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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,194 posts) Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:31 PM Jan 2019

Why do people use the Vatican as an example of a country surrounded by walls?

This is the "border" between Italy and the Vatican at the Piazza San Pietro.

As you can see, you can freely walk in and out of the Vatican as easily if you were crossing the street in your local town.

Sure, there are ancient walls at the other end of the Vatican, but those are pretty much decorative at this point.

The argument itself is silly, but it's also fatally dishonest.

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Why do people use the Vatican as an example of a country surrounded by walls? (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2019 OP

I was there in 2018 and only remember walking over a bridge to get to the Vatican kimbutgar Jan 2019 #1

I was there 40 years ago. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2019 #2

There is a wall on one side at least. It was about 30 feet high. applegrove Jan 2019 #3

Right. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2019 #4

Yes. applegrove Jan 2019 #9

So? The fake story is that it's surrounded by walls. Having an old wall on one side pnwmom Jan 2019 #6

Absolutely. applegrove Jan 2019 #8

there's a big bunch of water around Venice onethatcares Jan 2019 #5

Because they are idiots who graduated from US schools Hekate Jan 2019 #7

I think it was intentionally a bust on Nancy Pelosi peggysue2 Jan 2019 #10

kimbutgar

(21,182 posts)

1. I was there in 2018 and only remember walking over a bridge to get to the Vatican

Reply to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:34 PM

Jan 2019

And when we left the Vatican I saw no walls and walked freely to the subway.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,749 posts)

2. I was there 40 years ago.

Reply to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:41 PM

Jan 2019

Walked right in from the Via di Concilizaione, no passport required.

Now the Berlin Wall, just a few years earlier, that was entirely different and rather frightening even though I had no need to be frightened. But the guards there were intimidating and I was 22 and on my own.

applegrove

(118,767 posts)

3. There is a wall on one side at least. It was about 30 feet high.

Reply to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 04:15 PM

Jan 2019

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,194 posts)

4. Right.

Reply to applegrove (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 04:20 PM

Jan 2019

And on the other side you can literally walk right in.

applegrove

(118,767 posts)

9. Yes.

Reply to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 04:47 PM

Jan 2019

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)

6. So? The fake story is that it's surrounded by walls. Having an old wall on one side

Reply to applegrove (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 04:43 PM

Jan 2019

doesn't prevent anyone from walking, biking, or driving around it.

applegrove

(118,767 posts)

8. Absolutely.

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 04:47 PM

Jan 2019

onethatcares

(16,182 posts)

5. there's a big bunch of water around Venice

Reply to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 04:29 PM

Jan 2019

maybe the should use that as an example?

Hekate

(90,779 posts)

7. Because they are idiots who graduated from US schools

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Mon Jan 14, 2019, 04:45 PM

Jan 2019

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)

10. I think it was intentionally a bust on Nancy Pelosi

Reply to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 04:49 PM

Jan 2019

He knows she's Catholic, so like a third-grader he brings up the Vatican. Plus, he hasn't been happy with comments coming from Pope Francis.

So, it's a twofer for the man-baby.

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