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dsc

(52,169 posts)
Mon Jan 14, 2019, 08:56 PM Jan 2019

It is ridiculous to say that LGBT voters can't hold politicians accountable for being stone cold

anti gay bigots because most politicians opposed marriage equality. Congresswoman Gabbard, as a State Representative, not only opposed both marriage equality and civil unions which very few Democrats did, she also favored amending both the Hawaiian and the US Constitutions to ban both marriage equality and civil unions (only 2 Democratic senators voted for it Byrd and Nelson of NE), she also called people who advocated for even civil unions homosexual extremists, and blamed negative press coverage of her on homosexual extremists. It would be extremely difficult to find any other Democrats engaging in that behavior in 2004. Gabbard was exceptionally anti gay and was that as a 22 year old state representative, not a teenager who lived under her father's roof.

Yes, marriage equality, was opposed by nearly every elected official but virtually no elected Democratic official was as off the charts anti gay as Gabbard. For straight people to tell us we can't hold her accountable for this is plain straight privilege.

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It is ridiculous to say that LGBT voters can't hold politicians accountable for being stone cold (Original Post) dsc Jan 2019 OP
k & R obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #1
K and r. Tipperary Jan 2019 #2
My mom, who passed away in 1996 at the age of 92 akraven Jan 2019 #3
I wonder how she would have voted on the Defense of Marriage Act bahrbearian Jan 2019 #4
Hear hear EffieBlack Jan 2019 #5
Not only do I want you to hold her accountable. Blue_true Jan 2019 #6
Count me in there, too! Cha Jan 2019 #10
Yeah, they're acting like they don't have a clue.. Cha Jan 2019 #7
which is relevant now because of the creeping religious exemptions that are being requested dsc Jan 2019 #8
Kick mcar Jan 2019 #9
HI needs to find a real Dem for that role. Gabbard aint it. RainCaster Jan 2019 #11
I'm of two minds on this. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #12
Right. As recently as 2015, her PERSONAL view was OPPOSED to marriage equality. pnwmom Jan 2019 #13

akraven

(1,975 posts)
3. My mom, who passed away in 1996 at the age of 92
Mon Jan 14, 2019, 09:05 PM
Jan 2019

always said it was stupid to allow any church to deny marriage to a couple already married in their own eyes. Same applies to government. Period.

My mom's stylist was married to his partner for 45 years before the first legislation came about to allow them to do it "legally".

I wouldn't spit in Gabbard's direction if she was on fire.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
5. Hear hear
Mon Jan 14, 2019, 09:17 PM
Jan 2019

Lots of people had to work through their prejudices. But no one should who so proudly displayed and touted their bigotry should get a pass.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
6. Not only do I want you to hold her accountable.
Mon Jan 14, 2019, 09:28 PM
Jan 2019

I will help you do it. Her stand is just unacceptable.

Cha

(297,774 posts)
7. Yeah, they're acting like they don't have a clue..
Mon Jan 14, 2019, 09:32 PM
Jan 2019


Tulsi Gabbard's LGBTQ Views Have Reportedly Changed Over Time — But Many Say That's Not Enough

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"Earlier in Gabbard's career, Jacobin reported that she was anti-choice and in favor of a constitutional amendment that defined marriage as between a man and a woman. She also argued that Democrats "should be representing the views of the people, not a small number of homosexual extremists," per Jacobin.

snip//

This shift in her views, however, was not enough to earn her an endorsement from Hawaii's LGBT Caucus. According to Maui Time Weekly, the caucus did not endorse Gabbard in her 2016 Congressional race, arguing that Gabbard still personally opposed same-sex marriage even if she abstained from taking political action on it. The caucus cited a 2015 interview that Gabbard had done with Ozy, in which she stated that she did not want to emulate a theocratic government “imposing its will” on its people.

https://www.bustle.com/p/tulsi-gabbards-lgbtq-views-have-reportedly-changed-over-time-but-many-say-thats-not-enough-15794044

I've also read her personal feelings haven't changed.. she's just not going to go about trying to change our laws.

dsc

(52,169 posts)
8. which is relevant now because of the creeping religious exemptions that are being requested
Mon Jan 14, 2019, 09:34 PM
Jan 2019

constantly. Would she be in favor of those?

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
12. I'm of two minds on this.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 01:55 PM
Jan 2019

First, WTF? Her past words and actions fall in-line with some of the most horrific Republicans. The straight up promotion of hate that leads to not only oppression, but deaths as well.

Second, the grassroots movement to change minds and educate in this area is one of the most impressive movements this country has ever seen. I think people who change should be held in high regard. But Gabbard has comments on record that seem to show she didn't change her views on the issue, just governments role. It's my understanding she holds many of her old views to this day.

No pass can be given. It's not just about what she has said. It's also about the reason she has given as to why she legislates in a different manner than she once did.

pnwmom

(109,000 posts)
13. Right. As recently as 2015, her PERSONAL view was OPPOSED to marriage equality.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 06:45 PM
Jan 2019

So her heart hasn't changed. Just her politics.

The quote below is from an article dated Sept. 27, 2015.

https://mauitime.com/news/politics/heres-why-the-hawaii-lgbt-caucus-doesnt-support-rep-tulsi-gabbards-reelection-campaign/

“Fittingly for her narrative, though, the explanation for her changed ideology feints us back onto familiar territory–the military,” states the article. “It was, she says, the days in the Middle East that taught her the dangers of a theocratic government ‘imposing its will’ on the people. (She tells me that, no, her personal views haven’t changed, but she doesn’t figure it’s her job to do as the Iraqis did and force her own beliefs on others.)”

So after all this time, Gabbard still personally opposes same-sex marriage, but won’t say or do anything politically about it? This puts her campaign statement on same-sex marriage that we cited above in an entirely different light.

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