non Whites
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Initech
(100,102 posts)Except even some of the policies that this wretched administration is cooking up are too extreme even for them!
gulliver
(13,193 posts)They'll stop the train by sabotage if necessary. That's more or less what Trump is: a stink bomb. He's also a cry for help.
Not sure what we do about it apart from simply voting our numbers and smacking Trumpism hard across the snout. If we do that, we'd better have some inspiring ideas about what we want the world to be like.
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)BlueStater
(7,596 posts)A lot of them admitted that they voted for Trump based on how much they thought he'd piss off Democrats, minorities, or whatever other group they have a bizarre, unexplainable hatred for, not because they'd actually thought he'd be a good president. They're petty, bitter, unhappy people