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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan we put all this ageism aside?
Today a 78 year old women is in charge of congress and that is a great thing. In the months ahead there will be countless discussions of candidates to run for president - some younger and some older (Joe Biden and Bernie). I don't want to here people saying someone is too old to do this or that. That's pure ageism. Let us judge people by the content of there messages and not by the wrinkles in their skin. That is all thank you.
marybourg
(12,639 posts)people my age can perform at peak competence in a new job. A job theyve been doing for years and years, probably, but not a new one. On the other hand if tRump can be President, anyone can be President.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,372 posts)So far, he hasn't shown any talent or potential for the job. No willingness to learn, to read, to listen.
And I don't think his age has anything to do with that.
LakeSuperiorView
(1,533 posts)samnsara
(17,650 posts)..so it goes both ways. I tossed my cane at him.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Thanks for not beating him with your cane!
PBC_Democrat
(401 posts)The other guys will hammer the age issue.
I don't think Trump will run in 2020 ... so if they run someone in their 50's or early 60's, our candidate will look quite old.
brooklynite
(94,760 posts)You can make your own judgement as to whether the age of someone is a relevant point in their suitability as a President, but remember that some voters definitely will, and our job is to pick a nominee who's going to get people to vote for him or her. Consideration of age (too old or too young) should be a factor to consider.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Cuts both ways. Do you want experience or chronological age to be the factor to consider?
Joe941
(2,848 posts)brooklynite
(94,760 posts)And nobody is saying someone shouldn't run; just that all of their attributes will be subject to evaluation when seeking support.
dubyadiprecession
(5,725 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The half-witted and meaningless bumper-stickers "new blood" and "too old" will maintain their rising ascendancy as long as no objective evidence is required to repeat them. As a daily, mind-numbing mantra to irrational thought, the kids really do think it works.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Reagan started going around the bend in the 2nd half of his 2nd term. Like it or not it is an issue.
Would Reagan have gone along with ditching the Fairness Doctrine had he had all his faculties?
I like Biden well enough but can we be sure hell be healthy enough as time moves on? Same with Bernie.
I say this as a woman well into her 60s, not a millennial or anything like that
LakeSuperiorView
(1,533 posts)How can we be sure theyll be healthy enough as time moves on?
You can't. No one can. Stupid question.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Wayyy too early.
DavidDvorkin
(19,493 posts)Much of our leadership, and quite a few of the leading contenders for the nomination, are too old.
Vinca
(50,314 posts)Of course, I'm now convinced that 70 is the new 50, but that's another matter. LOL.
DavidDvorkin
(19,493 posts)Just to all of those old farts!
But seriously, I'm painfully aware of how much I've deteriorated over the years. I don't care how alert and vigorous those old pols are, they're still too old and slow for my taste. I very much value their experience and knowledge of the system, but I want those to be deployed in support of vigorous young leaders.
Fuck *ANYONE* who thinks 75, 80, 85 is 'too old' -to do anything; they are not one whit better than Nazis, sexists or any other ignorant, malignant, or generally useless POS.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The Mouth
(3,164 posts)calling for us geezers to be put in the camps. At least not yet, but it's the same damned slope as saying 'You are too old to do {x,y,z}'. Apologies.
But they *ALL* can fuck off and die together.
Saying 'you can't/shouldn't do this because you are {what I consider old} is no fucking better than saying 'you can/shouldn't do this because you are {black, female, Jewish, LGBT, etc}.
All are scum, all are dehumanizers, all are not worth crossing the street to put out were they on fire.
So no practical difference; they are assholes saying 'you have no value {IOW, please die}' to you or me; their rationale is equally bogus and their intents equally malign even if their criteria are difference.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,726 posts)bigtree
(86,008 posts)...it's also fine and good to strive to elect and advance younger members into leadership positions in our party.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)It's not that I don't think they can do the job, it's like I think it's time to present a fresh face. You don't have to agree, but it's a legitimate point.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)It's not that I don't think they can do the job, it's like I think it's time to present a white face. You don't have to agree, but it's a legitimate point.
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You know its discrimination when you replace the ism with racism and it just doesn't work. Sorry you are wrong.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Not remotely the same thing.
The point of preferring younger leadership is to provide us a path forward. New ideas, new perspectives. It's so much about age as perspective.
FWIW, I could get on board with something like a Biden/O'Rourke (or Harris) ticket.
My opposition to Sanders has nothing to do with his age.
RobinA
(9,896 posts)to say, if you believe it to be true, that age has an effect on electability. Joe Biden may be the best President ever, but if people don't vote for him it doesn't really matter. I'll vote for Biden in a minute in the general, but I hope he isn't the candidate, because I think electability at his age could be a problem and it is imperative that we win. Sanders I don't think is electable for all kinds of reasons.