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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy husband thinks Trump will defect to Russia.
But I think he's being a little dramatic. I'm right, right?
benld74
(9,910 posts)That would be admitting everything
Rorey
(8,445 posts)Individual 1 will no longer be useful to him.
denbot
(9,901 posts)That is what you do with spys, as an enticement to those willing to follow that path.
SuprstitionAintthWay
(386 posts)Apollyonus
(812 posts)simply because he may spill the beans on the whole operation as well as Brexit that he may have learnt from Nigel Farage.
Putil will promptly "resettle" him in some off-the-beaten-path place in Siberia.
aeromanKC
(3,327 posts)And what will happen with his kids..??
SWBTATTReg
(22,166 posts)Russia, other than being bribed w/ a pee tape (or worse). Worse is doing it w/ children ... what else would force someone of his stature to do something like this?
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)drumpf may have no other choice. Exile in Putinville, Russia!
Quixote1818
(28,976 posts)they were fucking with our elections etc. Even though everyone knows it, taking Trump in would look terrible for them.
greyl
(22,990 posts)Your husband's theory shouldn't be ruled out, but Trump has no property in Russia(afawk), and Putin already pwns Trump. I kinda think suicide is more likely if Trump feels his freedom will be restricted further than it already is. He's dropping hints about not being happy to be cooped up in the White House lately.
w100jmi
(97 posts)Or could be possible Dump hasn't delivered a promise he said he'd do and Putin sent people to kill dump? He's scared to go out?
2naSalit
(86,792 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,463 posts)... take his own life. He would be more likely to end up in Saudi Arabia after he leaves office. Probably with most of the family.
onenote
(42,763 posts)Freethinker65
(10,055 posts)If he can depart with the taxpayer money to build his wall, some nation would gladly take him and his family though.
Dan
(3,580 posts)Then he would be admitting that he is a Russian agent.
If he is identified as an agent of Russia, and proven to be, then he defects to avoid USA justice, one can only say (and I hope it does not come to that) .... there are drones that can track him until we can return him home to face justice.
But a bigger question to me is this...... what do we do to Russia???? This cannot go unpunished.
BeyondGeography
(39,380 posts)Hes gonna defect to Florida.
Mopar151
(9,999 posts)Or have Mar-A-Lago taken over by the Federal prison system. Might be able to place some other high profile criminals there. There are plenty of potential "trustys" in protective Fed. custody, for child molestation, sexual assault, etc that will toady up to the "Premium Inmates".
tanyev
(42,618 posts)That rarely ends well.
Kath2
(3,089 posts)On the other hand, his behavior is so erratic nothing would shock me.
jrthin
(4,837 posts)words bye-bye on the tip of my tongue. He's right! Right?
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)TomSlick
(11,109 posts)It would need to be somewhere from which the US cannot extradite and to which he could quickly move his money.
Russia meets that requirement and a dacha near Sochi would be comfortable enough. But he would have to be concerned that Putin would find him an embarrassing and he could have an "accident."
Trump has made himself so unpopular in the world, that all the possible countries I can imagine are real shit holes.
albacore
(2,406 posts)JHB
(37,162 posts)At that point, that's about the quality of the accommodations he would rate.
Cold War Spook
(1,279 posts)Putin can build him a place to live on the Kura Missile Test Range. They don't use it as much as they used to.
emulatorloo
(44,186 posts)JI7
(89,271 posts)sheshe2
(83,914 posts)Putin has no need for assets that are are no longer useful to him. Putin has a history of this. No wonder don is terrified. Tick Tock.
2naSalit
(86,792 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,214 posts).
Team Husband on this one.
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2naSalit
(86,792 posts)Xolodno
(6,401 posts)....imagine this.
"Trump leave the White House under cover and without the Secret Service to Reagan National. His personal plane, not Air Force 1, with Trump emblazoned on the side of it is fueled and ready to Taxi and the airport is under orders to let this plane ahead of the line as a matter of national security, holding a VIP from un-named country aboard. It takes off...to Russia, not to Moscow, but a remote airfield near Moscow.
Trump then requests asylum. Putin, smiles. Another gift landing right into his lap. If he accepts, he could say that the legitimate Executive of the USA was ran out and the USA is now under a corrupt government. This gives him more clout with Ukraine...but how much...probably not much...and not worth the trouble....no matter how much of a black eye the USA receives. But its option 1.
He could refuse, have his jet refueled and tell him to get the fuck out of here. Trump could return to the USA and under cloak and dagger, act like it never happened. No gain there...but that's option 2.
Like option 2, however, Trump is in such deep shit, he can't go back. So he runs to a different country that does take him. Putin can then say, he sought asylum...and refused. Giving him some cred in the world stage. That's option 3.
The next option, accept his asylum...tentatively and under secrecy. Then when everyone is asking where he is, sends out a message via back channels that they have Trump under house arrest when he entered Russia illegally. Cut a deal to get some sanctions removed and Putin extradites Trump back to the US. That's option 4.
Are there more options? Fairly sure. But, again, this is dependent on Trump getting a pardon. But if you ask me, he'll get it. Because whoever is next in line will be briefed on the possible embarrassing options to the country...and will weigh the risks of just getting him out of the way vs. another national embarrassment.
denbot
(9,901 posts)This would be inline with Putins goals of dividing the U.S. If youre rolling your eyes as you read this, do you really think the Fox News Nation will admit to being ignorant dupes, or continue the delusion that they are the real patriots?
Laffy Kat
(16,386 posts)When you think about it, though, what use would Putin have for an ex-prez? Not only that, 45 cannot be trusted with anything. Someone suggested that 45 may have an "accident" once Putin is done with him.
johnp3907
(3,733 posts)enid602
(8,653 posts)I do too. I really believe he was the recipient of a $1Billion commission on Putin's sale of 19% of Rosneft. All the drama that surrounds him serves one purpose, namely to stall, while the tRump organization stiffs suppliers and offshores cash flow. Who knows, he could have $2Billion socked away overseas. Then, he walks into Mueller's office. Mueller says the Secret Service will look the other way if the family leaves peaceably.
nini
(16,672 posts)I'm doubt Putin wants his sorry ass once he's no use to him.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)It's the Russian way.
nini
(16,672 posts)I want him to suffer...bigly.
Bettie
(16,126 posts)unless his handler (Melania) gets other instructions.
Besides, he's probably too far in debt to get to go to Moscow.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Otherwise the bile in the family will spill out in ugly dangerous ways again.
People close to him say he lives for revenge. It fuels him.
And so he must be made incapable of seeking it.
Choose one, Trump
The Manafort solution?
Or the Rosenberg solution.
StarryNite
(9,460 posts)He's no good to anybody.
2naSalit
(86,792 posts)a waste of good air which should be put to better use by endangered species.
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)for his age.
JI7
(89,271 posts)he would show Trump on tv and have him attack the US.
Kablooie
(18,641 posts)What good would he be to them?
It would be a political mess and he would be nothing but a drain on resources while contributing nothing.
Putin doesn't want that jerk anywhere near Russia once he's out of power in the US.
No. He may want to but he'd never be able to do it.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)That he will live out his last years in a golden penthouse tower in Moscow with his Putin next door.....
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)to the oligarchs.
Trumpy is being charged interest including late payment penalties. If hes not in good standing with these savages, theyll clean his teeth for him in a very efficient manner. Were I in Trumpys shoes, defecting to Russia is another way of saying suicide.
C_U_L8R
(45,021 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Gothmog
(145,567 posts)Vinca
(50,304 posts)MineralMan
(146,331 posts)I can hear Vladimir Putin very clearly in the future:
"Добро пожаловать в Россию, Дональд. Мы подготовили для вас прекрасную дачу в живописном Новосибирске. Эти господа сопроводят вас до вашего лимузина. Вы будете в самолете до Новосибирска в течение часа. Пейзаж там безмятежный и мирный."
Translation:
"Welcome to Russian, Donald. We have prepared a lovely dacha for you in scenic Novosibirsk. These gentlemen will escort you to your limousine. You'll be on a plane to Novosibirsk within the hour. The scenery there is serene and peaceful."
malaise
(269,172 posts)is their money. On the other hand he should be banished to Russia
Botany
(70,585 posts)Saudi Arabia
Prison
Suicide
All these mother fuckers who worked with and for Russia, screw with our elections,
and broadcast "real" fake news like Fox News deserve prison and or disgrace. That includes
the Mercers, Bannon, McConnell, Ryan, Rove, and Hannity.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,899 posts)understanding to what extent he's actually been an agent for Russia. Which he, I am sure, does not believe at all. He thinks that everything he's done has been his own idea, and because he knows very little about anything, has no clue where those ideas came from. If he's very, very lucky, he will be allowed to leave the White House and live in whatever properties he currently owns. Like Richard Nixon, he'll live in this country, but unlike Richard Nixon (who I thought should have died in prison) he will not be rehabilitated.
RockRaven
(15,002 posts)and for all practical purposes, he is in the custody of the Secret Service now. I don't see how he has the means or opportunity to defect, even if he has a motive to do so. Especially since Trump is world-class incompetent and cannot do anything for himself, he'd be relying on other people to arrange his travel -- which amplifies the opportunities for those who would stop him to learn what he's up to and intervene.
Also, once he's no longer POTUS, he does Putin more good (remember Putin's goal is strife within the US to weaken us in general an distract us from our egagement with the rest of the world) by being charged, tried, and convicted than he does being a Snowden-style defector. So Putin has no incentive to accept Trump as a defector.
yellerpup
(12,254 posts)He owes Putin money, he owes everyone money. He will learn what 'loyalty' means when he's broke.
jcgoldie
(11,646 posts)...but don't think that's very likely. Is your husband usually right about stuff?
Me.
(35,454 posts)He'd be leading the life of Snowden
mitch96
(13,925 posts)MSM love to present him and it would be a feather in FauxNoise cap...
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LakeSuperiorView
(1,533 posts)Apollyonus
(812 posts)There were obviously other presidential candidates who got the benefit of fake news postings at sites like DC Leaks and Russian bot swarms.
Maybe they will defect too!