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bigtree

(85,996 posts)
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 01:39 PM Jan 2019

Can you win the Democratic nomination having voted for NAFTA, the Iraq War, and the Bankruptcy Bill

...Joe Biden is asking himself the wrong question.

He's focused solely on a general election campaign against Trump as he ponders the Democratic field of potential candidates, but the former Vice-President is not necessarily a cinch to win the Democratic nomination. He's failed spectacularly in the past, and he's politically positioned apart from most potential Democratic contenders by a rather long history of center-left votes like support for the Iraq war, support for NAFTA, voting for the bankruptcy bill.

To be fair, he also has a long history of support for solidly progressive legislation and initiatives, like his authorship of the Violence Against Women Act, but there's a lot of centrism in his record.

I found this NBC tidbit from the one major Democratic candidate who went ahead and leapt into into the 2020 presidential pool without playing Cuomo at the airport, Elizabeth Warren:

In a November 2007 post titled "Presidential Leadership," she shared a Barack Obama campaign video on health care featuring an interview with her. Still, Warren did not endorse anyone during the Democratic primary, and was lobbying candidates behind the scenes to create what would become the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

But well before the 2008 race began, Warren had harsh words for Biden, one of its eventual contenders who has said he is still deciding whether to run in 2020. In March of 2006, Warren wrote that Biden's 2005 vote in favor of the bankruptcy bill that spurred her foray into blogging made him part of "a bi-partisan coalition to prefer powerful corporation [sic] over hard-working families."

"For years, Senator Joe Biden vied with Republican Senators Charles Grassley and Oren Hatch for head cheerleader for this bill," Warren wrote. “Even as he tried to position his national image as a strong supporter of women, Senator Biden was twisting arms to get the bankruptcy bill through Congress.”


There's a deliberate blind spot to Biden's self-serving entreaty to run. “If you can persuade me there is somebody better who can win, I’m happy not to do it, he says.” Can you imagine the reaction to any other potential candidate uttering those words? Imagine Hillary saying this?

Don't get me wrong, I think he should run, but he's making a big assumption that his perception of himself as the best dragonslayer on the horizon is going to survive a progressive-themed Democratic primary. If he does run we'll find out if his personal political experience is what Democratic voters actually favor.
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Can you win the Democratic nomination having voted for NAFTA, the Iraq War, and the Bankruptcy Bill (Original Post) bigtree Jan 2019 OP
Don't forget how he handled the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearing. nt tblue37 Jan 2019 #1
+1 Power 2 the People Jan 2019 #3
I heard someone say on MSNBC that Biden DURHAM D Jan 2019 #7
In the #MeToo era, he hasn't got much of a chance. I certainly hold the bankruptcy bill and the tblue37 Jan 2019 #10
The answer is yes. I will vote for Biden. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #2
His record on economics is pretty clear. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #4
Alternative headline: "Can Hillary beat Bernie in 2016"? Yosemito Jan 2019 #5
They are so transparent... comradebillyboy Jan 2019 #8
+1 /nt LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #13
I don't care for Biden but none of those votes are disqualifiers. comradebillyboy Jan 2019 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2019 #9
it's not going to work to dismiss questions about candidates records as 'purity tests' bigtree Jan 2019 #11
Not only the nomination, but probably the general election as well /nt LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #12
The Elizabeth Warren who was a Republican until 1996? OilemFirchen Jan 2019 #14
kick bigtree Jan 2019 #15

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
7. I heard someone say on MSNBC that Biden
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 01:47 PM
Jan 2019

has yet to make amends with black women over his treatment of Anita Hill.

Not just black women, all women.

tblue37

(65,340 posts)
10. In the #MeToo era, he hasn't got much of a chance. I certainly hold the bankruptcy bill and the
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 01:53 PM
Jan 2019

Clarence Thomas hearings against him.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
4. His record on economics is pretty clear.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 01:44 PM
Jan 2019

I have stated on DU that in his first week of campaigning people will be reminded of it and it will be the end of his run. The party today, overall, is far to the left of his consistent economic conservatism. I still wouldn't mind him getting in as he speaks well for us and spent eight years shifting his message as he had to under Obama.

I would not vote for Biden in a primary. It's a done deal for me at this point. I put the only person in over him.

comradebillyboy

(10,144 posts)
6. I don't care for Biden but none of those votes are disqualifiers.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 01:47 PM
Jan 2019

I support free trade, we can see where Trump's anti free trade and pro tariff policies are hurting our economy. More trade not less.

We also don't need any stinking purity tests.

Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #6)

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
11. it's not going to work to dismiss questions about candidates records as 'purity tests'
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 01:58 PM
Jan 2019

...in our Democratic primary.

What your talking about is the general election, where of course, Biden would make an excellent nominee and would certainly deserve our votes, as would any of the candidates in the general.

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