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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAlexandria Ocasio-Cortez is right. A 70% tax on the rich makes sense
Nathan Robinson
If we are serious about tackling climate change, this is precisely the kind of policy we need to see
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has continued to show her power to steer the national political conversation. In an interview, Ocasio-Cortez suggested offhandedly that income above $10m may need to be taxed up to 70%, especially if we are going to get serious about halting climate change. Her idea instantly sparked indignant replies from the right. Grover Norquist compared it to slavery. National Reviews Brian Riedl called it completely destructive. Steve Scalise said she wanted to Take away 70% of your income and give it to leftist fantasy programs.
Many critics attempt to confuse people over what Ocasio-Cortez said. Just to be clear: she said that when people earn $10m, the 10 millionth dollar and above should be taxed at a high rate. So unless you earn 10 million dollars, shes not talking about your income. These are marginal tax rates, though the Republican party loves to trick people by conflating taxes that apply solely to the unfathomably rich with taxes that apply to ordinary workers.
In fact, Ocasio-Cortez didnt even specifically say what she wanted the US tax rate to be: she said that sometimes you see a 70% tax on multi-multi-millionaires. And thats true: Sweden has a 70% top tax rate and consistently remains near the top of the Global Innovation Index. She pointed to the fact that across the world, in many successful social democratic countries, high earners pay more than they do in the United States. Thats a fact, and it should make people wary of talking points about how destructive any attempt to fund critical programs would be.
Many of the arguments against taxes on the wealthy are moralistic rather than empirical. The argument that taxes on high earners are slavery is incoherent. Nobody forces you to earn $10m. When you are enslaved, someone makes you do work. Being wealthy is a choice you could avoid the tax whenever you like by shedding your wealth and joining the working class. If we want to talk about freedom, the concentration of wealth at the very top has made the super-rich more free do as they please than anyone else, while its poor people who are faced with the choice to either work or suffer. If we want to talk about morality, having tremendous wealth when there is terrible deprivation cannot be justified.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-70-percent-tax-rich
gordianot
(15,245 posts)Odd how time works.
dogman
(6,073 posts)gordianot
(15,245 posts)JHB
(37,162 posts)...after adjusting for inflation.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)We have people that take $100 billion dollars for themselves. It is all take, take, take and no give back. Anybody with a more than a billion dollars should be taxed at 90%, in my opinion.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)progressive since the New Deal was enacted have been right in just that way.
The old saying about teaching your grandmother to suck eggs comes to mind. (Followed by wondering just how old that saying is! My grandmother was a New Dealer, but I'm sure she never felt any need to.)
Btw, here's Nancy Pelosi when she accepted the speakership:
As Justice Brandeis said, We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we cant have both.
We must end that injustice and restore the publics faith in a better future for themselves and their children.
THAT is an extremely revealing statement. As was Obama's raising of the personal income tax on the wealthy to pre- Ronald Reagan levels. (All he could accomplish with Republicans controlling congress, but far more is intended, and don't the very wealthy know it!)
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)And there is no chance it will pass until Democrats dominate the Government.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)Sweden doesn't just "soak the rich." it soaks everybody. That's what you'd have to do here too to support a truly progressive agenda. Thinking that you could support a massive social welfare state just by taxing the rich rather than with a very broad base scheme of taxation like the Swedes have that is what might be called an "all in" taxation system is either magical thinking or dishonest demagoguery, IMHO.
Not saying that we SHOULDN'T have an all in taxation scheme. But we should stop pretending that taxing the rich is the solution to what ails us. We shouldn't EXEMPT the rich, as we now do. But not exempting the rich is not enough. Taxes would need to be expanded on LOTS of people, not just the rich, to turn America into Sweden.
to be clear, the 70% top tax rates on incomes of 98K and above is just the start of the soaking. The Swedes also have a 25% VAT (though mitigated with reductions to 12% and 6% to certain goods and services. Even with the reductions for various important goods and services, it's a highly regressive form of taxation.
Also income tax rates for the under 98K crowd are also relatively high -- averaging around 32%.
Capital gains taxes are a flat 30%
Sweden's top marginal tax rate on corporations is a whopping 22% compared with 39.1 % when you combine federal and state corporate taxes in the US.
So the supposedly progressive paradise Sweden deploys a range of tax schemes some progressive, some highly regressive, some highly favorable to corporations, including some major ones like the VAT that would be an anathema to Americans including American progressives.
Why people on both the left and the right always cherry pick and only look at some of the story is an interesting question to me.
PBC_Democrat
(401 posts)Last edited Tue Jan 8, 2019, 01:28 PM - Edit history (1)
Her plan only applies to income (salary) and there are very few people earning $10 million a year.
Most of the compensation is in stock options or restricted stock grants.
I haven't seen anything in her plan that addresses taxing deferred compensation.
When the deferred compensation is sold, or dividends paid, THAT income is taxed.
When Bill Gates was running Microsoft he famously wasn't even one of the 100 highest paid employees.
Jeff Bezos currently makes about $82,000 as CEO of Amazon.
Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, makes a little over $3 million a year.
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella makes $1 per year.
Michael Bloomberg passed on $2.7 million and accepted only $1 while Mayor of NYC.
Until we can find a fair way to tax total compensation, this will be an elusive goal.
The point is that the numbers she is throwing out aren't realistic or capable of being implemented.
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