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It is about him punishing America for repudiating him by electing a Democratic House to check his authoritarian agenda.
I believe it is also a psychological ploy - creating a crisis out of thin air as the new Democratic House is seated, an attempt to attach a negative aura to electing Democrats and punishment for challenging his authority.
And this is something straight out of Putin's think tank.
Lindsay
(3,276 posts)a classic mob protection racket. Create the problem, then offer to solve it...for a price.
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)I'll add that Putin is a mobster, too.
watoos
(7,142 posts)a wall will end up costing at least 50 billion dollars, wasted tax dollars that could go to something else useful.
MyOwnPeace
(16,926 posts)being used for roads and bridges.
Hmmmmm, who would gain by doing that?
What, the American people?
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Works especially well with low tech type clients
panader0
(25,816 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)In extreme cases it's known as fascism.
orangecrush
(19,546 posts)He is going to declare a "national emergency".
And if he gets away with it this time, it won't be the last time.
That you can bet the farm on.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)on his behalf to account. Any military who follows any illegal action inside the US will face court-martial. Any made up state of emergency by Trump will be contested by Congress and our Federal courts!
Trump is a reckless con man who is gifting us and playing us to the point of destroying our democracy and our rule of law!
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Aided & abetted by a greedy, submissive, immoral republican party that's willing to play dumb and to let America be systematically divided and weakened by a draft-dodging casino hustler, who they know is deeply in debt to the evil empire*
* per ronald republican reagan, for crying out loud
orangecrush
(19,546 posts)debsy
(530 posts)modrepub
(3,495 posts)...or orange sh**-flinging gibbon if you prefer
duforsure
(11,885 posts)This is just another distraction used by putin and trump to use to divide with, and damage this country for his revenge. This isn't about a wall, its another act by trump.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)The new House cannot get the funding for, or really begin investigations into him until this is resolved. If they do find a way and start then the narrative will be "Rather than fix the government, the House is determined to go on witch hunts."
watoos
(7,142 posts)9 million more people voted for Democrats to go on so called witch hunts. Who gives a shit what Trumps 30% base thinks?
RKP5637
(67,107 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts).
It is telling and entirely predictable that the first time President Trump is seriously checked by another branch of government he threatens to declare a national emergency and essentially rule by decree. As history teachers us, while authoritarianism usually sells itself on efficiency and power, it is far more often paired with failure and incompetence.
The danger of this kind of blatantly illegal resort of national emergency powers speaks for itself. But I can see a reason why various players, maybe including Trump himself, might see this as a way out of the standoff.
President Trump could declare his emergency and say hes building his wall. This lets Senate Republicans off the hook and allows them to pass budget bills to reopen the federal government. But the emergency declaration and actions taken under it would certainly spur immediate lawsuits. And I think theres a good chance theyd succeed, at least succeed in getting into court.
So the government gets to open and Trump gets a face-saving way out of the standoff. He gets checked by the courts. But that just gives him another grievance and claim of unfairness, something hes been happy to have and exploit in all the other immigration related actions hes been stymied on.
Dont get me wrong. This would still be a disaster for the country. And perhaps he wouldnt get checked. These emergency provisions Congress created give the President a lot of power. But cynical members of the Presidents party seem likely to see this as a painless (for them) way out of the impasse.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/where-this-may-be-going
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orangecrush
(19,546 posts)It won't be the last time he does it.
It will get worse.
I don't see this as political posturing, I see it as a direct challenge to the constitution.
Danascot
(4,690 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)keep his small base in fear of brown and black people. I worked with these people in Mexico, Venezuela, Columbia, Chile. They are no different than American workers just trying to earn a living for their families.
Poiuyt
(18,122 posts)In Trump's world, there are winners and losers. If he backs down, he'll be seen as a loser, and he can't accept that. In his mind, he MUST be seen as a winner.
And if the Democrats back down and give him money for the wall, don't think that he won't gloat!
tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)on behalf of the Koch Brothers.
This is why msnbc fired Dylan Ratigan. He was passionate about exposing crony capitalism. I never missed his 4PM show.
They are also packing the courts with their cronies. Libertarianism is a branch of white supremacy.
TrishaJ
(798 posts)to stay out of prison for treason. That probably includes some Senate Republicans, such as Mitch McConnell. McConnell could end this today. He chooses not to. Wonder why?
PaulX2
(2,032 posts)Win!
watoos
(7,142 posts)to expose the Trump crime family. How daddy had to bail out little Donnie to the tune of 400 million dollars. How the Trump crime family laundered money, was involved in tax fraud and numerous forms of criminal corruption.
The freaking M$M carried this bombshell expose for 24 fucking hours. The M$M is not our friend, they are complicit with the far right.
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)Tribalceltic
(1,000 posts)Why didn't he get it from the Republicans over the last 2 years?
dubyadiprecession
(5,707 posts)Trump couldnt get Mexico or the republican congress to pay for it. Now hes down to the Democrats as being his last resort.
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)Mexico is paying for this with the adjustment to NAFTA that hasnt been approved yet. The 5 billion is just a short term loan until we get that money
Dont worry. Its not like they would lie about it.
Lonestarblue
(9,981 posts)Congress needs to step up and work for citizens who are suffering from this shutdown and just pass a funding bill with a veto-proof majority in both Houses. They do not need Trumps agreement, and Trump himself has shown that negotiating with him is useless because you cant believe a word he says or that he will actually do what he says. Republicans just need the courage to do what is right for the people and get government operating again.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Many of them know they'll very likely be voted out by Democratic Party candidates come 2020 (especially in the Senate), but they also know they have no chance at all if they make Orange Hitler's shit list. They'll grasp at whatever they can to try and hold power.
Lonestarblue
(9,981 posts)Most of these people serve ruby red districts that will only elect Republicans. If they start now painting Trump as an irrational president and communicate that message to their constituents, they can reduce some of Trumps influence and also reduce their chances of being primaried by a Trump fanatic.
Those Republicans who are not running in 2020 should also step up to the plate and take a stand for the people. What do they have to fear from Trump?
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)right now the ball is in the Senate's court then
if he vetos they need to override it
watoos
(7,142 posts)She is busting up reopening the government into smaller bills. One of the first bills she will send to Mitch is a bill to open up the IRS so that people can get their tax returns on time. The pressure will build on turtle face and the Senators who are up for election in 2020. Once she gets Mitch to put one of the bills up for vote in the Senate, Republicans will have to vote for it overwhelmingly. Next question, will Trump have the guts to veto it?
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)she can not get this done alone, Mitch needs to do his part
the government needs to be opened now
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,853 posts)orangecrush
(19,546 posts)lark
(23,097 posts)PUtin told him to leave Syria, and to shut down the border as a distraction to the Democratic congress and to punish the American people for putting him in check. It also sets the stage for him to declare a state of emergency and who knows what else he'd throw into that cesspool besides the wall. Would it be changing freedom of speech to freedom of speech as long as it's not negative about the current administration? Would he declare the right to remove judges who block his Russia first priorities, who knows what other damage he'd include. The question is will he really go this far? Already, his administration is rolling back the Syria leaving within 30 days, obviously Bolton isn't fully onboard with Russia first. What will Erdogan and PUtin do about his treachery with them? Will he say Bolton's lying (haven't heard any pushback at all from him on this - yet) and we'll leave when he says? Will he admit to selling out the Kurds - don't think so, but that's obviously part of the deal with Turkey.
It must totally suck to be him. He just can't keep up with all of his lies and all of his toadies won't toe the line either. Will he get rid of Bolton, just slap him down and say he's wrong, or face the ire of PUtin and Erdogan by staying in Syria?
orangecrush
(19,546 posts)toward establishing himself as the American Putin.
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)This x 5 billion. And, to our detriment, the mainstream media is too dim, cautious and unaware to pick up on it.
C_U_L8R
(45,001 posts)He's practically drooling with anticipation.
Baltimike
(4,143 posts)ProfessorPlum
(11,256 posts)And now Trump will create a crisis out of thin air if there aren't any real ones around.
Ohioboy
(3,240 posts)orangecrush
(19,546 posts)He is going for the whole autocrat enchilada.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)orangecrush
(19,546 posts)This is exactly what Hillary told us we would get -
Kremlin on the Potomac.
RainCaster
(10,869 posts)The art of distraction
karin_sj
(808 posts)Evil bastard