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sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:21 PM Jan 2019

As Robert Mueller writes his report, a potential battle brews over obstruction of justice

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/10/politics/robert-mueller-trump-obstruction-battle/index.html

As special counsel Robert Mueller wraps up his Russia probe, investigators have focused on conflicting public statements by President Donald Trump and his team that could be seen as an effort to influence witnesses and obstruct justice, according to people familiar with the investigation.

The line of questioning adds to indications that Mueller views false or misleading statements to the press or to the public as obstruction of justice. That could set up a potential flashpoint with the White House and the Trump legal team should that become part of any final report from the Mueller investigation.
Mueller hasn't addressed the issue publicly, but prosecutors have dropped hints that they view public statements as possibly key in influencing witnesses.
Court filings from the plea of Michael Cohen, the President's former personal lawyer, included allegations related to false public statements -- not usually considered illegal since they aren't made directly to investigators. A December sentencing memo filed by Mueller's office notes that Cohen's lies were amplified in public statements, "including to other potential witnesses." The memo said this was done partly "in the hopes of limiting the investigation into possible Russian interference in the 2016 US presidential election -- an issue of heightened national interest."
The President's legal team took notice of the Cohen plea documents and believe the special counsel is pursuing a thin legal theory when it comes to potentially criminalizing public statements, a source briefed on the matter said. They believe the President's comments are protected under the First Amendment and that there's a difference between a plea deal and the President's position, which is to fight the allegations.
Whenever Mueller's investigation concludes, the moment is expected to mark the beginning of a new political and legal fight over the probe's findings.
One of those key areas of dispute likely will center on obstruction of justice allegations, which the President's legal team has considered off-limits because they argue it pertains to matters covered under executive privilege. When Trump responded to written questions from Mueller before Thanksgiving, the President's lawyers refused to respond to any questions on obstruction.
While Mueller is widely expected to not try to bring charges against the President, following long-standing Justice Department legal guidelines, investigators could try to weave into their report examples of how the President used public statements to try to obstruct the investigation. The Mueller team's questioning also shows their interest in obstruction extends beyond the President's firing of FBI Director James Comey
One witness who worked closely with Trump told CNN that, based on the questions asked, it is clear Mueller is looking at the President's "changing stories" as a way to possibly show corrupt intent in the obstruction probe.
Prosecutors appear to be examining the President's public statements as well to determine whether there's an effort to try to influence other witnesses and cause other administration and former campaign officials to make false public statements.
That includes the President's role in crafting the misleading Air Force One statement in the summer of 2017 on the now infamous June 2016 Trump Tower meeting with Russians attended by Donald Trump Jr., the President's son-in-law Jared Kushner and then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort.
Another episode centers on Trump's attempt to have his then-White House counsel Don McGahn disavow articles reporting that McGahn threatened to quit over Trump's pressure to fire Mueller, according to one source familiar with the matter. McGahn refused to publicly say that the stories were false, which prompted more anger from the President.

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Mueller is definitely going for obstruction in there.
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As Robert Mueller writes his report, a potential battle brews over obstruction of justice (Original Post) sunonmars Jan 2019 OP
My main concern is as Putin is in control of the Oval Office and is in control Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #1
It's interesting. What keeps 45 from double crossing Putin? Buckeyeblue Jan 2019 #3
He's not wrapping up his probe NewJeffCT Jan 2019 #2
It may not take that long to get rid of tRump now that Cohen will testify BigmanPigman Jan 2019 #4
There was no Fox News back then NewJeffCT Jan 2019 #6
'Mueller wrapping up the probe' RUMORS empedocles Jan 2019 #5

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
1. My main concern is as Putin is in control of the Oval Office and is in control
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:23 PM
Jan 2019

of what donnie does, what does putin see as his best play?

Will donnie default on the 4 billion he owes putin, ignore putin, to do something more drastic than even putin wants so donnie can avoid justice?

Buckeyeblue

(5,502 posts)
3. It's interesting. What keeps 45 from double crossing Putin?
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:53 PM
Jan 2019

We have the best special forces. He could probably have Putin eliminated. And that would set off a huge grab for power in Russia. Maybe have a few of his donors eliminated as well.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
2. He's not wrapping up his probe
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:30 PM
Jan 2019

Right now, Jerome Corsi is negotiating a plea deal, or was negotiating one. Once that is done, it will be Roger Stone's turn in the barrel. He may be charged, or may elect to plea. Those two things alone are going to take at least a few more months.

From there, does it move on to Don Jr, Jared Kushner and Ivanka? How about Pence? Jeff Sessions? Steve Bannon? Eric Prince?

If it's still that many people, it's going to take into 2020 at least.

BigmanPigman

(51,635 posts)
4. It may not take that long to get rid of tRump now that Cohen will testify
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:56 PM
Jan 2019

on TV to the Dem House. During Watergate John Dean's testimony about what the president knew and when he knew it finally turned the public against Nixon and pressured their GOP leaders to impeach him. Cohen is like Dean. We won't have to wait for Mueller to finish his report and for it to hopefully be released to the public which could take a year. The Dems are keeping their word and are going to have many testify before them and on TV. Don Jr, Stone, Kushner may all have to testify. Cohen volunteered since he wants revenge but the Dems can subpoena the others to testify.

The scary part is that tRump is terrified of losing his base and the Dems so he will be even more insane and dangerous. Who knows what he will do, he doesn't even know since he is so erratic and impulsive.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
6. There was no Fox News back then
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:49 PM
Jan 2019

nor was there RW radio. Even Dean admits that if there was a Fox News around in the Nixon days that he likely would not have been resigning in the face of impeachment

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
5. 'Mueller wrapping up the probe' RUMORS
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 07:32 PM
Jan 2019

represent a fair amount of popular desires across the political spectrum - so it is attractive as a news headline. [On a monthly basis it seems].

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