that person will be revealed as the worst person on earth. It's fair to objectively discuss pros and cons of any candidate but let's leave the inevitable character assassination to the GOP.

will be an even bigger target. I can't recall any candidate who was treated the same way Hillary was, not even her husband.

Clinton DID in her 3 am attack on Obama, claim that she AND JOHN McCAIN were ready on day one and implied Obama was not. Bernie, on the other hand, mostly stayed away from any mention of what he in a debate when specifically asked as speaking about her damn emails.

Clinton surrogate Bob Kerrey actually spoke of Obama going to a madrassa. Clinton 2008 was far more negative in its attacks on Obama than Sanders was against Clinton in the 2016 primaries -- and Obama then made her Secretary of State!

while hoping it isn't repeated in 2020. The 2008 campaign is what it was.

You're not alone.

on the Democratic side as unusual in quality or quantity. I think there was actually MORE attacks in 2008 between the candidates than in 2016 -- and they were harsher. That is MY opinion.

I don't think Sanders will get the momentum he would need to get the nomination. If anything, his being in might disadvantage others on the progressive side of the party as Sanders will hold a large share of their votes in the early stage when every serious candidate will need to show significant support. It is entirely possible to be a serious politician with a great resume but to not see (or get) a viable path to getting enough support. An example is Joe Biden who in 2004 tested the water but saw John Kerry, who shared his foreign policy expertise, getting more traction - and then in 2008, Hillary Clinton was the experience candidate. In both cases, had they dropped out, Biden would likely have gained some of their support.

I would guess the beneficiary of Sanders opting out would be Sherrod Brown and Elizabeth Warren -- and for the more extreme Sanders supporters, Tulsi Gabbard.

The people who are constantly bashing Bernie for his campaign should watch those clips. Then they should consider how Bernie would have campaigned (about the emails and other things) if he actually had been the evil monster they try to paint him as.

When they say that, I see this:

Questioning Hart's experience. What's so bad about that?

My point is that Clinton's personal attack on Obama in the 2008 primary was more negative than any ad that Bernie ran in 2016. Anyone who criticizes Bernie while giving Clinton a pass is applying a double standard.

ETA: The context was that I was responding to a post that's since been removed, which bashed Bernie concerning the 2016 primary.

(But ended up defending Obama half the time.)

Go after the real enemy.

'Name Callers for Tribal Unification'

Or nicktoo for short.

EW will be just fine. Republicans don't like her but Democrats don't give a rats ass about what they think.

That voted for and continue to support him. Bright shiny object was intended as a minor insult but really doesn't come across as such.

My point is that there is often a false equivalency given to Republican criticism and Democratic controversy or debate.

Also, I'll take a bright shiny Democrat every chance I get.

Annihilate any prospective leader of the Democratic Party.

attacks that HRC did. It has already started with Trump's "psychiatrist" bullshit comment.

I assume she is fully aware of this and perhaps has considered how best to fight back. Yes, she made a misstep with how she handled the Native American heritage issue, but that will be minor compared to what is coming.

It isn't just Trump and it isn't just his RW ilck. Much of society-- hell a few on DU, have shown real bias, if not blatant bigotry towards older candidates-- especially older women candidates. Ageism and misogyny may differ by degree on the Right and the Left, but it is there nonetheless.

The 70-somethings have had a great run, but they can't do this forever.

Ugly and ridiculous.

I do not want Hillary, Bernie, Liz, or Joe to run in 2020. Obviously if any of them do, I will happily vote for any of hem in the general.

But in the primaries, not a chance.

Maybe try the Wikipedia?

This ain't it.

You are fooling no one.

Still using words that do not apply.

Keep it up, though.

I see others are no longer wasting time with you either. Enjoy your time here, however brief. But, just know, your ugly ageism will not play well.

You find facts scary. I get it, but it will be ok.

Would you like a ?

At least I HOPE you are smoking something.. Ugly ageism is not your only issue, it seems.

I need more popcorn.

I'm sure you are here to incite with more ugly ageism, but I'm not biting.

(hint; wanting new blood in your party leadership is not ageist)

I'll still be here, bro.

Maybe that will improve for you with age and more education-- one can only hope.

I forgot to check in on you.

Doing ok, bro? Free hugs if you still need em. Won't make you be less wrong, but maybe you'll feel less wrong.

and thank you for saying so.

And the disrespect for the elders in this country is off the charts.

My money's on her.

Not ready to slap down my money yet though.

the ‘her Native American heritage reveal was such a colossal failure’ argument that it will soon become ‘her emails’ in the political lexicon.

Stop this criticism of Warren’s NA announcement! It just falls into the right wing/Fox News smear of her.

She is just as qualified as anyone else.

Just wait until she starts reporting her campaign contributions to the FEC. That's when those Trumpy assholes will get a whiff of just how many $10 and $20 donations have come her way. Beto taught us that it can be done big time.

And who knows, maybe the RNC is now scared shitless to take Russian rubles this cycle. I'm sure Mueller has his eye on that.

Hey, we're going to have so much fun this election cycle. We're going to have a whole bunch of great candidates to inspire us.

I want to hear a Dem POTUS candidate label Trump as "vulgar." That would so make my day!

and she was great. But, on television she often seems to be screaming. I don't know why that is.

But she's a helluva fighter and I'd gladly vote for her.

by the time the GOP shit-flinging machine is done with her she will not be a nationally attractive candidate, but maybe she's going for a distraction play to keep it away from other candidates.

I hope your correct! I hope there will be a couple others that join her in being that irresistible target Republicans waste all their powder on!!

Trump is already trying to make her sound crazy.

like the most enthusiastic endorsement for her announcement yesterday. There seems to be a dearth of those in this forum this morning, in fact.



I'll admit that she's not the progressive candidate I'm looking for in 2020 ... but she's certainly in the top two.

Drives me nuts when people pop up saying, "why can't we have candidates that don't cause shitstorms?"

Perhaps it just goes with the territory.

Another poster downthread suggests Warren is more bulletproof than others, which is kinda laughable at first blush. On the flip side, we just finished watching Beto O'Rourke nearly upset Ted Cruz here in Texas, where the enlightened Rethugs who live in the boondocks were calling him a Communist.

Shitstorms gonna shitstorm.

They’ll wait to see who the nominee is.

Who would they most like to run against?

I don't know, but I'm sure their influence will be felt.

since the month of the inauguration.

She appears to be one of the more bullet-proof candidates I have seen for a while. Better bona fides than Obama when he ran...she, much like Obama, knows how to speak to youth and to truth to power...and I see her hard-scrabble upbringing in Oklahoma as a positive to counter all the Massachusetts liberal label we know will be thrown around by the media on behalf of Republicans.

...look what they gave us, that Orange Lard ass in the Whitehouse that loves to play the dozens and get angry when he doesn't get praised.
A big baby that happens to be a bully. He's everything that our parents taught us not to be.
He's sooo sensitive Dems should all be calling him everything in the book to hurt his feelings and then watch how hard he wines.

It's part of the playbook.

Besides, all we need is one repug candidate to run against trumpy as an independent and he will forget all about fighting with Warren, or Beto or Kamala etc etc etc

That fast a u-turn means somebody probably got to them.
Ad customer threatening their ad revenue, perhaps.

Her knowledge of banking and finance is second to none, and we could use that expertise in the White House.

It's up to us to build a legislative agenda and a campaign strategy that can help any Democrat win.

Kudos to her for standing up. We should be standing up too. Negative ads are a part of the process these days, but they can be overcome with an outstanding campaign.

I am a big fan of Warren, although name recognition is probably the first big challenge. I think a Sherrod Brown-Amy Kloubuchar ticket is unbeatable. With that said, Elizabeth Warren is a wise and effective advocate for policies that benefit Main Street economies. I am looking forward to her campaign.

An all-Midwestern ticket with an economic populist up top...we could do much worse. As in a career prosecutor from California with no meaningful standing on economic issues. Not seeing the wisdom of Harris for Prez. This election will be about strengthening government’s hand in relation to capital. Warren has spent a lifetime thinking about that.

Warren will force the entire field to up their game on the economy which is where the election will be decided. We’re fortunate to have her run.

I am not yet very familiar with Harris, so I would like to learn more about what her issues of focus and governing personality might be. I have learned more about Warren through her national profile for several years.

A Midwestern ticket like Brown-Kloubuchar would be very hard to beat in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and even Ohio and Iowa. Any viable candidate needs to demonstrate potential strength in these states.

It’s that simple. The ability to do that should be the lens through which all potential nominees are evaluated.

they would have voted for her impeachment daily as soon as she was inaugurated.

It may be even worse than what Beto got the last week or so, she may be more of a threat than him.

. . . and the Republicans would reveal him as the worst human on the face of the Earth, ever.

We all know The Lord and Savior is a Republican.


(for the impaired)

we could weather their onslaught. Yes we do and should prefer our own choices but to support the attack platform rather than logically looking at the reasons we should or shouldn’t vote for someone and leaving the vitriol out of it would help us A lot.

That will dog her for all-time. It's unfair, but also reality.

Ask Gary Hart, Howard Dean, and John Edwards.

It doesn’t mean anything to have 1/1024 Native American ancestry if she has no ties to their politics or culture.

People who are propping this thing up are supporting the rather racist and discredited "one drop rule" from the 19th century.

she did go rather near it.

I'm seeing that a lot and don't understand why it's bad. Could you explain, please?

The RW will take over for you later.

Not much we can do about that.

look for wall street, corporations, health care industry, prison industry, military industrial, etc, etc to spend billions to oppose anyone threatening their interest$$$

Did she decide that this moment in history was the right time to make any announcement about running for POTUS?

Seems to me we should be focused on what's happening in the House, getting the government shut down fixed, and everything else that will be coming down the road for the next few weeks.

Would it really have mattered to her run if she had waited till say, February?

All a troll has to do is use the words DLC, Third Way, Clintonista, etc., and a not will retweet the attack on Warren, since she is an actual Democrat.

Getting it from the GOP and media is to be expected. Having it repeated by Dems/liberals/progressives/Greens/Independents is just nauseating as hell.

Some Democrats are already demonizing her, including some here on DU.

have voted for her if only she had run instead of Hillary? Bet that will be forgotten in a heartbeat.

have my vote in a minute." How many times did we hear that.

Now it's but ... but ... but, she botched the DNA thing. WEAK CANDIDATE.

laughs too loud.