And people don’t want to lie their jobs.

Let us know when you’ve worked out the details.

There was a thread about that yesterday.

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Even smaller strikes don't get much support anymore due to Reagun (fuckface) busting the strength of unions with the Air Traffic Controllers.

Around the turn of the 20th century. Lots of strikes, many violent, helped force the creation of labor unions and ushered in workers rights like 40 hour week, better wages, safer workplaces, etc.

Sadly, society has grown complacent. We're actively losing the rights people gave their livelihoods and lives to achieve.

General strikes were very important to the labor movement in the early part of the 20th century. They helped advance improvements in workplace safety, higher wages, rights to organize and much more.

Over the years since, we've become complacent and have allowed the ruling class to reverse our hard-fought rights. I've no doubt we'll return again to the days of general strikes. Corporate America gives nothing away it doesn't have to. It's just a matter of how long will it take us to wake up.

They were mentioned in one of your links.

1. Illegal. In addition to further action, a minimum response would be ...

2. Lose jobs. And if their managers are marshmallows and don't enforce the rules as they're paid to do then there's ...

3. Lose back pay.

4. If your coworkers *don't* walk off the job (and given that they have every right not to, some won't) then they have additional work to do without additional pay, when it shows up.

5. When you lose your job, then there's disruption as people are hired and trained to replace you.

6. If you think your job is important and involves serving others instead of just slogging away because there's $, like working at 7-11 or McDonald's, by walking away and leaving it undone when even others thing it's "essential" you're telling them, "No, I don't think my job is essential."

to show solidarity with those who are being mistreated by Trump but could not only lose the back pay they've been guaranteed but also lose their jobs if they engage in the illegal strike you're calling on them to do.

shit like this would never happen if unions weren't broken. not to mention we'd all be making decent wages and not going paycheck to paycheck to keep a roof over our heads and bellies full.... but i digress.

if the TSA had a union the airlines would have been shutdown the day after this all began and Congress would have ended it by now.

The AFGE represents them. And they cannot strike. It is illegal for federal workers to strike.

"if the TSA has the ability to strike"

Its illegal. Federal employees do not have the legal right to strike. It's an excellent way to get fired, and using Reagan and PATCO as an example, a good way of getting your union broken and decertified.

And on the whole that is not necessarily a bad thing.

Exceptions do not make the rule.

What does that have to do with general strikes?

There were times in American history when we weren't so lackadaisical about the way we were treated by those in power. One such time was in the early 1900s when working men and women, at great risk to their well being, believed that some things were worth fighting for.

I think we'll return to those days. Necessity will demand it.

We have had strikes. In the early days of the union movement they were often met with state sanctioned violence. After WWII we had some of our largest industrial strikes based on industries and the contracts they had with their employers.

But what this thread is encouraging is an industry wide strike based on government actions. That covers all workers.

Please name me one time that has happened. I’m not holding my breath, because you cannot. Cause it is not an American thing.

Rather than insulting my history knowledge you should post examples where Americans have had general strikes to protest government actions. That would effectively win your argument. What you offered was a gratuitous insult with no facts to support your position.

Have a very nice evening.

OP asked: Why are we not on General Strike?

You answered: Because that has never been an American thing. And on the whole that is not necessarily a bad thing.

Your reply was and is incorrect. Your subsequent reply to me was off topic and littered with straw men.

The men and women who subjected themselves to violence and abuse for the sake of us all are heroes and I'll be darned if I allow their sacrifices to be minimized by someone like you who neither deserves or appreciates it.

When asked why we are not on general strike I gave a factual answer, it is not something Americans historically done. Even you did not dispute that.

I then said that is a good thing and believe it. Because we decided out politics thru elections and laws.

Somehow I seemed to have communicated to you that I was attacking on the labor movement, which I am a huge supporter of. That on me, not you. The communicator holds the responsibility for conveying the message. If I had my way closed shop would be the law of the land. I’m not a socialist by any means, but I think at the end of the day business should have a healthy fear of their employees. If employees decide to strike I think the laws should be on their side and rather than getting rid of them employers should be forced to find a way to make their workforce willing to work. Or their business goes under.

The danger of communicating complicated ideas online is not being able to judge the verbal cues we evolved to get when actually speaking and the perceived differences end up being highlighted. Which is why I try not to do it too often, even on DU. Speech evolution depends highly on verbal cues. It is the main reason we see the fights we do here when we agree on almost all issues.

I would bet $1000 that if you and I were sitting over a beer, or iced tea or even Kombusha, whatever the hell that is, we would find ourselves in agreement.

I seriously wish you a nice evening.

I'm sorry, but it's true. I grew up in a union town where people stuck together. Miners on strike? Teachers went on strike, grocery workers, etc. They. Shut. It. Down!

Shit got ugly, real ugly.

No one has the stomach for that anymore. Things will have to get much worse before people will make those kinds of sacrifice

How many of them lost their jobs because they struck?

and have been ever since I retired last year.

making excuses and blaming others doesn't change things. Actually doing it does. I'm in - I'm not a point in my life when I can organize. But I'm in if it is organized.

But... we've lost our nerve and we will continue to get shat upon until we get it back and tell them where to put there shit.

What are you waiting for??

But how convenient.

Strikes -- particularly general strikes -- need specific and explicit goals, preferably as narrow as possible.

What goals would you want for this general strike? How would you get the message out and persuade people to participate?

I’ll join that strike!

go on strike now they are fired and if they have a union the officers will be arrested and the union fined.

I need my job.

I need a place to live. If I lose my apartment, I'll have to give up everything and move cross-country and start all over. I'd never be able to afford what apartments cost here now. I lose my family and all my relationships here.

I need health care. I'm blind in one eye, and the other one's like a patched-up old innertube.

I need to pay into retirement. I'll be 70 in April, and I have no idea when I'll be able to retire.

I need to eat to stay alive and keep working.

I need transportation.

Thanks for volunteering me to lose all that at my age. Honest question: Why aren't you out on general SOLIDARITY! strike?

I've been a Teamster in a newspaper strike. I was a rabid, firebreathing, law-breaking every day aggressive striker. Let's read about your war stories.

And the answer to the OPs question.

(that's not to denigrate your response. It's where most people are at)

so most people don't know what it is or what to do...........

Why aren't the unpaid workers striking? I mean seriously???

If they strike, they're fired and have nothing to go back to.

What is it you don’t understand about that?

People don’t want to starve, or their families to starve.

Yes, life might become hard for awhile but we wouldn't "starve".

The radical Moaists are correct. Americans have been bought and tamed by the corporate indoctrination. Not saying I agree with the Moaists, I don't but they are right about this. Americans are soft and allow the corporate plutocracy in which we live to dictate our lives.

We've grown quite soft and we are being run over and used as pawns in their game. This will only stop when we really fight back.

What I will do when it is just me,
and what I will do when I have little hungry faces looking up at me are two very different things.

Where are they now?

They resemble ostriches.

I'm a government worker, I'm in a union, and I'm essential personnel.

I don't have the right.

go through in the months, weeks, days and even hours leading up to the call to go out.

I have, and it's not fun. Especially the part about not getting paid.

Have you ever had to strike?

You need nice strong unions to pull that off. If we did it would be much easier to do this.. federal and non federal employees.

It's not being subservient.. there's so much involved in that it's not accurate to say people are just subservient.

that in many Americans and MSM. We would be back to the "both sides" argument. You know not of what you speak as far as long term.

I'm disappointed in DU's capability to think. I seriously am.

I'm disappointed you can't see that.

I will not join that scab.

I'm not talking about strikes in general, where a company or industry has struck. We know history is full of that.

I'm wondering about a General strike (with a capital G), where everyone says "No".

This isn't something that I recall from history class.

cities and crossed craft, trade or representation, but they are very few.

They’ve been beaten into a subservient existence; barely holding on as it is.

They’re terrified to lose hold on the last grip they’ve got.

Don’t blame the victim.

Blame the system.

I think they should be able to, but they can't.

If they strike, they will be fired and lose any and all benefits including pensions.

They cannot picket, either, except for a low-level "information picket," and cannot even do that if they are on the clock, or on Federal property.