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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIsn't calling someone a "mofo" as bad as calling someone a "c*nt"?
First off, children are listening. I did not grow up hearing words like either of the above because adults around me would never have used these words in front of a child.
Secondly, the term mf is literally means someone who has sex with (or rapes?) a woman who is a parent. Like a father? How does this even mean something terrible? Is sex terrible? Are women who have sex terrible? Are mothers terrible? If I were a child hearing this I would be bewildered. Its not that its shocking so much as that its really incoherent.
Finally - MF is part of a language that is used to oppress women. When we repeat that language we are buying into patriarchy, bigtime. Its not about clutching pearls, its about using and choosing words wisely and thoughtfully.
blue cat
(2,415 posts)He is a man cunt mofo IMO.
mikeysnot
(4,756 posts)And I've come to believe that words aren't offensive. One CHOOSES to be offended, and can choose to not be offended and just blow it off.
maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)Maybe in England, where "Cunt" is every 3rd word.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...now it's an idiom.
unblock
(52,208 posts)at least, in my exhaustive minutes of googling, i haven't been able to find anything suggesting it was ever meant to be interpreted literally, whether the "mother" in question was meant to be one's own mother or someone else's mother.
of course, the mere, motherless "fucker" similarly seems like an odd insult. back in high school, virgins were laughed at and being known as someone who had sex was a badge of honor, so being called a "fucker" would seem like it should be a compliment. but don't try this at home, kids....
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)I cite History of the World Part 1 as my evidence:
Bucky
(54,003 posts)bigtree
(85,996 posts)...no one knows what the heck I'm talking about anymore.
BeyondGeography
(39,370 posts)Then see if it has lost its meaning. If it has, let me know, cuz Id like to give it a try.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I can't think of a situation where calling a person a c--t could be seen as laudatory. I can think of situations where saying so and so is a bad mother f--ker is seen as laudatory as in "...You see this cat Shaft is a bad mother (Shut your mouth)."
ariadne0614
(1,728 posts)bigtree
(85,996 posts)"Words weigh a ton, and the president has to realize his words weigh a ton, too, and some of the words he's used have a direct impact on people's lives. My colleague's comments do not have an impact on people's lives."
ariadne0614
(1,728 posts)JohnnyLib2
(11,211 posts)Voltaire2
(13,027 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)I don't know if anyone intends it to imply rape or not.
Were children listening to the MoveOn meeting? It seems unlikely.
Because it's saying they are as bad as someone who commits incest, it's saying they are universally loathed, for how they act. It's not a comparison to a body part that half the population has (and the half with, especially historically, less power and control).
Strange, I hear motherfucker used almost always to insult men. It's not about the patriarchy; it's saying the target is despicable.
dsc
(52,161 posts)hence a child did hear it.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...she may well have embellished the ending for the crowd, while certainly relating the part about impeachment and bullies to her son.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)https://www.businessinsider.com/rashida-tlaib-impeach-trump-speech-2019-1?r=US&IR=T
Mariana
(14,856 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)It implies a incestous sexual act, and cunt is a derogatory term for a female body part.
+1
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)demmiblue
(36,845 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)It's an incestuous insult, implying that the person being insulted has sex with his mother.
The other word is a derogatory name for female genitalia, and implies that there is something bad about such genitalie, making it a sexist slur.
maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)Whether Cunt is derogatory. In America, it certainly is, although Feminism has sought to re-claim it in the last 20 years.
It comes from the Latin Cunnus, or Vulva. In Old English it was "Cunny", which is kind of cute sounding.
In modern England, it's now every 3rd word out of people's mouths, and can be used as a term of affection. Over there, it's no worse that calling someone a Bell End.
Denzil_DC
(7,233 posts)I keep hearing this on US forums.
I've lived in the UK all my life. It most definitely is not that commonly used or heard.
It's a very strong taboo curse in most social environments, not much different to the situation in the US. If you're visiting the UK, I'd advise caution about the circumstances in which you use it.
To address the OP while I'm here, I'd understood "motherfucker" to originally refer to someone who used female prostitutes, the inference being that the prostitutes are somebody's mothers.
I'll leave others to debate whether that's an apt description of Trump.
maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)obviously.
It's a curse word to be sure; it doesn't carry quite the harshness with which is empowered here. Maybe my Welsh friend is a bit too fond of it...
Denzil_DC
(7,233 posts)Yes, at school, it got bandied about quite a bit, and not in a complimentary way. It is sometimes used as banter between some who know each other REALLY well, but never in my circles at that time. It was more an invitation to a fight.
It's pretty damn harsh in most circumstances in the UK.
maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)People never fight in America any more, they just shoot each other.
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ariadne0614
(1,728 posts)On the contrary, it can actually acknowledge their power, however offensively it is wielded.
Fullduplexxx
(7,860 posts)obamanut2012
(26,069 posts)Twisting yourself that much to claim that?
Bucky
(54,003 posts)wait, no I'm not
milestogo
(16,829 posts)I know that I should expect at least one negative comment that contributes absolutely nothing. Thanks for playing your part.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You offered zero evidence to support your premise, and ignored the relevant difference between the literal and the colloquial.
Thanks for playing your part, part deux.
rurallib
(62,411 posts)a tax system that funnels our money to the rich; the greatest inequality in America'x history; a president about to declare a false national emergency; ......
the list goes on and on and this is what you choose to focus on?
I am sorry to be so blunt, but there are really, really important issues to focus on. The rape of our planet for instance. Will food stand up to the climate change?
dalton99a
(81,475 posts)Hard to decide
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)Words mean things, but the same words can mean different things, depending on the situation that they are used in.
For instance, the word 'fuck' in many cases is a reference to sexual intercourse. "I'd love to 'fuck' her" or "I'd 'fuck' the hell out of him." Or "We 'fucked', but were never really together."
But saying stuff like "'Fuck the New England Patriots, and Bill Belichick" or "'Fuck' this piece of shit car." or "What the 'fuck' is going on here?" don't have anything all to do with sexual intercourse.
I'd guess that when most people call donald trump a "mofo" they don't mean he had sex with, or raped, his own mother (or anyone else's). I think most people understand that that means he's an asshole.....just like calling him an asshole wouldn't actually mean that he's literally an anus. It just means that he's a bad person.
blogslut
(38,000 posts)Calling the president a "motherfucker" = not offensive.
The president calling nazis "very fine people" = not only offensive but insane and alarming.
Words don't scare me. The deranged ramblings of a racist, irrational motherfucker scare me.
Bucky
(54,003 posts)Which you should think about every time you hear the phrase "Great Again"
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)word you can think of.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Not the same
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)http://www.comedycentral.co.uk/viral/articles/theres-actually-a-reason-samuel-l-jackson-says-motherfucker-all-the-time
As a kid, Jackson was bullied so severely that he stopped speaking at school for a year before he discovered the magic word. He's still not entirely sure why it worked.
"I have no idea how but it just does," he laughed. "It clicks a switch that stops the d-d-d b-b-b, because me I stuttered really, really, really badly for a long time." ...
Kaleva
(36,298 posts)usually used as a generalized term of abuse"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/motherfucker
Is not Trump contemptible or offensive?
Note the difference with the word "cunt".
"cunt noun
1 obscene : the female genital organs "
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cunt
The term "motherfucker", as used today, doesn't have anything to do with sex while "cunt" is gender specific.
Had you referred to an on line dictionary, you probably would have been able to answer your own question and not had to write an OP.
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Kaleva
(36,298 posts)Who is forcing you to lower your standards?
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Kaleva
(36,298 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Else what leads you to allege our use is predicated on his vulgarity?
ariadne0614
(1,728 posts)Back in the 60s I lustily engaged in course language as a sign of being a liberated woman. A few decades of experience has shifted my perspective, and I see how I was manipulated into accepting the sexist, misogynist Master Narrative. Now I see a correlation between the coarsening of our culture and the vile creature that ended up in the White House.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)I think there is a correlation too. A few well-placed expletives can make a point, but when they are used by everyone all the time it just brings the whole culture to a lower, baser level.
MaryMagdaline
(6,854 posts)Im sick of the whole bitches and hos thing.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)maxrandb
(15,325 posts)"Daughter F@#ker" is more appropriate when talking about Donnie Short Fingers, but MOFO rolls off the tongue better.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)So you are right about the actual words.
But the children! They will be ok.
Cunt is a female body part and the word is more often than not used by men to degrade women. You couldnt be more off in your comparison. Not even sure why there was a want to try to compare. The effort being put in here is way too much.
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)SALT cap lifted. I don't want to spend five billion on a stupid Fucking wall.
dlk
(11,561 posts)There are many pejoratives that could be accurately used to describe Trump without using words that demean women. Trump demeans women enough as it is.
I remember when my youngest son was around 11 and asked me, "What is the man word for slut"? I told him there wasn't one. Misogyny runs deep in America and we have very far to go.
dogman
(6,073 posts)Narcissist that he is, I could see him being an MF. On the other hand, Ivanka is his daughter, what's that called?
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Why do we have any obligation at all to be civil to that daughterfucker?
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)meadowlander
(4,395 posts)I think "motherfucker" refers to someone doing something terrible but where we also, kind of, almost admire their nerve/cheek. A "mofo" is the kid in your class at school that is confident enough to get off with an adult. Yes, that's deeply wrong (mostly for the adult) but there's also a little acknowledgment of admiration for their daring. The equivalent is something like "cheeky bastard".
"Cunt" is 100% about shaming confident women into not asserting themselves. It is used to enforce social norms and double standards that stigmatize the way women behave. It is straight up hate speech when it is used that way.