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pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 04:51 PM Dec 2018

UPDATED: Very interesting Mueller-related FB post by Heather Cox Richardson

Last edited Mon Dec 31, 2018, 08:54 PM - Edit history (3)

A public post by political historian/author Heather Cox Richardson:

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Over the holiday, someone asked me to explain what is happening with Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into the Russian government's attempt to interfere in the 2016 election. Perfect timing, because I stumbled across something a few weeks ago that frames the whole investigation nicely.

In 2011, when Mueller was FBI Director, he gave a speech in New York. He explained that globalization and modern technology had changed the nature of organized crime. Rather than being regional networks with a clear structure, he said, organized crime had become international, fluid, sophisticated, and had stakes in the multi-billion dollar range. Its operators were cross-pollinating across countries, religions, and political affiliations, sharing only their greed. They did not care about ideology; they cared about money. They would do anything for a price.

These criminal enterprises, he noted, were working to corner the market on oil, gas, and precious metals. And to do so, Mueller explained, they "may infiltrate our businesses. They may provide logistical support to hostile foreign powers. They may try to manipulate those at the highest levels of government. Indeed, these so-called 'iron triangles' of organized criminals, corrupt government officials, and business leaders pose a significant national security threat."
To combat that threat, Mueller said, the FBI had shifted focus "from a law-enforcement agency to a national security service that is threat-driven and intelligence-led."

It appears that various members of the 2016 GOP campaign were part of such an iron triangle.

Donald Trump had sought Russian business since 1996, but his financial connections with Russians really took off in 2008, when wealthy Russians poured money into Trump's US properties at a time when few others were interested in working with Trump. In September 2008, Don Jr. told a reporter: "Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.... We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia." Trump pursued the idea of a Trump Tower in Moscow, and in 2013, took the Miss Universe pageant there.

Then, in 2014, in response to Russian efforts to destabilize and absorb Ukraine, the US put sanctions on a number of Russian oligarchs close to Vladimir Putin, freezing their assets and denying them visas. (Interestingly, at the time, GOP congresspeople complained that President Obama did not hit Putin more harshly.)

Now, it appears that Russia offered to help Trump get elected in 2016 in exchange for-- among other things-- an end to sanctions. And a Russian spy, Maria Butina, has recently admitted to infiltrating the NRA, which poured more than $400 million-- an unprecedented sum-- behind GOP candidates in the 2016 election.

It is this iron triangle of business, government, and criminals that Mueller is chasing down. It is taking a huge amount of time as he and his staff look at money laundering, cyber-hacking, blackmail, and what is popularly (but not legally) known as treason. It seems to me that he is aiming not at any one person, but rather at a criminal organization that is attempting to destroy NATO and turn the world over to an international cabal of oligarchs.

Mueller is spreading his evidence out in the court records he is filing, making it almost impossible for the president to stifle his discoveries, and he is spreading out cases amongst different agencies for similar reasons. And he is getting results. As of November, Mueller had indicted 33 people or entities, and 7 of them have pled guilty (5 were aides to Trump). There are also more than 3 dozen sealed indictments at the DC federal court, and it is likely that many, or most, or all, of them are related the Mueller investigation.

Mueller is the man who took down the Gambino crime family when no one else could make anything stick. He is thorough and he is tough. Sadly, I expect his final conclusions are going to be shocking: it seems to me that we will discover that not simply administration officials, but also a number of congresspeople and prominent business leaders are part of that iron triangle of international criminality Mueller warned about back in 2011, when the rest of us were still naive.

https://www.facebook.com/heathercoxrichardson/posts/over-the-holiday-someone-asked-me-to-explain-what-is-happening-with-special-coun/1725414477602611/



About
Heather Cox Richardson is a political historian who uses facts and history to make observations about contemporary American politics. She is the author, most recently, of To Make Men Free: A History of the Republican Party.

Biography
I'm from rural Maine, was educated at Exeter and Harvard, and am now a professor of history at Boston College. I write books about the American past, and write articles about modern politics. The past informs my work on the present, not the other way around.


ON UPDATE:

***From the FBI archives: Robert Mueller's speech on Jan. 27, 2011***

As you know, just last week we arrested nearly 130 members of La Cosa Nostra in New York, New Jersey, and New England. We will continue to work with our state and local partners to end La Cosa Nostra’s lifelong practice of crime and undue influence.

But the playing field has changed. We have seen a shift from regional families with a clear structure, to flat, fluid networks with global reach. These international enterprises are more anonymous and more sophisticated. Rather than running discrete operations, on their own turf, they are running multi-national, multi-billion dollar schemes from start to finish.

We are investigating groups in Asia, Eastern Europe, West Africa, and the Middle East. And we are seeing cross-pollination between groups that historically have not worked together. Criminals who may never meet, but who share one thing in common: greed.

They may be former members of nation-state governments, security services, or the military. These individuals know who and what to target, and how best to do it. They are capitalists and entrepreneurs. But they are also master criminals who move easily between the licit and illicit worlds. And in some cases, these organizations are as forward-leaning as Fortune 500 companies.

This is not “The Sopranos,” with six guys sitting in a diner, shaking down a local business owner for $50 dollars a week. These criminal enterprises are making billions of dollars from human trafficking, health care fraud, computer intrusions, and copyright infringement. They are cornering the market on natural gas, oil, and precious metals, and selling to the highest bidder.


More at link:

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/speeches/the-evolving-organized-crime-threat
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UPDATED: Very interesting Mueller-related FB post by Heather Cox Richardson (Original Post) pnwmom Dec 2018 OP
thank-you for posting this. Do you have a link? vlyons Dec 2018 #1
Someone just posted it here: pnwmom Dec 2018 #6
I would include Putin, the kochs and other oligarchs in that group of criminals. They have diane in sf Dec 2018 #33
This is interesting ... kentuck Dec 2018 #2
Here is a link to the post Gore1FL Dec 2018 #3
Thank you! pnwmom Dec 2018 #9
+1 dalton99a Jan 2019 #53
By this point everybody who isn't in deep, deep denial gets it that Trump and Putin are in cahoots. Girard442 Dec 2018 #4
What they might not understand is that both of them are connected with pnwmom Dec 2018 #7
and another impetus for the interference (to weaken/prevent a Clinton presidency) salin Dec 2018 #10
Because they've been brainwashed into believing that liberals and Democrats are the root of all evil Downtown Hound Dec 2018 #21
"I'd rather be a Russian..." Beartracks Jan 2019 #43
Russia can have them. Downtown Hound Jan 2019 #46
Well, hey, gentlemen, you can always relocate to Moscow. calimary Jan 2019 #49
Dolt's duo! czarjak Jan 2019 #55
Recommended. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #5
This is brilliant malaise Dec 2018 #8
K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 spanone Dec 2018 #11
Mueller couldnt' be more perfect for the job. Danascot Dec 2018 #12
THIS........ MyOwnPeace Dec 2018 #18
. Danascot Dec 2018 #23
Mueller is the "James Bond" I've Been Waiting for OMGWTF Dec 2018 #24
. Achilleaze Dec 2018 #13
I'm wishing that facebuck is not the medium used to transfer information. erronis Dec 2018 #14
⬆️ This x 1000 BadgerMom Dec 2018 #17
You don't have to. I cut and posted it because it was a public post. nt pnwmom Dec 2018 #28
Thank you, pnwmom. But the rest of the story is still hidden. erronis Dec 2018 #34
That's the whole thing. n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #35
thank you! nt Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #56
Excellent. moondust Dec 2018 #15
K and R BadgerMom Dec 2018 #16
A link to Richardson's 2014 history of the Repug-Ugly Party... RobertDevereaux Dec 2018 #19
Excellent post. Thank you for sharing! TSheehan Dec 2018 #20
The FBI and CIA are working at cross-purposes. House of Roberts Dec 2018 #22
Excellent read! Owl Dec 2018 #25
K&R!! Leghorn21 Dec 2018 #26
Thank you! Mike Nelson Dec 2018 #27
Rachel, please have her on your show. triron Dec 2018 #29
Good article. I fear, though, that the hard evidence of everything may not come forth. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #30
Very good summary . . . peggysue2 Dec 2018 #31
Mueller spoke in 2011 to tell us that the FBI had already transformed to address this type of threat Mr. Ected Dec 2018 #32
Bravo to Robert Mueller! Cha Jan 2019 #36
I've been wondering if any members of Congress will be taken down, too. Vinca Jan 2019 #37
The NRA funded many Republican candidates with Russian money. yardwork Jan 2019 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Jan 2019 #38
I am certain that Jill Stein was either a witting or unwitting agent for Putin. yardwork Jan 2019 #41
We are Witnessing the "Iron Triangle" in the White House dlk Jan 2019 #39
And MSM continues to enable this! triron Jan 2019 #45
When you think about it... Woodycall Jan 2019 #42
well said - KT2000 Jan 2019 #47
This meshes with Seth Abramson's exposition on the "Grand Bargain" of six. Grasswire2 Jan 2019 #44
I thought so too. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2019 #48
Kick dalton99a Jan 2019 #50
This is extremely compelling. Sounds pretty doggone spot-on to me. calimary Jan 2019 #51
You're very welcome, calimary! pnwmom Jan 2019 #52
He left out folks linked to several international sporting bodies malaise Jan 2019 #54

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
1. thank-you for posting this. Do you have a link?
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 04:58 PM
Dec 2018

I came to the same conclusion about 6 months ago that an international crime syndicate was trying to rule the world.

diane in sf

(3,919 posts)
33. I would include Putin, the kochs and other oligarchs in that group of criminals. They have
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 10:23 PM
Dec 2018

common interests in keeping the world on oil and run in a top down, non-Democratic way.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
2. This is interesting ...
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 04:59 PM
Dec 2018

"...And a Russian spy, Maria Butina, has recently admitted to infiltrating the NRA, which poured more than $400 million-- an unprecedented sum-- behind GOP candidates in the 2016 election. "

Girard442

(6,085 posts)
4. By this point everybody who isn't in deep, deep denial gets it that Trump and Putin are in cahoots.
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 05:06 PM
Dec 2018

You have to assume that most of the people who voted Republican in the recent election are somewise OK with that. I can't imagine how.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
7. What they might not understand is that both of them are connected with
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 05:13 PM
Dec 2018

a worldwide criminal network.

salin

(48,955 posts)
10. and another impetus for the interference (to weaken/prevent a Clinton presidency)
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 05:35 PM
Dec 2018

was tied to the Panama Papers leak which she a lot of light on financial malfeasance on some folks very, very close to (and possible funneling money through to) Putin.

I have read that Putin blames the US for that leak/exposure - and very much wanted to destabilize the US elections and institutions as a result. I think folks often forget/overlook that connection to this interlocking mess of corruption.

Personally I don't think they (Putin/GRU) started out thinking that they could actually get Trump elected - but as time went on in the campaign - it is clear that became a desired end goal.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
21. Because they've been brainwashed into believing that liberals and Democrats are the root of all evil
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 07:01 PM
Dec 2018

And that any alternative is preferable.

calimary

(81,500 posts)
49. Well, hey, gentlemen, you can always relocate to Moscow.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 03:46 PM
Jan 2019

You can be REAL Russian citizens over there, instead of being subjects of a mere Russian pawn installed over here. Why not go all out? Take the direct route. Or relocate to Ukraine or Crimea where more of the action is.

Danascot

(4,694 posts)
12. Mueller couldnt' be more perfect for the job.
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 06:09 PM
Dec 2018

He showed up at the right time in our nations' history.

erronis

(15,336 posts)
14. I'm wishing that facebuck is not the medium used to transfer information.
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 06:40 PM
Dec 2018

Some of us don't want to have our personal details slurped even more.

Rhetorically: Why should I have to create a facebuck account to read a post?
I understand paywalls for newspapers and journals (and don't like them either), but when someone creates some article that should be public, garnering my personals is invasive.

erronis

(15,336 posts)
34. Thank you, pnwmom. But the rest of the story is still hidden.
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 11:27 PM
Dec 2018

I really appreciate you copying the text. I try to do that when I'm citing a reference that requires login. Of course, there's some limit to how much we can legitimately cut-n-paste.

The other issue is that any conversations on that platform are also hidden. Just like at DU, some of the jewels are not in the OP but in the responses.

moondust

(20,006 posts)
15. Excellent.
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 06:53 PM
Dec 2018

Last edited Mon Dec 31, 2018, 10:06 PM - Edit history (1)

K/R

I suspect some idiots who get caught up in globalized crime syndicates may develop God complexes and start to believe they're too superior to get caught by the dumb little cops. That could help explain Trump, Manafort, and others now finding out otherwise and not handling it well because...they're still idiots.

House of Roberts

(5,186 posts)
22. The FBI and CIA are working at cross-purposes.
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 07:01 PM
Dec 2018
To combat that threat, Mueller said, the FBI had shifted focus "from a law-enforcement agency to a national security service that is threat-driven and intelligence-led."


Our whole intelligence service needs remodeling to combat this.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
30. Good article. I fear, though, that the hard evidence of everything may not come forth.
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 08:08 PM
Dec 2018

It's tough to get hard evidence of the ones at the top. It's much easier to get the direct fixers and doers of the deeds.

But I hope.

I am just so thankful that Rosenstein chose Mueller to be the Special Counsel. If the evidence can be gotten, he and his team will get it.

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)
31. Very good summary . . .
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 08:11 PM
Dec 2018

Of what I've been reading for months on end. The 'conspiracy' is global in nature and those involved are mobster-linked, people recruited, compromised and/or willingly complicit in destroying the western democracies & Rule of Law while gobbling up wealth, influence and power for themselves. The tentacles are everywhere: Heads of State, other government officials, business men/women, financiers, lobbyists, PR agencies and players, journalists and news agencies, various organizations (think NRA), any means and/or conduit that could further the spread of corruption, deception and absolute dominance.

So when we hear complaints about how long Mueller is taking or in Giuliani's words, "Put up or shut up," it's important to remember the sheer scale of the investigation which--if Richardson and those I'v been reading are correct--will go down as the most extensive criminal investigation in history. And, if Mueller and his dedicated team are successful in blowing this global network apart, destroying it at the root? They'll go down in history as the Heroes of Democracy, akin to a whole team of George Washingtons.

It's also a chilling reminder: this is how close we came to losing everything.


Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
32. Mueller spoke in 2011 to tell us that the FBI had already transformed to address this type of threat
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 08:40 PM
Dec 2018

No doubt he hit the ground running the moment he was named Special Counsel. Imagine how much data was already known to the FBI before the investigation officially began!

America-centric thought at this juncture is limiting. This is a global phenomena, and our leadership has been compromised, but the head of the beast must be decapitated. Trump is not the head of the beast. He's that mushroom-looking skin deformity that will also need to be excised.

Vinca

(50,308 posts)
37. I've been wondering if any members of Congress will be taken down, too.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 08:10 AM
Jan 2019

Not only was their obvious obstruction by a member of Congress (Nunes), it's likely Russian money fell on their heads like raindrops. I wouldn't be surprised to find the Turtle turned into soup.

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

yardwork

(61,712 posts)
41. I am certain that Jill Stein was either a witting or unwitting agent for Putin.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 12:53 PM
Jan 2019

I believe that other political campaigns received Russian funding as well, whether the candidates know or not.

dlk

(11,578 posts)
39. We are Witnessing the "Iron Triangle" in the White House
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 12:35 PM
Jan 2019

It is definitely a new day for organized crime as we witness events unfold in the Trump administration. Who could have ever imagined...

Woodycall

(259 posts)
42. When you think about it...
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:14 PM
Jan 2019

Most, if not all, of the bad things that have been visited upon humanity throughout history (other than those with purely natural causes) had behind them, some form of organized crime. Any form of Monarchistic governing is a form of organized crime. The Church at various periods was rife with corruption and criminal ulterior goals. When we think about the Nazis, the Holocaust is always first and foremost but if you look a little deeper, their equally great crime was stealing. Stealing land (the source of all wealth), stealing possessions, stealing the gold out of their victims teeth. Schindler's List did an excellent job of illustrating that. The profits of any war have never escaped the attention of the sinister criminals among us. You can carry this on to other things as well. Predatory lending and indeed the entire banking cabal is a form of organized crime. The colluding pharmaceutical "industry" is really just organized crime. Seeking government office as path to wealth invites organized crime into the structure of government.

This is what I sent to my son a few days ago:

https://prospect.org/article/it-was-vulture-capitalism-killed-sears

Explain to me how this is any different than what "Big Paulie" did to the restaurant in Good Fellas. Organized crime. Our planet's biggest problems are not, and never have been, resource problems, technology problems, economic problems, or enthusiasm problems. It's biggest problems are criminal problems. And that has ALWAYS been the primary problem.

I get a great sense of vindication from this article/post as I have been preaching the same to anyone who will listen for several years now.

KT2000

(20,588 posts)
47. well said -
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 03:03 PM
Jan 2019

that is how unregulated capitalism works. Consolidation and collusion leave just a few to rule over a cannibalized state.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
44. This meshes with Seth Abramson's exposition on the "Grand Bargain" of six.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:41 PM
Jan 2019

Saudi Arabia, Russia, UAE, Qatar, Israel, US.

This (below) is what the entire Trump-Russia investigation is now about. Please share this image widely, as it will be *the* crucial information in the months ahead, now that Prince and Nader's cover is wholly blown. More on all of this in PROOF OF COLLUSION.

[link:https://screenshots.firefox.com/2vmyRRVeMsDrK9Vo/twitter.com|

calimary

(81,500 posts)
51. This is extremely compelling. Sounds pretty doggone spot-on to me.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 03:49 PM
Jan 2019

Good find, pnwmom! No - OUTSTANDING find! Thanks for posting it here

malaise

(269,181 posts)
54. He left out folks linked to several international sporting bodies
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 03:54 PM
Jan 2019

but many are now in prison and were shut down by the FBI and others watching the kleptocracy and criminality.

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