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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:27 PM Jan 2019

State Bill Calls for Teachers to Be Fired if They Discuss 'Controversial Issues'

A new bill introduced in the Arizona legislature would punish teachers—possibly with firing—for broaching any “controversial issue” with their students that doesn’t have to do with what they are teaching. House Bill 2002, introduced by State Rep. Mark Finchem, calls for the state’s Board of Education “to provide for an educator code of ethics and professional responsibility,” with penalties for violations “that include termination of employment.”

“Controversial issue” is defined as “an issue that is a point in a political party platform at the local, state or federal level.”

Rachel Johnson, a teacher representative for Arizona Educators United, thinks the bill is meant to attack her organization’s #RedForEd movement, which calls for greater teacher compensation.

“I don’t understand why he would come up with this bill,” she said about Finchem in comments to the Arizona Daily Star. “Any response to what teachers may say or may not say — I think they’re very threatened by us at this point.”

https://lawandcrime.com/politics/state-bill-calls-for-teachers-to-be-fired-if-they-discuss-controversial-issues/

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State Bill Calls for Teachers to Be Fired if They Discuss 'Controversial Issues' (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Jan 2019 OP
They mean stuff like this? Girard442 Jan 2019 #1
Stuff just like that JDC Jan 2019 #3
...or, "Oh say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave over the land of the free and the home of th lindysalsagal Jan 2019 #4
Does this seriously have any chance of passing? Ohiogal Jan 2019 #2
we shouldn't be talknig about social issues in SCHOOL??????????? Takket Jan 2019 #5
Mao and Hitler rounded up the intellectuals, too. Even those with eye glasses. lindysalsagal Jan 2019 #6
List of non-controvercial topics allowed in schools: lindysalsagal Jan 2019 #7
I'm not sure about the math part ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #11
Civics...Don't forget Civics. Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #12
What if EVERY teacher in Arizona was fired? ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2019 #8
That's the end game. lindysalsagal Jan 2019 #13
Charter schools? Church schools? keithbvadu2 Jan 2019 #9
When I was in school Ohiogal Jan 2019 #10
Taking advice from Delores Umbridge? uppityperson Jan 2019 #14
This sounds about as constitutional as the anti-BDS clause being enforced currently in Texas pecosbob Jan 2019 #15
It's one of those things I look at and shrug. Igel Jan 2019 #16

Girard442

(6,081 posts)
1. They mean stuff like this?
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:31 PM
Jan 2019
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

lindysalsagal

(20,712 posts)
4. ...or, "Oh say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave over the land of the free and the home of th
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:39 PM
Jan 2019

the brave?"

Not asking if the flag is still up on the pole, but if our country is still free and brave. Sounds like VERY contoversial questions to me?????

lindysalsagal

(20,712 posts)
6. Mao and Hitler rounded up the intellectuals, too. Even those with eye glasses.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:40 PM
Jan 2019

Thinking is a treat to a totalitarian regime.

lindysalsagal

(20,712 posts)
7. List of non-controvercial topics allowed in schools:
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:47 PM
Jan 2019

1. Butterflies.
2. Flowers.
3. Math.
4. Geology-wait...maybe not...
5. Physical fitness I guess is OK.
6. ....



Ummm, that leaves out languages, social studies, science (creationists don't like it, nor do global warming haters), music, art,

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
11. I'm not sure about the math part
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 02:15 PM
Jan 2019

Wouldn't they be opposed to non Euclidean geometry? Isn't that a type of witchcraft?

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
12. Civics...Don't forget Civics.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 02:21 PM
Jan 2019

The same parents who can't help their kids with homework with things like math and English,(?) suddenly have the time to police what's said in school? Come on Arizona.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
8. What if EVERY teacher in Arizona was fired?
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:54 PM
Jan 2019

For speaking up on "controversial issues" that concerns them like this stupid law being thought up.

I bet the asshole Legislator did not think about that point.

keithbvadu2

(36,846 posts)
9. Charter schools? Church schools?
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 02:02 PM
Jan 2019

Charter schools? Church schools?

Those kids also deserve such protection from harmful ideas.

Ohiogal

(32,020 posts)
10. When I was in school
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 02:05 PM
Jan 2019

We discussed current events in Civics class. I suppose this would be outlawed under this idiotic bill.

How do these nitwits expect kids to understand current issues if they are prohibited from discussing them in school? Sounds like Nazi rule to me.

Igel

(35,323 posts)
16. It's one of those things I look at and shrug.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 04:10 PM
Jan 2019

Right now if you discuss a controversial issue anything might happen.

I've seen more than a few threads here calling for teachers' heads for discussing controversial issues. Always (R) teachers. And saying such things should be banned--in other words, for this law. (I've also seen applause for teachers' discussing controversial issues. Always progressive or liberal viewpoints.)

I've also seen extensive hissing over a few teachers' suspended for discussing liberal or progressive viewspoints in very conservative areas, and calling for it to be banned. Like this law would do.

It's not the discussing that's the problem. It's "controversial"--talk about guaranteed jobs or defend Obamacare, and it's not controversial. For us. Talk favorably of work requirements or against Obamacare, and it's grounds for termination for cause, so controversial. For us.

Same for LGBT... issues. Race. Not just politics.

I see students have the same biases. "Mr. Pilchard is outrageous--all those RW talking points. Now, Mr. Herring, he's biased." "Because he touts Cuba as a good example?" "Now you got it." Meanwhile, across the room, "Mr. Pilchard understands Americans, not like that socialist Mr. Herring." It goes home. Parents get involved. And the APs tell teachers to cool it.

It's a stupid law, mostly because so many people (by my observation) want it, but only want it to apply to opposing viewpoints. Freedom of speech, of course, applies to *our* viewpoints. It gets silly.

Even if Mr. Pilchard and Mr. Herring are history or economics teachers and the issues are germane to their classes, there is no debate for many topics; even the textbooks themselves are propagandistic. There is merely my side telling the truth and the other side actively engaged in propaganda and subversion. If you're playing devil's advocate, well, there you are, you're testifying that you personally side with and support the dark lord himself, Darth Sauron. ("That's not what that word means! And there was no 'Darth Sauron'." "Don't try to confuse me, you Satan worshipper!&quot

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