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https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/423410-ohio-doctor-who-said-she-would-give-jews-the-wrong-meds-firedA hospital in Cleveland reportedly fired a resident after it was discovered she had been sharing anti-Semitic comments on social media.
Cleveland.com reported on Sunday that the Cleveland Clinic confirmed that Lara Kollab is no longer working with the organization after having only worked as a supervised resident with the clinic from July to September last year.
She is no longer working at Cleveland Clinic. In no way do these beliefs reflect those of our organization. We fully embrace diversity, inclusion and a culture of safety and respect across our entire health system, the organization also said in a statement on Sunday.
According to Times of Israel, Kollab had a history of making anti-Semitic comments on social media for years, dating back to 2011.
Kollab had reportedly called for violence against Jews in several tweets, in which she also referred to Jews as "dogs" and compared Israel to the Nazi regime.
Kollab could also be seen saying she would purposely give all the yahood the wrong meds, using the Arabic word for Jews, in a screenshot of a tweet made in 2012 shared by the publication.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)the most basic violation of hipocratic oath.
if the charges are true, of course.
Ms. Toad
(34,082 posts)Her license was issued July 2018 - long after extensive anti-semitic tweeting.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,082 posts)As blatant and prolific as she was.
Attorney character and fitness screening almost certainly would, (part of my job is working with students who get caught being naughty, and are delayed or prohibited from taking the bar exam because of it). Physicians can do a lot more direct harm.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,961 posts)
not be a doctor, anywhere! For another thing, who would want a doctor this stupid?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Demovictory9
(32,467 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Kind of messed up that someone can keep posting this kind of thing for years and years on their platform without consequence.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... used to work at one the have the human language down to a science.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)Accepted to med school and for this job? They are supposed to screen for this kind of thing. She needs to be reviewed and have her license revoked.
Ms. Toad
(34,082 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)I think professional schools and licensing boards are grappling with how to incorporate social media into their screening processes.
When I was first licensed tnpractice - long before the advent of social media - the background/fitness evaluation included interviews with my self-selected references and criminal record checks and not much mote. I suspect that layering in social media presence makes this all more complicated (not to mention expensive and time-consuming) and has to follow certain protocols in order to protect privacy, free speech, etc.
That said, this incident reveals a big gap in the process - it will be interesting to see how this develops.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)I do know that other job reviews look at online presence so it needs to be done for med and other grad schools as well in a way that doesnt impinge on peoples rights. It is not hard to do though, just google etc. I did that myself and found some very disturbing things written by a student who was a sociopath who wanted to follow a similar career path.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)We're not talking about looking up one person - we're talking about processes for investigating hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people. And not just the processes for looking up things, but how to handle the information. For example, how is the body to determine if someone is just speaking their mind or is a psychopath possess some other problem making them not worthy of being licensed? How is this communicated to applicant. What process is there for appeals? How is privacy protected? How do they guard against political pressure or harassment?
It's very complicated.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)It is not hard to determine that this woman should not have been accepted into medical school or a residency. The acceptance panel in each school has to do it. They do it in other professions and for political candidates etc. there has to be a way.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)demonstrated she shouldn't be a doctor.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)I assume the statement about harming her Jewish patients by giving them the wrong meds was before med school and this residency but either way she will not practice medicine here anymore due to this. She should have her license revoked as well and she should not have been accepted to med school in this country if she was expressing any anti semitism online. If the med school had known any of this in advance she would not have been accepted which is the way it should be.
* Editing this to ad more from an article about this- there is no way she would have been accepted to med school based on these statements and if you really think those other statemnents dont disqualify her something is seriously wrong with what you think.
According to the Canary Mission, Kollab's posts called for violence against Jews, defended Hamas, trivialized the Holocaust and repeatedly compared Israel to Nazi Germany. The group saved dozens of similar posts from 2011-2017.
In one now-deleted tweet from 2012, Kollab said, "ill purposely give all the yahood the wrong meds..." Yahood is an Arabic term for Jewish people. Other tweets made reference to "Jewish dogs" and said in Arabic, "Allah will take the Jews."
OneBro
(1,159 posts)More about the hate-filled Lara Kollab here: https://canarymission.org/individual/Lara_Kollab
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)How she ever got to be a doctor anywhere is amazing. This woman should have her license revoked. She is a danger to society, particularly Jews or anyone who she might even think is Jewish.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)NotASurfer
(2,153 posts)People do change, will have to watch this space to see what if anything happens by way of atonement
But if she won't disown her own words then she's "qualified" in this administration and may have just auditioned for a White House physician job. Actual medical qualification not necessary
Initech
(100,090 posts)Racists and white supremacists don't know they are being racist until they are called out on it. And then when they are, they rarely apologize for it. It's a classic pattern of behavior.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and then whine about how the Jews are keeping her from working. And they'll be plenty that fall for that BS.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That's what she would probably say.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's what she did say.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Pretty revolting stuff.
AJT
(5,240 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 2, 2019, 07:46 AM - Edit history (1)
So, I would say that is doubtful.
Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)Residents operate under a provisonal license which is terminated automatically when their employment ends. If she wants to get a license she would have to find and complete another residency.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)Anywhere.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Ever.
Soph0571
(9,685 posts)oh my!
dalton99a
(81,543 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Touro College Of Osteopathic Medicine is not an "Orthodox Jewish school" despite what "Israellycool" says.
onenote
(42,724 posts)Maybe not the med school itself, however.
http://lcw.touro.edu/about-us/exceptional-education-orthodox-values/
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I think that would be a misleading characterization.
But the affiliation is worth noting and the point is taken.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Historic NY
(37,452 posts)the school you identified is only one. In the Hudson Valley they bought an entire hospital as a campus. Its in Middletown NY.
[link:https://www.touro.edu/about/|]
[link:http://tourocom.touro.edu/|]
lapucelle
(18,291 posts)It is a Jewish university system in the same way that Notre Dame, Georgetown, and Fordham are Catholic University systems.
https://www.touro.edu/about/jewish-heritage/
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)The Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine is committed to training osteopathic physicians, with a particular emphasis on practicing medicine in underserved communities, and to increasing the number of underrepresented minorities in medicine.
We value and support public service, research, graduate medical education, and osteopathic clinical service in the community that will strive to improve health outcomes for those we serve.
We will work to educate students through the use of the latest innovative education techniques using summative and formative measures so as to graduate qualified osteopathic physicians.
Goals
Graduate qualified osteopathic physicians
Promote the practice of medicine in underserved areas
Increase the number of underrepresented in medicine (URM) physicians
Improve health outcomes in the community through public service, research, osteopathic clinical service, and graduate medical education.
https://tourocom.touro.edu/about-us/our-mission--vision/
Part of TouroCOMs mission is to help more underrepresented minority students become doctors, as well as having our graduates serve in underrepresented areas. Staying true to our mission, in Fall 2018 we welcomed the Class of 2022, and with them, 37 minority students, our largest number to date.
https://tourocom.touro.edu/about-us/our-students/underrepresented-communities/
It does not even appear to have a Jewish student group (based on the list of student organizations on the site).
Again, I recognize the Jewish affiliation with the umbrella college/university system but I do not think it is accurate to say that she "attended an Orthodox Jewish school".
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Neither does Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Orthodox_Jewish_universities_and_colleges
Neither does forward magazine published by and for Jews:
https://forward.com/life/379408/best-colleges-for-orthodox-jews/
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The Rabbinical Council of America is not talking about Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine when they describe colleges and universities that 11th and 12th grade Orthodox Jewish students should consider attending to continue their study of Torah.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)They would be looking at undergraduate programs.
It seemed evident to me that the RCA was talking about undergraduate experiences based on their references to 11th and 12th grade students and their parents in the link you provided.
You are right in the broader sense that the Touro College and University System is definitely affiliated with Orthodox Judaism. I would just dispute the characterization that this woman went to an Orthodox Jewish school, which implies something different than what her med school experience probably was, at least to me.
In any case, I am happy to drop it.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Their college of medicine is quite small and is typical for most colleges of medicine it's not co-located with the rest of the university system. So yeah, you aren't going to get the full Orthodox Jewish experience there, but I'm not sure there's any other medical schools where this is the case at least in the US.
Still it seems quite ironic such a rabid anti-Semite would get a medical degree there. She would have certainly been surrounded by Orthodox Jews and would have received instruction from others.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Or at least confined it to her online personae.
The Truth Is Here
(354 posts)They must have seperated itself from them, but the principles are still the same.
Same for Cardozo School of Law. My sister graduated from there while it was still part of YU.
LakeSuperiorView
(1,533 posts)whathehell
(29,069 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)LakeSuperiorView
(1,533 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)She uses "Yahood" to refer to Jews in her tweets - that might give a hint.
LakeSuperiorView
(1,533 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Please stop assuming the poster is an idiot because your sense of humor is lacking.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I would guess an Arab Christian.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Response to oberliner (Reply #54)
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oberliner
(58,724 posts)It is certainly possible that she is Muslim, but my guess is Christian Arab.
Lara is definitely not a Muslim girl's name.
Response to oberliner (Reply #66)
lapucelle This message was self-deleted by its author.
Mosby
(16,328 posts)One of her tweets:
May Allah take back [end the lives] of the Jews so we stop being forced to go to those unclean ones,' according to The Jerusalem Post.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I think her family could be Palestinian but I get the feeling she is not Muslim - but that is just a hunch.
Mosby
(16,328 posts)The article said palestinian descent, whatever that means.
Its more likely she's a christian if egyptian, lebanese, iraqi.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)But I don't know if a Christian Arab would say Allah rather than God when writing/speaking in English.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)But, it's often a necessary tool to better maintain an implausible deniability.
Good luck!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And with further research, I have determined that I do not believe she is Muslim.
Shame on me for jumping to conclusions.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)And yet still be so ignorant.
cabot
(724 posts)On the one hand, it closes us off from humanity and makes us more insular - but on the other hand, it exposes idiots.
She should be stripped of her license. She's violating the Hippocratic Oath.
samplegirl
(11,488 posts)husband works there as an anthesiologist. She told me the clinic put a lot of pressure on her husband to vote Trump! Not surprising though as republicans have a large base in Cleveland.
cabot
(724 posts)but it has nothing to do with a resident making anti-semitic remarks. The clinic should never put pressure on anyone to vote any way - be it for democrats, republicans, etc. The clinic did the right thing in firing someone who said she wouldn't provide medicine to a particular group of people.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)So not sure how republicans have a large base in Cleveland?
atreides1
(16,084 posts)While this person is a disgusting human being...can anyone provide a legal reason as to why she should not have been licensed as an MD?
cabot
(724 posts)when she said she wouldn't give proper medical care to Jewish people. The main tenet of the HO is "first, do no harm." She violated it.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)area51
(11,916 posts)Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)media before accepting her?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I have no idea how that sort of thing works. Can you point me in the right direction?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)And then apply the same standards to yourself when you ask questions of others.
Easy-peasy, chuck and cheesy.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Maybe someone who has applied for a residency or been to med school?
Just doing a blind internet search is often less effective than reaching out to friendly folks in a discussion forum.
But if you know a good site to check out - I would be happy to do some digging!
FakeNoose
(32,680 posts)She was only there from July to September 2018 according to the Clinic. Typically a resident is someone who has finished medical school and is waiting to be licensed to practice. The time of their residence would depend on their specialty and how long it takes them to pass the tests.
My guess is that the Clinic interviewed her and didn't ask about prejudices or antisemitism. If they did ask, she was canny enough to lie about it in order to get the job.
Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)applicants than there are available positions. If you google her name, posts come up from around 2012-2013 with very anti-Jewish remarks. If I remember correctly, the pill remark was made in 2013. I just dont know what their hiring practices are for residents. Seems to me in this day and age that an internet search would be routine, but maybe not.
dalton99a
(81,543 posts)Basically if a residency program interviews an applicant and ranks the person as their #1 choice based on exam scores (United States Medical Licensing Examination Steps 1 & 2), medical school transcripts, letters of recommendation, background check, personal statement, interview scores, etc., and the applicant also ranks the program as their #1 choice, then there is a match (which is legally binding).
Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)dalton99a
(81,543 posts)Residency program directors are very busy people (teaching hospitals are extremely busy places) and they assume their applicants come to them without legal or ethical blemish. But if new information comes to light, they will not hesitate to act. People have had offers rescinded based on the stupidity they uttered on the internet. Lying and bigotry are never tolerated in med school and residency programs.
In It to Win It
(8,267 posts)johnp3907
(3,732 posts)Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)Yes, they make more money than the average Joe. The average Joe doesnt spend a decade or more, in some instances, getting to where they can practice in their specialty.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Bit of a lifestyle change, but Im sure shes down for the struggle.
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)She should not ever have a medical license to practice again.
still_one
(92,302 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)still_one
(92,302 posts)the ACA, etc
He is a sociopath
ooky
(8,926 posts)Now you can devote full time to nurturing your hate.
Iggo
(47,561 posts)Fine, fine people.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)only to piss it all away...
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)anywhere
shenmue
(38,506 posts)If she gave a psychotic patient the wrong meds, they could kill someone.