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Hmmm. First Hillary "wasn't likable" enough, now it's Warren. What a load. (Original Post) catbyte Jan 2019 OP
I like her. For the first time ever am donating to Pres campaign. Hers. Sneederbunk Jan 2019 #1
Me too... I find Elizabeth EXTREMELY likable. How anyone could say that she's not is ridiculous!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #12
Who was it, Rachel, who pointed out what REAL questions should be asked Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #2
Consider this according to DU folks ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #3
Shoes? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #4
Exactly! ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #7
I decided a long time ago I am KAMALA all the way! For several reasons, this one at the top Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #9
Stacy is a very formidable woman, smart, good-looking and serious to a degree. We will be hearing monmouth4 Jan 2019 #24
Yes, I support Stacy saidsimplesimon Jan 2019 #51
Yup. cwydro Jan 2019 #20
Uh oh... MontanaMama Jan 2019 #38
I would respond, saidsimplesimon Jan 2019 #49
This is another picture show we've seen before peggysue2 Jan 2019 #5
It's So Ridiculous colsohlibgal Jan 2019 #6
The only time I ever saw it in regards to a man was Bush vs Gore. catbyte Jan 2019 #8
You can say that again!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #13
They did it to Dukakis, Kerry and Romney in their presidential bids as well madville Jan 2019 #56
The only thing I recall is.... Takket Jan 2019 #19
I guess it was the media's shtick in both 2000 & 2004 catbyte Jan 2019 #55
It was all over the media with Kerry madville Jan 2019 #57
I wish she would say: "Thank you for saying I'm not likable. Now I don't have to try to be." Aristus Jan 2019 #10
I thought it was they were all to old. Joe941 Jan 2019 #11
Yeah, Warren is too old. Mr.Bill Jan 2019 #47
Remember one thing Andy823 Jan 2019 #14
Fuck the media onecaliberal Jan 2019 #15
It's really disgusting. GoCubsGo Jan 2019 #16
i know!! Demovictory9 Jan 2019 #18
I read somewhere, maybe FB, a great quote responding to the remark. "She's running for office, not monmouth4 Jan 2019 #26
don't wear pants, don't wear a dress, don't have short hair, don't have long hair Demovictory9 Jan 2019 #17
This conclusion is eXXtremely obvious! Thunderbeast Jan 2019 #21
It never ends mcar Jan 2019 #22
I remember saying this would happen to any woman candidate dsc Jan 2019 #23
Obama was too urban, anti-colonial, and exotic. nt wiggs Jan 2019 #25
Madam Warren is fantastic JackInGreen Jan 2019 #27
Or don't make a video of yourself dancing!! bullwinkle428 Jan 2019 #28
It is what it and it is and a factor. I have voted for the Senator and place her high atop my list. CentralMass Jan 2019 #29
I think being from Massachusetts works against her nationally to some degree like others in the past madville Jan 2019 #30
Yeah, and a guy from New York city Mr.Bill Jan 2019 #48
Only running against someone equally unlikable madville Jan 2019 #53
Yes indeed.... sellitman Jan 2019 #31
There isn't anything unlikeable about Warren or H. Clinton. John Fante Jan 2019 #32
This is a non-issue to me Gothmog Jan 2019 #33
She's not running for Homecoming Queen... KCDebbie Jan 2019 #34
And don't dance. I notice that the "unlikable" meme is also being directed at AOC-- tblue37 Jan 2019 #35
Conversely, every DICKWAD Repug candidate doesn't have to worry about being likable or SMART. NoMoreRepugs Jan 2019 #36
It's infuriating! Blecht Jan 2019 #37
That's why the attacks on AOC are so infuriating Mr. Quackers Jan 2019 #39
That is a good point treestar Jan 2019 #42
And never, ever don sleeveless attire Ferrets are Cool Jan 2019 #40
Don't be seeking power, especially don't seek to become President of the US treestar Jan 2019 #41
I always said this would happen, but I was told no, this was a Hillary problem... lunamagica Jan 2019 #43
K&R for all the Handmaids saidsimplesimon Jan 2019 #44
I remember losing my shit one day at work MontanaMama Jan 2019 #45
They played some of her answers to Iowa voter questions . . . . She is incredible. pdsimdars Jan 2019 #46
Will we get that when Kamala Harris declares as well? NewJeffCT Jan 2019 #50
Maybe we shouldn't let others tell us who we should like IronLionZion Jan 2019 #52
I think we should call all the news programs pulling this and tell them to cut that shit out Squinch Jan 2019 #54

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
2. Who was it, Rachel, who pointed out what REAL questions should be asked
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:05 PM
Jan 2019

of a candidate as opposed to "are you not likable enough?"

I encourage our candidates to ignore such questions as if the reporter isnt even standing there.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
3. Consider this according to DU folks
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:11 PM
Jan 2019

Stacey Abrams: Not good enough to run in 2020 because she didn't win in Georgia. Doesn't have the charisma.

Beto O'Rourke: Most wonderful person ever! So full of charisma. He MUST be president!

I'll leave it to you to decide what the difference is between the two.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
9. I decided a long time ago I am KAMALA all the way! For several reasons, this one at the top
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:24 PM
Jan 2019

and it is NOT about the shoes!

monmouth4

(9,710 posts)
24. Stacy is a very formidable woman, smart, good-looking and serious to a degree. We will be hearing
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:09 PM
Jan 2019

from her in the future.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
49. I would respond,
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:42 PM
Jan 2019

should any reporter ask, your question makes you a very unlikable and biased reporter. Then, include the taped incident in a campaign message. The media may play it on a gotcha loop that can work to a candidates advantage.

It should be a surrogate doing all the negative and attack responses for the media consumption. imo

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)
5. This is another picture show we've seen before
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:13 PM
Jan 2019

So, there's absolutely no reason to fall for it again. Same trick, same parlor game that wants you to believe "Oh, I would definitely support a woman, only . . .

Not this woman.

Translation:

I would never vote for a bitch.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, I'm a sexist who just needs an excuse to hide behind and/or a useful idiot.

Don't take the bait!

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
6. It's So Ridiculous
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:20 PM
Jan 2019

It sure seems mysogynistic to me, you almost never hear a discussion of a man’s likability outside of that aberration in the White House.

catbyte

(34,454 posts)
8. The only time I ever saw it in regards to a man was Bush vs Gore.
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:24 PM
Jan 2019

Bush was "a guy you'd want to have a beer with," Gore, not so much. Look where that got us.

Takket

(21,629 posts)
19. The only thing I recall is....
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:43 PM
Jan 2019

People saying they would rather have a beer with Bush than Kerry. But even then it was not a focal point in the media for evaluation of Kerry, it was more of a thing people talked of amongst friends.

madville

(7,412 posts)
57. It was all over the media with Kerry
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:24 PM
Jan 2019

Just Google John Kerry likability 2004 and pages of major media articles will appear.

Voters don't see Kerry as likable: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/may/3/20040503-125329-1073r/

Aristus

(66,462 posts)
10. I wish she would say: "Thank you for saying I'm not likable. Now I don't have to try to be."
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:25 PM
Jan 2019

She can just get her message out there without having to listen to the 'likable' bullshit.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
14. Remember one thing
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:28 PM
Jan 2019

The "trolls" are coming to DU more and more, and they will only get worse until after the elections in 2020. Try not to feed them it only encourages them more.

GoCubsGo

(32,094 posts)
16. It's really disgusting.
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:40 PM
Jan 2019

They have to be "likeable", while the sack of shit who is currently squatting in that job is the most unlikeable individual to ever step foot on American soil. And, these people are fine with that. And, ffs, they're not running to be America's BFFE. They're running to be an executive. It's sad and appalling that our country has lowered itself to this kind of juvenile, stupid mentality. We're definitely in the Idiocracy, that's for sure.

monmouth4

(9,710 posts)
26. I read somewhere, maybe FB, a great quote responding to the remark. "She's running for office, not
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:13 PM
Jan 2019

homecoming queen." Shut them right down.

Demovictory9

(32,475 posts)
17. don't wear pants, don't wear a dress, don't have short hair, don't have long hair
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:40 PM
Jan 2019

Don't be married, don't be single. don' have kids, don't be childless

Thunderbeast

(3,419 posts)
21. This conclusion is eXXtremely obvious!
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:52 PM
Jan 2019

We need a candidate who plays the XYlophone to win! (Says nobody).

Just a little genetic humor.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
23. I remember saying this would happen to any woman candidate
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:04 PM
Jan 2019

and I got a whole bunch of crap for saying it. All I can say is I told you all so.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
29. It is what it and it is and a factor. I have voted for the Senator and place her high atop my list.
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:23 PM
Jan 2019

Post mortems of the 2016 election found the tRump and Hillary were the #1 and #2 least popular nominees on record and it changed the dynamics of the race.

The right wing and their propaganda wing had vilified Hillary for over two decades.
Despite that and with election tampering both foreign and domestic she nearly won.

I would not hesitate voting for Senator Warren but of course a candidates popularity is a factor.

madville

(7,412 posts)
30. I think being from Massachusetts works against her nationally to some degree like others in the past
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:41 PM
Jan 2019

Dukakis, Kerry, and Kennedy were popular in Massachusetts but could never really connect with the majority of the populace.

This isn't new or always directed at women either, there was a piece on John Kerry's "likability" every damn day in 2004. Dukakis was not likable either according to the media and polling. It's the same story every time someone from Massachusetts is involved. Bill Clinton was hailed as likable, as was Obama, they tried to sell us John Edwards as the affable likeable golden boy, so likability is not always a Democrat problem either. Mitt Romney, former Massachusetts governor (surprise), not likable enough nationally, especially against Obama but who would be.

madville

(7,412 posts)
53. Only running against someone equally unlikable
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:56 PM
Jan 2019

The polling days beforehand election had them dead even in the likability factor, both were dismal so it cancelled each other out.

Every Massachusetts politician the last 40 years in the presidential races has had likability problems.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
32. There isn't anything unlikeable about Warren or H. Clinton.
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:48 PM
Jan 2019

Those tags were brought to you by right-wing media dipshits and their faithful online bots. It's how they diminish formidable candidates, which Elizabeth Warren absolutely is.

Gothmog

(145,567 posts)
33. This is a non-issue to me
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:56 PM
Jan 2019

I supported Hillary Clinton and I would be happy to support Senator Warren

 

KCDebbie

(664 posts)
34. She's not running for Homecoming Queen...
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:05 PM
Jan 2019

Should be the rote reply to any pundit saying this about ANY female candidate for office!

tblue37

(65,488 posts)
35. And don't dance. I notice that the "unlikable" meme is also being directed at AOC--
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:06 PM
Jan 2019

unfortunately, not just by Republicans.

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
37. It's infuriating!
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:23 PM
Jan 2019

It's why I turned off all cable news almost 15 years ago -- right after they pushed the Iraq invasion.

Shit like this shows that they have only gotten worse.

 

Mr. Quackers

(443 posts)
39. That's why the attacks on AOC are so infuriating
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:25 PM
Jan 2019

no MALE freshman congressperson has EVER been admonished to sit down, shut up, and learn his job before opening his mouth.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
42. That is a good point
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:31 PM
Jan 2019

I was thinking that, but then if it were a male? But then one of them has commanded the same kind of attention, at least that I know of.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
41. Don't be seeking power, especially don't seek to become President of the US
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:26 PM
Jan 2019

That alone makes you "unlikeable."

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
43. I always said this would happen, but I was told no, this was a Hillary problem...
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:32 PM
Jan 2019

This will happen with any woman candidate

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
44. K&R for all the Handmaids
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:35 PM
Jan 2019

who will fuel a revolution some day soon. "We're not gonna take it, no, were're not gonna take it any more."

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
45. I remember losing my shit one day at work
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:36 PM
Jan 2019

during the 2016 election...we pay our staff to go to lunch and vote on election day if they don't vote early...and one of our guys came back and said he voted but did not vote for president because he just didn't like HRC or MF45. In Montana, that's a vote for the MF for gawd's sake. When I pressed this guy, he came back with "I don't like tRump but I really don't like her." I was so pissed! I said " You don't have to like her...you don't have to have her over for dinner...you don't have to be FB friends...One of these candidates is qualified to be president and the other one isn't".

When is this shit going to stop?

Squinch

(51,014 posts)
54. I think we should call all the news programs pulling this and tell them to cut that shit out
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:03 PM
Jan 2019

and do their damn jobs.

We don't give a damn whether they find her likeable. We want them to report her words, just like they report the words of male candidates.

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