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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/washington-bans-anyone-under-21-buying-assault-rifles-n953576AP
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SEATTLE Washington on Tuesday joined a handful of other states that ban anyone under 21 from buying a semi-automatic assault rifle after voters passed a sweeping firearms measure in November that has drawn a court challenge from gun-rights advocates.
The ballot initiative seeks to curb gun violence by toughening background checks for people buying assault rifles, increasing the age limit to buy those firearms and requiring the safe storage of all guns. Only the age-limit portion of the measure goes into effect on Jan. 1; the rest becomes law on July 1.
Kristen Ellingboe, a spokeswoman for the Washington Alliance for Gun Responsibility, said the initiative was one of the most comprehensive gun-violence prevention measures to pass in the United States. It specifically targeted "semi-automatic assault rifles" in response to mass shootings across the country, she said.
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Fifty-nine percent of Washington voters approved Initiative 1639 in the Nov. 6 general election.
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SunSeeker
(51,659 posts)applegrove
(118,759 posts)They've changed many a heart.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)Harkens back to earlier days: If you are old enough to serve in the military and be drafted you are old enough to vote. Same concept.
applegrove
(118,759 posts)animals or protection.
iluvtennis
(19,868 posts)aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)I'm one of them.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Or sensible.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Joe941
(2,848 posts)They deserve every right everyone else has.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)They in general aren't powerful enough for deer hunting.
What you care about is the ability to shoot 60 bullets in 60 seconds. That's what I care about too.
The problem is, you've been convinced that "assault weapons" can fire that fast, and other kinds of weapons can't. This is absolutely wrong.
Ban semi-autos, or don't. It's stupid to waste time screwing around with what kind of grip they can have or whether they can have bayonet lugs.
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)Alcohol is already an obnoxious example. You can vote and die in a war, but stay away from that beer!
EarnestPutz
(2,120 posts)...that we should bring back the draft, you know, make everyone
pull their weight.
Hekate
(90,773 posts)Nor do they let soldiers out in leave carry around their weapons of war in civilian populations, unless they happen to be in an active war zone.
We're not talking flintlocks here.
(even tho i don't know what "flintlocks" are)
Hekate
(90,773 posts)They took awhile to load, shoot one bullet, repeat assembly process with powder, ball, rag, etc. The flint was part of the sparking mechanism to make the gunpowder explode and send the single bullet on its way. That was the sort of thing the hallowed and sacred 2nd Amendment was talking about.
Also verbal shorthand for 'difficult and time-consuming to load.'
Hekate
(90,773 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)If we want to ban guns capable of firing a large number of rounds in a short period of time (and I do) then we should just try passing laws that do that. We should not waste time keeping the rate of fire legal but regulating what the gun can look like.
I mean, at this point I'm mildly for it just because it pisses off the MAGA brigade, but a bill that actually solves the problem we're concerned about would also piss off the MAGA brigade, and I'd rather just do that.
Wounded Bear
(58,698 posts)focus on the semi-automatic wording. That means every time you pull the trigger, a bullet goes down range, the cartridge is ejected, and another round is chambered, meaning the weapon will fire virtually as fast as one can pull the trigger.
That simplifies life for mass shooters.
hack89
(39,171 posts)according to CT's Assault Weapon Ban because it didn't have certain cosmetic features.
So yes, in many cases it is about the "grip" or other cosmetic features. No present or proposed AWB actually makes semi-automatic rifles illegal. They ban certain rifles with certain features. But the semi-automatic capability will still be legal.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)A bill that would prevent younger people (or everyone) from buying a semi-automatic would be good.
This law says that if they buy a semi-automatic, it has to have a certain grip shape. I just don't care about that
sl8
(13,864 posts)From https://www.sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/finaltext_1531.pdf
AN ACT Relating to increasing public safety by implementing
firearm safety measures, including requiring enhanced background
checks, waiting periods, and increased age requirements for
semiautomatic assault rifles and secure gun storage for all
firearms; amending RCW 9.41.090, 9.41.092, 9.41.094, 9.41.097,
9.41.0975, 9.41.110, 9.41.113, 9.41.124, 9.41.240, 9.41.129, and
9.41.010; adding new sections to chapter 9.41 RCW; creating new
sections; prescribing penalties; and providing effective dates.
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(25) "Semiautomatic assault rifle" means any rifle which
utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract
the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and which
requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.
"Semiautomatic assault rifle" does not include antique firearms,
any firearm that has been made permanently inoperable, or any
firearm that is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide
action.
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It looks to me that it applies to all semiautomatic rifles.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That's excellent news. It previously had a feature requirement.
Wounded Bear
(58,698 posts)I live in WA state and I got to vote for this.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That will teach me to despair too early
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)as possible from the impact of the ban by throwing in grips, color, etc. If they have to concentrate on anything, concentrate on magazine capacity.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 2, 2019, 02:42 PM - Edit history (1)
They took out the feature language since last year. Great news.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)I'm so glad a campaign finally managed to not make it about grip shapes!
Aristus
(66,444 posts)I joined the Army at seventeen, but wasn't allowed to buy a drink until I was twenty-one. I chafed at the 'unfairness' of it, until I learned that raising the drinking age from 18 to 21 significantly decreased DUI's and deaths from young drinkers.
If gunfuckers want sane and reasonable gun laws, then get to the fucking table.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)caraher
(6,279 posts)I keep telling them it's on them if activists who "don't know anything about guns" are writing bad laws. If responsible gun owners would step forward and propose common-sense rules that are better in the areas they critique, they could get the laws they prefer passed. But since they are stuck on the NRA hard-line against any kind of restrictions whatsoever, they make the choice to let the regulations and laws be written by those willing to make proposals, and passed by voters who want to see limits on the carnage.
applegrove
(118,759 posts)caraher
(6,279 posts)I think some don't like the age restriction. Another gripe regards the training requirement. Supposedly the appropriately vetted and certified courses are not yet available. This is mainly from an Afghanistan vet I know who thinks it's ridiculous that he has to jump through all these hoops when he was handed fully automatic weapons at age 18 and everything turned out fine (well, apart from the three times he got hit by IEDs, but that's another story).
To all of which I say the same thing: people need a better system, why don't you and your pals come up with a more sensible law, propose it, and see if it passes.
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NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)It makes no sense to tell someone they are an adult and can go off and die in a war, but they can't drink a beer (and other examples). Honestly they should just ban the assault weapons for everyone.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)to keep bad laws off the books, whether voters want them, or not.
elias7
(4,026 posts)spanone
(135,861 posts)K&R...
hack89
(39,171 posts)So their parents, grandparents or aunts/uncles can buy them guns if they wish.
(a) A transfer between immediate family members, which for this subsection shall be limited to spouses, domestic partners, parents, parents-in-law, children, siblings, siblings-in-law, grandparents, grandchildren , nieces, nephews, first cousins, aunts, and uncles, that is a bona fide gift or loan
https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.113
maxsolomon
(33,383 posts)As a result of that restriction, a 19 year old name Allen Ivanov, unbeknownst to his parents, bought a semi-automatic military-style rifle, waited 3 days for the background check, passed it easy-peasy, got his guns and ammo, and put the weapon in his trunk. He later drove to a party that his ex-girlfriend Anna Bui was attending, read the instructions in his car, loaded the rifle, hid outside a party in the bushes, and then killed her and 2 other partygoers: Jordan Ebner and Jake Long. 1st time Ivanov had fired a weapon, IIRC.
Now, a remorseful Ivanov will be in prison for the next 60-odd years, and 3 more young people are sacrificed on the pyre of rampage shootings to the dumbest of all amendments.
Until we decide to well-regulate the unregulated militia, this law will keep SOME deadly weapons out of the hands of SOME teenage sociopaths. In theory. They can still buy hunting rifles and shotguns at 18.
But fear not, I'm sure some 2nd Am. Absolutist is filing a lawsuit today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Mukilteo_shooting
sl8
(13,864 posts)PDF of Washington Initiative 1639:
https://www.sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/finaltext_1531.pdf
Ballotpedia has a good summary:
https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Initiative_1639,_Changes_to_Gun_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Measure_(2018)#Definition_of_semiautomatic_assault_rifle
billh58
(6,635 posts)A small, but excellent step.
sl8
(13,864 posts)The new age limit for purchasing "semiautomatic assault rifles" took effect on January 1, but it doesn't appear that the new definition of "semiautomatic assault rifles" takes effect until July 1.
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NEW SECTION. Sec. 17. This act takes effect July 1, 2019,
except for section 13 of this act which takes effect January 1,
2019.
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From https://komonews.com/news/local/new-state-law-sets-age-limit-of-21-for-purchase-of-assault-rifles
by Jennifer Sullivan | KOMO NewsTuesday, January 1st 2019
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Only restrictions went into law Tuesday. The other two parts of the law dont go into effect until July 1, said Tallman Trask, policy and advocacy director for the Washington Alliance for Gun Responsibility.
Teasdale and her staff at Lynnwood Gun are continuing to sell semi-automatic rifles to customers under the age of 21.
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Teasdale said she has consulted with lawyers about the language of the law. She said she has also reached out to Attorney General Bob Fergusons office, but hasnt heard back.
The term semi-automatic assault rifle doesnt exist for another six months, she said. How are they telling us we cant sell something that doesnt exist?
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