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turbinetree

(24,709 posts)
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:31 PM Jan 2019

U.S. Navy pursuing block buy of two aircraft carriers: senator

POLITICS DECEMBER 31, 2018 / 7:23 PM / UPDATED 16 HOURS AGO

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Navy has informed lawmakers of its intent to pursue a block purchase of two Ford-class aircraft carriers, Senator Tim Kaine’s office said on Monday, a step officials have said could save billions of dollars as the Trump administration tries to expand the size of the fleet.

The decision comes nine months after the Navy expressed interest in a block buy and asked shipbuilder Huntington Ingalls Industries for detailed pricing on the cost of two aircraft carriers as it considered doubling its order for the most expensive ship in the U.S. fleet in a bid to save money.

The Navy commissioned the first Ford-class aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald R. Ford, in July 2017, three years behind schedule and billions of dollars over budget. The Ford cost about $13 billion.

The Navy has said it would spend about $43 billion in total to build the first three ships in the Ford class. Huntington Ingalls Chief Executive Mike Petters has said multi-ship purchases are the best way to reduce costs.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-defense-carriers/u-s-navy-pursuing-block-buy-of-two-aircraft-carriers-senator-idUSKCN1OV189

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U.S. Navy pursuing block buy of two aircraft carriers: senator (Original Post) turbinetree Jan 2019 OP
Reading the headline of the post Sherman A1 Jan 2019 #1
The Navy doesn't buy senators. JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2019 #2
The rest of the world has zero actual fleet aircraft carriers. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #3
Precisely. Xolodno Jan 2019 #4
Probably not overkill. Adrahil Jan 2019 #5
They're actually called "Carrier Strike Groups". SKKY Jan 2019 #6
Thanks! NT Adrahil Jan 2019 #13
We have way too many carriers Captain_New_York Jan 2019 #8
A small carrier the size of a country? PCIntern Jan 2019 #10
Well, it's a matter of perspective. Adrahil Jan 2019 #14
Not sure we need 11-12 aircraft carriers. There are other ways to project force. Persondem Jan 2019 #7
5,000 sailors at sea gotta eat. oasis Jan 2019 #12
Trump wants to name one the USS Donald Trump ... lpbk2713 Jan 2019 #9
I thought ALL our ships would be named TRUMP PCIntern Jan 2019 #11

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
1. Reading the headline of the post
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 01:51 PM
Jan 2019

I was wondering if they were buying two carriers and a senator or if that would be an additional purchase?

Voltaire2

(13,095 posts)
3. The rest of the world has zero actual fleet aircraft carriers.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 04:48 PM
Jan 2019

At best other countries have one or two mid size carriers or smaller ships capable of launching helicopters or vtols.

Xolodno

(6,398 posts)
4. Precisely.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 05:00 PM
Jan 2019

Aircraft Carriers are designed to project power. Move air power to protect fleets of troops and equipment and/or conduct air raids on hostiles.

Believe China and Russia have some Aircraft Carriers slated, but they appear to be designed to project power regionally as opposed to globally like ours. Probably why the Navy wants them, a good reminder who holds the big stick. With that said....

...even the current fleet is probably overkill already.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
5. Probably not overkill.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 05:46 PM
Jan 2019

Power projection in relative peacetime in the main mission of modern Carrier Battle Groups (CBG). In short, the ability the put quite a bit of American air power within striking distance of a potential hotpot within a week or so.

To do that, you need between 3 and 4 active CBGs.


At any one time, about a third of carrier are in the shipyards undergoing maintenance/refit. Another third are in port, between deployments. And another third are actively deployed. With 11 active CVN's in the fleet, that means 3 or 4 actively deployed CBGs. The Navy would probably be more comfortable with 4 or 5. But even if they don't expand the fleet, keep in mind 2 of our current VN's (CV-68, USS NIMITZ, and CVN-69, USS DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER) are both over 40 years old.

Captain_New_York

(161 posts)
8. We have way too many carriers
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 06:03 PM
Jan 2019

We have 11 large carriers that for the most part are twice the size of any other nations carriers who only have one (and are allies of the US). We have another 9 small carriers the same size as most countrie’s carriers
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_carrier#/media/File%3AWorld_Navy_Aircraft_carries_chart.svg

We have carriers that could put over 1,100 planes afloat no other country (again mostly allies ) can put more than 50

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
14. Well, it's a matter of perspective.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 09:05 PM
Jan 2019

We are the only nation that project that kind of power globally. If we don’t want to perform that mission, then obviously we don’t need the carriers. But we would be giving up a unique capability.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
7. Not sure we need 11-12 aircraft carriers. There are other ways to project force.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 06:02 PM
Jan 2019

Another perspective ...
From this 2015 article ... https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/10/navy-aircraft-carrier-spending-budget-defense/


"The newest carrier, the U.S.S. Gerald R. Ford, to be commissioned next year, cost $12.8 billion. Add the costs of the air wing, the support of five surface-combat ships and one attack submarine, and 6,700 sailors. The bill for operating a carrier group: $2.5 million a day. " (emphasis added)

That 13 billion is just for the carrier; the planes are extra. Plus it's 2.5 million dollars a day per carrier group.

Sub launched cruise missiles can project force rather well as can B-2 bombers.

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