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fescuerescue

(4,448 posts) Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:02 PM Jan 2019

Could this shutdown last months? Years?

I was sure it would be over by now. People are really starting to hurt.

If Trump won't budge, are their legal means are available to force him to budge?

Impeachment proceedings? What about an injunction? 25th amendment? This cannot be allowed to last much longer.

Can Mueller order Trump to resume government, since this amounts to essentially obstruction of justice (funding of his investigation)?

Can Pelosi declare an emergency and provide funding?

I just can't believe that we are at the mercy of this man.

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Could this shutdown last months? Years? (Original Post) fescuerescue Jan 2019 OP

My fear is the only thing that will break the impasse is a tragic or catastrophic event Siwsan Jan 2019 #1

The goal is to inflict pain and gum up the works for as long as possible. Claritie Pixie Jan 2019 #2

Well I guess my question is what legal means are their fescuerescue Jan 2019 #3

The GOP could end this immediately by passing a veto-proof CR. Claritie Pixie Jan 2019 #4

That isn't comforting at all fescuerescue Jan 2019 #8

how long would Vladimir Putin like to have our government shutdown last? 0rganism Jan 2019 #5

Passing a veto-proof bill in both chambers to open the government would end the shutdown. Period. Bleacher Creature Jan 2019 #6

No. It couldn't. MineralMan Jan 2019 #7

+1. I think it's going to be air travel dalton99a Jan 2019 #12

Depends on how many industries you want to shut down jberryhill Jan 2019 #9

I doubt the OP's desires to shut down industries is relevant. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #16

It's a figure of speech jberryhill Jan 2019 #18

months yes, years no. qazplm135 Jan 2019 #10

If the Gubmint really is shit for months, it will have a major impact on the economy. Adrahil Jan 2019 #14

The Turtle has no doubt given President Bullshit a deadline maxsolomon Jan 2019 #11

We'll see... the polls are showing a major impact on Trump and the GOP. Adrahil Jan 2019 #13

It will end as soon as the air traffic controllers walk off in a mass sickout Arazi Jan 2019 #15

I fear it might be up to Democrats in the house to be the adults and allow the G to open. Joe941 Jan 2019 #17

Siwsan

(26,289 posts)

1. My fear is the only thing that will break the impasse is a tragic or catastrophic event

Reply to fescuerescue (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:06 PM

Jan 2019

And it makes me shudder to think it may involve an air liner.

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)

2. The goal is to inflict pain and gum up the works for as long as possible.

Reply to fescuerescue (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:07 PM

Jan 2019

Then declare a perpetual state of emergency and force dictatorship. Much like what Turkey has done.

Will the GOP and SC allow it?

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)

3. Well I guess my question is what legal means are their

Reply to Claritie Pixie (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:08 PM

Jan 2019

what can the GOP and SC do?

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)

4. The GOP could end this immediately by passing a veto-proof CR.

Reply to fescuerescue (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:12 PM

Jan 2019

McConnell won't even allow a vote at this point though. Dems have said if a bogus state of emergency is declared they will sue which would go to SC.

It's really up to the GOP.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)

8. That isn't comforting at all

Reply to Claritie Pixie (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:14 PM

Jan 2019

0rganism

(23,970 posts)

5. how long would Vladimir Putin like to have our government shutdown last?

Reply to fescuerescue (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:13 PM

Jan 2019

i'm going with months -- destabilize us too fast, and the instability might impact his profit margins. there's always the next budget cycle for his minions to work us over.

bonus round: how much would Vladimir Putin like us to spend on a southern border wall?

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)

6. Passing a veto-proof bill in both chambers to open the government would end the shutdown. Period.

Reply to fescuerescue (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:13 PM

Jan 2019

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)

7. No. It couldn't.

Reply to fescuerescue (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:14 PM

Jan 2019

At some point, those people who are not being paid will no longer show up for work. At that point, our entire air transport industry will cease to operate.

I can guarantee that Congress will pass bills to restore payment to those workers, in numbers that are certain to override any veto.

We simply have not reached that point yet. We will, if it is not solved in another way.

dalton99a

(81,570 posts)

12. +1. I think it's going to be air travel

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 02:31 PM

Jan 2019

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)

9. Depends on how many industries you want to shut down

Reply to fescuerescue (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:36 PM

Jan 2019

Air transport is the obvious first one to go, but there are others in line behind that one.

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)

16. I doubt the OP's desires to shut down industries is relevant.

Reply to jberryhill (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 05:32 PM

Jan 2019

Or even exists.

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)

18. It's a figure of speech

Reply to LanternWaste (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 05:42 PM

Jan 2019

It's "you" as "one".

I had not actually imagined that the OP was, in fact, the person in charge of whether the government is shut down.

But thank you for your comment. I was starting to miss you.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)

10. months yes, years no.

Reply to fescuerescue (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:39 PM

Jan 2019

At some point, things start to fall apart, the economy and stock market start really being affected, maybe flights stop happening, there's a whole list of bad things that are inevitable and the public will nearly unanimously say open up or else, and Republicans will be forced to pass a resolution with a veto-proof majority to open the government.

ONLY when the republicans fear the normals more than the Trump crazies will that happen though, and that probably does take months from now.

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)

14. If the Gubmint really is shit for months, it will have a major impact on the economy.

Reply to qazplm135 (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 02:38 PM

Jan 2019

None of this is going to be good for Trump and the GrOPers.

maxsolomon

(33,400 posts)

11. The Turtle has no doubt given President Bullshit a deadline

Reply to fescuerescue (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 02:30 PM

Jan 2019

After which he'll be bypassed.

The SOTU makes sense - 1/29.

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)

13. We'll see... the polls are showing a major impact on Trump and the GOP.

Reply to fescuerescue (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 02:37 PM

Jan 2019

I think the GOP will only hold out for so long.

Lots of GOP Senate seats in potentially vulnerable spots. I have to think at some point they see their own electoral doom continuing this madness.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)

15. It will end as soon as the air traffic controllers walk off in a mass sickout

Reply to fescuerescue (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 02:45 PM

Jan 2019

They (and TSA agents) hold the key. Shut down air transport, including #TrumpCrimeFamily, and deals will be made immediately

Joe941

(2,848 posts)

17. I fear it might be up to Democrats in the house to be the adults and allow the G to open.

Reply to fescuerescue (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 05:40 PM

Jan 2019

I think they can get a lot in return for the 5 billion for the wall. Possibly 5 billion in funds for social programs, DACA, etc. Its sad but this is serious and the Government will have to open eventually.

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