rather than later.

Hot Damn!!!

Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!!

We need all hands on deck. Each one can take on big single issue and speak to all the other issues. We need to corner the GOP and Trump with their bullshit, lying, and dissembling. We do not need to attack TRUMP...just his ignorance, lying, and criminal behaviors. We can make the issues that EW spoke about our talking points as well as affordable housing, consumer protections, banking, corruption in business as well as government. Gun legislative reform, environmental justice/injustice. Early childhood education, focused education for 21st century jobs. Fair, rational immigration and border security polocies.

YES WE CAN!!!

This oughta be good.

back to him and exposes every lie.

3/4 of the country already know that he's a liar and his base doesn't give a damn. She should just tell about why she can help us and the country.

watching the super-bowl.

Good for her! Good luck Senator Warren! There will be many fine DEMOCRATS running and I'm looking forward to seeing which one rises to the top.

She’s smart and competent. Plus, she does very well on TV, a qualification that should not be necessary, but somehow is.

This, is going to be interesting

One of my top five!

I like her and her ideas but we have to consider this. Will be Hillary Part II. Can we PLEASE have a younger, fresh face? She will do the most good staying in the Senate.

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If that person champions her economic reforms. I am not in favor of some younger "third-way" just because he/she can skateboard.

Edit: Not thinking I meant "third-way," not "neocon". Fruedian slip maybe, but I apologize.

Look it up.

It’s boilerplate from that crowd at this point.

so I looked it up (Wiki):

“Neoconservatism (commonly shortened to neocon when labelling its adherents) is a political movement born in the United States during the 1960s among liberal hawks who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist foreign policy of the Democratic Party, and the growing New Left and counterculture, in particular the Vietnam protests. Some also began to question their liberal beliefs regarding domestic policies such as the Great Society.”

...I think there are (too) many in the Democratic Party who might be described as such.

All of their henchmen who lied about Iraq. They're murderers and liars.

marginalizing Beto with his Skateboard.

And, "3rd way".. Priceless! lol sarcasm thing if needed.

When someone is mocked for riding a skateboard there’s a fair amount of ageism in that too. But cuz Bernie it’s ok I guess.

It's a reference to image over sorely needed movement towards the left. I may be one of AOC's biggest fans, in fact.

Like I said, it cuts both ways. The Bernie followers will need to up their game if they want to stop this guy. Limp references to skateboarding aren’t going to get it done.

Oh, okay.

And it was a reference to image over substance. Compare a Beto interview to a Warren interview and you can see what I'm talking about.

Don't be petty with off the cuff remarks about skateboarding.

It comes off as belittling. As in: How dare he skateboard. So undignified!

She is my senator and I like what she is doing in the Senate but I do not want her to run for Pres. She has too much baggage and no charisma. As much as I like her, even I wince when she talks on screen. She comes across as a scolding schoolmarm. I'm sorry, she does a great job, but she will be a horrible candidate. She just doesn't have the likability to appeal nationwide.

Lets see the only Democratic Presidential candidate I can think of going back over 50 years without any "baggage" is/was Barrack Obama

Elizabeth Warren could win the nomination and the White House. She is a progressive and Democratic voters want a candidate like her.
To say we need a candidate running "center"? ..no Republican Lites need apply.
We need real Democrats running and it just doesn't get any better than this having a "real Democrat" Elizabeth Warren running.

She won, but should have won by much more. I think a lot of it has to do with misogyny and her Native American "scandal" which was stupid, but Trump turned it into a much bigger deal than it should have been. Like I said, I like her politics - I never criticized that. I want a strong progressive candidate.

I just think it's her personality, her history with Trump and her lack of broad-based appeal - along with the inevitable comparisons to Hillary Clinton - that will do her in. I honestly don't think she has what it takes to win on a national level.

and its not even January
I think she will be ok with the Native American issue. By the time Trump resigns and the Republicans began looking forward to losing the Seante in 2020 and Democrats polling represents maintaining the House Majority, voters will see what a perfect match it will be with Warren and the legislative branch.

After its all said and don, I think Warren could be the nominee. And wow cant you just hear the Corporate media machine?.

I'm not following? How did you get that from my post? Sanders didn't figure in at all. I just fear that Warren will be given the Hillary treatment all over again. However if she was the Democratic nominee, I would enthusiastically vote for her.

of 2016 was arguing basically about (examples only) Hillary vs Sanders and how Bernie lost caucus votes in Iowa or how Hillary was denied the proper count in Arizona etc. etc.
Before the primary was over there were a lot of bitterness spewed. We are all Democrats here and we have been through hell having elections stolen,our voters denied the right to vote etc.
I just don't want to see Democrats working to together for the same goal..and that is to get the Damn Republicans out of office without all the bitterness and "in house fighting"

He was born in Kenya and has a whole closet full of tan suits!

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winning? I like Elizabeth Warren just fine, but I like her right where she is. I can clearly see she has ZERO national appeal.

This 'exploratory committee' should come to the conclusion that this bid is a waste of time and money.
I agree with your post 100% I was just afraid to be the one say it because I don't want to get banned so thank you.

How do "clearly see she has ZERO national appeal," considering most Americans probably haven't even heard of her? Same with Harris, Gillibrand, and Booker. Her message is sound and it's up to her and the Democratic Party to sell it. Democratic voters will come on board because of her policies and the "D" behind her name. Indies who don't care about the "D" may like her policies and vote accordingly. It's a wee bit early to reach conclusions... let the process work.

If she's the nominee, of course I'll vote for her. But the presidency isn't all there is about reshaping the federal government. Someone with her progressive chops is needed to be Senate Majority Leader, once the Senate turns. As poisonous as Mitch McConnell has been for the country in that position, she'd be an excellent antidote.

I will vote for the Democratic nominee whoever it is, but I am just worried that she is not going to have enough national appeal to get independents and undecideds out to vote. I would like to see someone with her politics, but with a little more charisma as the nominee.

I know it seems shallow, but face it, most voters aren't looking at the same things we are. They are going to be motivated first by "star appeal". It's sad, but true.

Warren has a certain “professor” feel that I think most people won’t gravitate to.

And if she is the best candidate, why nominate a younger person, other than ageism?

We need to find the best candidate who can WIN. I don’t think it’s her. I hate that we have to consider these things but smearing candidates is precisely what the opposition is good at. We can’t be “above all that” this time.

She appeals to many Dems that Hillary didn't appeal to, especially in the upper midwest where dump won the electoral college. And, ummm, everyone on here knows winning the election is the point. We just disagree about who is best to do it and how to do it. Letting the other side determine our candidates is not the best way to win elections.

(which are still Trump / Hannity talking points stoked to sow discord and division), I think it's important to stress that the nomination is in the hands of the voters.

Your reasoning that she would be defined by the other side is faulty, as she has already proven as someone who is seen as a fighter for the average person, she has a substantative record in public service and your description of her getting "sucked in" by dump is also faulty. Her claim was challenged and she answered it with a compelling story about her family. You can agree with those who disparage her and try to define her in a negative way. I and many more don't.

So sick of this bullshit narrative.


She won. The election was stolen. Period.

For me she is at the top of the list for many, many reasons. But I will wait till we are further along in the process, see who else is running, what their credentials and positions are, and then make a choice. I may donate to multiple ones along the way while deciding who to vote for in the primary. Of course I will vote for whoever the Democratic candidate is, without reservation or stipulations.

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Most people will get sick of that shit over time.

Besides, Democrats should allow all to run, and we'll have a vote in the primary as to who should run for president.


There are a few here who like to suppress opinions of those they disagree with, which plays into Repug hands.

All viewpoints should be presented, creating a hybrid set of positions of the best of all candidates.

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Plus, she is younger than Trump by a number of years. Like someone posted, I hope that she does not try the stay above the fray BS. Trump is a pig, but to beat him, you have to get into the mud with him and then beat the shit out of him.

...that's Warren is running defense by declaring first and letting Trump fire all his cannons at her as a distraction for the candidates he is less familiar with and will declare later?

Not that she wouldn't make an excellent Commander in Chief.

so that should never be the criteria.

Her campaign motto could be, "Nevertheless, America persists!"

We certainly have a deep bench this time around.

However, for the most superficial reasons, I don’t believe she can win. It’s certainly not substance but unfortunately, the American public doesn’t vote on substance.

unfortunately, I don't think she makes a great candidate and like you said, many people don't always vote on substance. I honestly wish she was more charismatic and had a more powerful screen presence, but I just don't see her motivating a lot of people to get out and vote or to hop the fence.

Good

......I have watched politics and Presidential elections since JFK and I am saying Democrats want a Progressive candidate. They don't want a candidate that is chosen by Republicans or the Corporate media.
Elizabeth Warren is smart and very capable of winning and one could bet that her campaign staff will be the ultimate.
This native Issue is not an issue but for Trump and the Russian Republicans that's all they got.

I think she played her cards smart 3 years ago. Her political discretion tells me she'd be a prudent and sagacious leader.

She maybe might even disenthrall me with Beto. But there's a three-way tie in my heart and one third of it rhymes with Smelizabeth Snorin'

Link to tweet

It never seemed that she was willing to do it in the past. The good news is that she will dilute Bernie Sanders support. The bad news for her is she will not win (but neither will he).

... on them. Funny. In my mind I was thinking "Like Barack Obama." One might say he had the biggest target of all, his race. Why do I feel like Warren's gender is more of a liability than his race? But it's not just her gender, it's her style. The epitome of a strong woman. I love strong women!!! But I want to get Trump AND Pence out so bad I just don't want to fight any other fights this go around.

they passed out purple band-aids to mock Kerry for getting wounded in Vietnam but not badly enough.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=8168045&mesg_id=8168045 (scroll down)

This'll be my name for repukes henceforth and forevermore. Until they "vanish like smoke vanishes, like wax melts before a fire".

I've heard the appellation previously, but fergot it till now. 😉

Thanks!

Why would anyone want a president that the Republicans will approve of?

I think this screenshot from her campaign video shows how she's different from the other candidates, note the subtitle:

They accused the Clintons of murder, FFS. Think of all the shit they lobbed at Al Gore. They portrayed Vietnam veterans Max Cleland and John Kerry as traitors. Obama and Hillary were under constant attack. They target a perceived weakness and their meathead base falls in line. They're also able to bring along some of that wishy-washy middle that doesn't have an original thought in its collective head. There is NO level they won't stoop to. The Democratic Party needs to be better at dealing with these attacks, but with the CONSTANT barrage of right-wing media, it's a tall task.

Frankly the Pocahontas thing is crap and handled well can make him look nothing but loathesome. I don’t know that she’s be my first choice but I’d back her for sure. And she’s gonna make the deplorable look reeeeeeeal bad. 😄

hurt him except among those that wouldn't support trump anyway.

Unfortunately, with our illustrious media, and the republican hate machine, the "Pocahontas" issue will be the brunt of ridicule and jokes, and I suspect that if she does go for a presidential run, it will be short lived because of that. Not because it is consequential, but that is the shallowness of our culture. I hope I am wrong, but remember the Howard Dean "laugh"? The media misrepresented that whole situation, and portrayed him as an unstable person, repeating "laugh" out of contest almost 24/7.


Perhaps she can overcome that, but it will be an uphill battle.

Senate where she can be the most effective.

Genuine, with the right credentials and experience. She will also play well in the midwest that Dems need to take back.

Whether she gets the nomination or not, she’ll have something worthwhile to say.

result in a run for in 2020, implying that it is a done deal is premature

It says she is looking into it seriously. It does not mean a final decision has been made.

Lots of dems launching exploratory committees for 2020.

But I’ll wait to see who else jumps in.

What I do know is I will not support any person in the primary who does not fully and enthusiastically support Medicare For All, green job initiative, reigning in Wall Street, $15 min wage, and standing up for unions and the middle class. I don’t care if it’s a woman, man, old, young, white, minority. I care about policies and the courage to stand up for them.

hard pass on a primary vote. I'd like to see Harris or Booker.

Basic "Rules for Radicals" here, namely "ridicule" and "pick the target and polarize it". Then she doubled down and bombed by actually taking the goddamned DNA test, playing right into the racists' hands.

Warren will spend now til the end playing defense, rather than taking about issues that actually matter.

… she's getting in front of a large group and doing this later might get lost... and, smart to do the "exploratory" one so she can do another announcement if it looks like there is an opening in the news cycle. Also, she's been one of the more upfront politicians about if she's running, or not running, for President.

Good Luck to Elizabeth Warren!

She showed a clear lack of judgement in calling on him to resign in my opinion.

or even click on it before posting their opinions

I believe they are both very capable of handling drump. Both very strong women. I’ll pick whoever is stronger on health care.

a ticket with Warren on it either as President or VP.

West Coast and New England.

Trump would beat her in both electoral and popular votes.

I like what she has to say for the most part, but I think her talking about Washington corruption and rigging and so forth could backfire. Republicanists like to say Washington is corrupt when it's mainly them, and that the system is rigged when it is mainly by them.

I may or may not vote for her in the primary, but I'm glad she's in the race. She also closes a lane that a certain Senator was going to take, but I'm being nice today so that's all I'll say on that.

As for the whole "Republicans will destroy her" mess, they're going to destroy everyone. Professor Ford still probably can't move back into her home because of their crazy. They know Trump is a unhinged turd so they're going to be extra vicious to drag him over the finish line. All that matters is whether the campaign that the eventual nominee builds can give back as much they receive.

I also think she's a bit too old. Candidates who are older than Trump was when he got elected is typically where I draw the line as far as age is concerned.

it may overcome the other shortcomings. Especially if the economy worsens.

We're going to have about 25-30 choices in the beginning. I'm excited.

I voted for her. She’s more effective in the Senate.

Hopefully, we will have many excellent progressive candidates for 2020.

respond to Trump and the DNA bullshit in a different fashion. I suggest she remind Don that she never had to appear in court with a birth certificate to prove she wasn't an orangutan. Trump did when he sued Bill Maher.

in every story. They took awful pictures of HRC all the time then wondered why the unwashed would eventually feel negative about her. Pictures say a lot. (recall the red don going up the stairs of Air Force 1 w toilet paper or something on his shoe? I'll never forget that image..heh heh.)
Well, lets see what she's got. I think she's ALREADY has some govt reform bills that are Pro-American voter. I like her moxy.

Brave lady! I like her start-off message. I look forward to seeing how she progresses. I hope tht she does a big public event in Dallas.

The right, and hence the MSM, will make the entire campaign about her heritage comments. The MSM cannot resist conflating anything the right says that looks negative so they can promote bothsides-ism. We don't need to look any farther than "her emails" to realize that.

Like most of you I had a great laugh and declared victory for her when she announced the DNA test, and in true MSM fashion Warren actually somehow came out of that looking WORSE while drumpf got off scot-free for renegging on his million dollar bet........

So it certainly isn't warren's ability i'm worried about. she can run the country and do a great job, i just don't trust the media to give her a fair shake as they ignore the real issues and talk endlessly about her "heritage".

And to be honest i kind of didn't want her to run because i thought she would have great value as a senate majority leader if we take back that chamber. we need someone like her setting the agenda there because as we've all learned the majority leader has WAY too much power in the senate (witness by the majority leader essentially having the power to kill any bill with only a single vote out of 100 by not letting said bill come to the floor). I trust her more than Schumer to make sure legislation we want is brought to the floor for votes and rethug bills are killed.

But if she's elected president, who runs the Dem Senate is a problem we'll be happy to have at that point

We need someone who will fight back and put Trump on the spot. Beat him with his own tactics.

Of the rumored candidates she is currently my favorite due to her strong populist message and her history of taking no prisoners while fighting to reign in the beasts of Wall Street.

I will eat everything that is put on my dish, just for the record...

but I won’t name them. Stay positive DU

I love EW and her politics are a perfect match with mine. She would make an amazing president.

Unfortunately, my belief is that we need a real pit bull of a candidate to win against Trump. Someone who can dish it back just a good as Trump dishes it out to them. Someone who won’t “stay above the fray”, who will gladly jump in the mud and will match Trump blow for blow.

Trump looks like a winner in many people’s eyes because he’s mastered the art of making a mountain out of a molehill. He takes any “win” no matter how small and crows about it nonstop.
In any other universe Warren showing that she did in fact have Native DNA would have left the antagonist with egg on his face but with Trump it was a victory because he could make it look like she answered to him.

The same with the Truther bullshit: he still takes credit for forcing Obama to release his birth certificate. Another “victory”.

just thinking out loud here

But I'd have no problem voting for her.

That is all

But she’ll get my vote if she’s the candidate.

I'd prefer Joe-Amy at this point I think.

I just think she is brilliant.