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Joe941

(2,848 posts)
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 04:31 PM Jan 2019

Can we put all this ageism aside?

Today a 78 year old women is in charge of congress and that is a great thing. In the months ahead there will be countless discussions of candidates to run for president - some younger and some older (Joe Biden and Bernie). I don't want to here people saying someone is too old to do this or that. That's pure ageism. Let us judge people by the content of there messages and not by the wrinkles in their skin. That is all thank you.

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Can we put all this ageism aside? (Original Post) Joe941 Jan 2019 OP
I'm 76 myself and I don't think most marybourg Jan 2019 #1
+1. In your words: "IF tRump can be president ...". JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2019 #18
When they told me in school "anyone can be President, I didn't think they meant just fucking anyone. LakeSuperiorView Jan 2019 #21
Thank you! I agree...my hubby asked me (joked)' Why didnt AOC run up there with the kids?'.. samnsara Jan 2019 #2
Like your husband's sense of humor! democratisphere Jan 2019 #28
We (as in the folks on DU) can ... but can the country? PBC_Democrat Jan 2019 #3
Nope, nor should we... brooklynite Jan 2019 #4
The same goes for considering youth and lack of experience lunatica Jan 2019 #7
Should Hillary not have run because she is a woman and some might vote against women? Joe941 Jan 2019 #11
Did you feel that was a risk? I didn't. brooklynite Jan 2019 #12
How does a 78 year old woman climb all those steps every day? dubyadiprecession Jan 2019 #5
The same way she always does. lunatica Jan 2019 #8
One step at a time. Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #27
As long as valid evidence is not required to post, it will continue. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #6
It Is Something To Consider colsohlibgal Jan 2019 #9
I'm mid 50's and another of my high school friends just died. LakeSuperiorView Jan 2019 #22
I'm sorry about your friend. Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #30
I'm 75, and I don't consider it ageism DavidDvorkin Jan 2019 #10
I agree! We won't live forever and it's time to pass the baton to those younger than us. Vinca Jan 2019 #13
Right! It doesn't apply to us! DavidDvorkin Jan 2019 #14
Yes elleng Jan 2019 #15
AMEN The Mouth Jan 2019 #16
"they are not one whit better than Nazis" ?? oberliner Jan 2019 #20
Well, OK, Nazis are *REALLY* bad, and I don't see any ageists The Mouth Jan 2019 #31
yup, ageism is as evil as racism or sexism - or any other ism. Joe941 Jan 2019 #23
Perhaps ageism works both ways... Wounded Bear Jan 2019 #17
it's fine and good that Rep. Pelosi is capable and experienced bigtree Jan 2019 #19
I don't consider it ageism.... Adrahil Jan 2019 #24
I don't consider it racism.... Joe941 Jan 2019 #25
Nice try.... Adrahil Jan 2019 #26
It's Not Ageism RobinA Jan 2019 #29

marybourg

(12,639 posts)
1. I'm 76 myself and I don't think most
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 04:36 PM
Jan 2019

people my age can perform at peak competence in a new job. A job they’ve been doing for years and years, probably, but not a new one. On the other hand if tRump can be President, anyone can be President.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,372 posts)
18. +1. In your words: "IF tRump can be president ...".
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:12 PM
Jan 2019

So far, he hasn't shown any talent or potential for the job. No willingness to learn, to read, to listen.

And I don't think his age has anything to do with that.

samnsara

(17,650 posts)
2. Thank you! I agree...my hubby asked me (joked)' Why didnt AOC run up there with the kids?'..
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 04:38 PM
Jan 2019

…..so it goes both ways. I tossed my cane at him.

PBC_Democrat

(401 posts)
3. We (as in the folks on DU) can ... but can the country?
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 04:39 PM
Jan 2019

The other guys will hammer the age issue.

I don't think Trump will run in 2020 ... so if they run someone in their 50's or early 60's, our candidate will look quite old.

brooklynite

(94,760 posts)
4. Nope, nor should we...
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 04:40 PM
Jan 2019

You can make your own judgement as to whether the age of someone is a relevant point in their suitability as a President, but remember that some voters definitely will, and our job is to pick a nominee who's going to get people to vote for him or her. Consideration of age (too old or too young) should be a factor to consider.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
7. The same goes for considering youth and lack of experience
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 04:48 PM
Jan 2019

Cuts both ways. Do you want experience or chronological age to be the factor to consider?

brooklynite

(94,760 posts)
12. Did you feel that was a risk? I didn't.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 06:11 PM
Jan 2019

And nobody is saying someone shouldn't run; just that all of their attributes will be subject to evaluation when seeking support.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
6. As long as valid evidence is not required to post, it will continue.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 04:45 PM
Jan 2019

The half-witted and meaningless bumper-stickers "new blood" and "too old" will maintain their rising ascendancy as long as no objective evidence is required to repeat them. As a daily, mind-numbing mantra to irrational thought, the kids really do think it works.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
9. It Is Something To Consider
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 05:28 PM
Jan 2019

Reagan started going around the bend in the 2nd half of his 2nd term. Like it or not it is an issue.

Would Reagan have gone along with ditching the Fairness Doctrine had he had all his faculties?

I like Biden well enough but can we be sure he’ll be healthy enough as time moves on? Same with Bernie.

I say this as a woman well into her 60s, not a millennial or anything like that

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
22. I'm mid 50's and another of my high school friends just died.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:28 PM
Jan 2019

How can we be sure they’ll be healthy enough as time moves on?

You can't. No one can. Stupid question.

DavidDvorkin

(19,493 posts)
10. I'm 75, and I don't consider it ageism
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 05:44 PM
Jan 2019

Much of our leadership, and quite a few of the leading contenders for the nomination, are too old.

Vinca

(50,314 posts)
13. I agree! We won't live forever and it's time to pass the baton to those younger than us.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 06:13 PM
Jan 2019

Of course, I'm now convinced that 70 is the new 50, but that's another matter. LOL.

DavidDvorkin

(19,493 posts)
14. Right! It doesn't apply to us!
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 06:20 PM
Jan 2019

Just to all of those old farts!

But seriously, I'm painfully aware of how much I've deteriorated over the years. I don't care how alert and vigorous those old pols are, they're still too old and slow for my taste. I very much value their experience and knowledge of the system, but I want those to be deployed in support of vigorous young leaders.

The Mouth

(3,164 posts)
16. AMEN
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:00 PM
Jan 2019

Fuck *ANYONE* who thinks 75, 80, 85 is 'too old' -to do anything; they are not one whit better than Nazis, sexists or any other ignorant, malignant, or generally useless POS.

The Mouth

(3,164 posts)
31. Well, OK, Nazis are *REALLY* bad, and I don't see any ageists
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 02:43 PM
Jan 2019

calling for us geezers to be put in the camps. At least not yet, but it's the same damned slope as saying 'You are too old to do {x,y,z}'. Apologies.

But they *ALL* can fuck off and die together.

Saying 'you can't/shouldn't do this because you are {what I consider old} is no fucking better than saying 'you can/shouldn't do this because you are {black, female, Jewish, LGBT, etc}.

All are scum, all are dehumanizers, all are not worth crossing the street to put out were they on fire.

So no practical difference; they are assholes saying 'you have no value {IOW, please die}' to you or me; their rationale is equally bogus and their intents equally malign even if their criteria are difference.

bigtree

(86,008 posts)
19. it's fine and good that Rep. Pelosi is capable and experienced
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:16 PM
Jan 2019

...it's also fine and good to strive to elect and advance younger members into leadership positions in our party.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
24. I don't consider it ageism....
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:41 PM
Jan 2019

It's not that I don't think they can do the job, it's like I think it's time to present a fresh face. You don't have to agree, but it's a legitimate point.

 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
25. I don't consider it racism....
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:45 PM
Jan 2019

It's not that I don't think they can do the job, it's like I think it's time to present a white face. You don't have to agree, but it's a legitimate point.

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You know its discrimination when you replace the ism with racism and it just doesn't work. Sorry you are wrong.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
26. Nice try....
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:48 PM
Jan 2019

Not remotely the same thing.

The point of preferring younger leadership is to provide us a path forward. New ideas, new perspectives. It's so much about age as perspective.

FWIW, I could get on board with something like a Biden/O'Rourke (or Harris) ticket.

My opposition to Sanders has nothing to do with his age.

RobinA

(9,896 posts)
29. It's Not Ageism
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:01 PM
Jan 2019

to say, if you believe it to be true, that age has an effect on electability. Joe Biden may be the best President ever, but if people don't vote for him it doesn't really matter. I'll vote for Biden in a minute in the general, but I hope he isn't the candidate, because I think electability at his age could be a problem and it is imperative that we win. Sanders I don't think is electable for all kinds of reasons.

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