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All news networks "we have not independently confirmed" (Original Post) Watchfoxheadexplodes Jan 2019 OP
They have not done their own research. Sounds like a cop-out (or a time-filler). flor-de-jasmim Jan 2019 #1
It means this: madaboutharry Jan 2019 #2
The news networks need first hand proof. democratisphere Jan 2019 #3
When Cohen admits it Iliyah Jan 2019 #4
What I heard is that Mueller has numerous other sources MoonRiver Jan 2019 #7
It means that they cannot vouch for the Buzzfeed story. LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #5
Did they independently confirm any of the shit they repeated about Hillary Clinton malaise Jan 2019 #6
THAT!! allgood33 Jan 2019 #8
Thank you, Mal! Zoonart Jan 2019 #10
She is a Democrat and a women . . Iliyah Jan 2019 #13
another reason why bdamomma Jan 2019 #15
Great point exboyfil Jan 2019 #14
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2019 #19
I have no idea what HRC stories the mainstream media took from the NE and reported karynnj Jan 2019 #21
"Ohhhh, you would have to bring that up." - Corporate Blowdry Media, Inc. (R) Achilleaze Jan 2019 #26
to me it means orangecrush Jan 2019 #9
No it means the Con is calling their big bosses malaise Jan 2019 #20
quite possible. orangecrush Jan 2019 #22
Most likely... nt 2naSalit Jan 2019 #31
I feel like this is kind of a cop out, because they say this, but then in the next breath.... SKKY Jan 2019 #11
Even the buzzfeed reporter (that isn't the assclown Leopold) says he didn't see the evidence. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2019 #12
Does anyone get the feeling of a exboyfil Jan 2019 #18
EXACTLY karynnj Jan 2019 #24
Sources Pantagruel Jan 2019 #29
I thought they said they were from exboyfil Jan 2019 #30
Upon rereading Pantagruel Jan 2019 #33
Why did the investigators leak this exboyfil Jan 2019 #34
They are being professional journalist and they are entirely correct in doing so karynnj Jan 2019 #16
It's a routine disclaimer that means they're reporting what another outlet has reported without WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #17
"We want to be the first network to break the story if it's true, and the first network Aristus Jan 2019 #23
It means that who ever is talking to Buzzfeed Corgigal Jan 2019 #25
It means they don't have Buzzfeed's source Recursion Jan 2019 #27
Jason Leopold is a known fabricator ... GeorgeGist Jan 2019 #28
It means they just have the reporters' word for it so far. Adrahil Jan 2019 #32
Thats why ksoze Jan 2019 #35
Their own sourcing cannot confirm it...... nt UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #36

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
7. What I heard is that Mueller has numerous other sources
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:55 AM
Jan 2019

verifying this. Hopefully all that info will be revealed soon.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
5. It means that they cannot vouch for the Buzzfeed story.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:54 AM
Jan 2019

No matter how much we want this story to be true, we need to put it aside until it is corroborated.

malaise

(269,216 posts)
6. Did they independently confirm any of the shit they repeated about Hillary Clinton
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:55 AM
Jan 2019

most of which came from the National Enquirer

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
14. Great point
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:01 AM
Jan 2019

Breathlessly reading unvetted Wikileaks without any context or any attempt to contact the parties who had their emails stolen for comment.

karynnj

(59,507 posts)
21. I have no idea what HRC stories the mainstream media took from the NE and reported
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:12 AM
Jan 2019

without questioning. If you mean the email story, the first account was the NYT and it clearly had spoken to the State Department because they had direct quotes. If you mean the earlier stories about the emails to Sidney Blumenthal - that included testimony before Congressional committees.

I think the HRC health issue was covered in the mainstream press to reject the NE stories that she was unhealthy. It is true that they covered the wikileaks emails. However, no one questioned that those emails were not real -- just that they were - obviously - cherry picked. (It was only via social media where you could micro-target that bizzare meanings were given to rather mundane emails. ie ordering pizza is not unusual or evil.)

SKKY

(11,826 posts)
11. I feel like this is kind of a cop out, because they say this, but then in the next breath....
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:58 AM
Jan 2019

..."Joining us now is Yada Yada Yada from Blah Blah Blah whose reporting helped break the story." So, I don't know. In the Navy we have a saying, "What you permit, you promote." I think they're getting the benefit of something without putting their own skin in the game. Just my humble opinion.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,974 posts)
12. Even the buzzfeed reporter (that isn't the assclown Leopold) says he didn't see the evidence.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:59 AM
Jan 2019

I wouldn't put a lot of faith in this until it gets verified by actual journalists.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
18. Does anyone get the feeling of a
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:04 AM
Jan 2019

Killian memo time.

I really don't like the fact that two investigators on Mueller's team actually leaked this story (if that is true).

Stop with the damn leaks until it is confirmed that you are prevented from moving forward. Then you have reason to leak. Heck you have a reason to go in front of every camera as a whistle blower.

karynnj

(59,507 posts)
24. EXACTLY
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:29 AM
Jan 2019

Rathers had a tight, well documented case that without using that memo had many sources with essentially the same story. Bush had a problem when he was in the National Guard. That was lost when the right - suspiciously within minutes - questioned the typewriters of that time being the source of that letter. (Ignored was that a secretary confirmed to Rather that she did write something similar. (In fact, one conjecture is the Killion memo's content was real -- it was just retyped and RW bloggers clued in to make the objections. )

Here, Trump Towers Moscow was obviously something that went beyond what Trump has said in 2016 and afterward. In addition, while Trump Towers Moscow is suspicious -- it is but one of the Trump/Russia issues. That Trump may well have been used to launder Russian money long before 2015/2016 and might be compromised could be true even if the whole Trump Towers Moscow is a complete fake story. (A fake story the RW created and left as bait to discredit any REAL Russia Trump issues.)

Just as Rathers was fired and the Republicans claimed that Bush's National Guard was "vindicated"; if this is a false story, when it is rejected, the Republicans will move to claim that that being false means that there was no Russia/Trump connection. (Note that even though the NAVY records were the story questioned by the swiftboat liars, no such vindication was given Kerry - even as many lies were shown to be lies.)

Michael Cohen is testifying in less than three weeks -- all elected Democrats would be better off stating that this has to be investigated and that it should be one of many questions when he testifies.

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
29. Sources
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:57 AM
Jan 2019

"I really don't like the fact that two investigators on Mueller's team actually leaked this story (if that is true). "

Aren't investigators from SDNY also looking into Cohen,maybe they are the LEOs who are leaking?

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
30. I thought they said they were from
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:58 AM
Jan 2019

Mueller's team? It still does not change the point I made, but it does make it more likely that it really happened (I can't see a Mueller investigator leaking).

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
33. Upon rereading
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 01:33 PM
Jan 2019

it does seem the investigators were from Mueller's team-sorry.
I also heard besides the 2 on record confirmations, they got 4 off record confirms plus this:

"The special counsel’s office learned about Trump’s directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents. Cohen then acknowledged those instructions during his interviews with that office."

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
34. Why did the investigators leak this
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 01:44 PM
Jan 2019

On the record? Unauthorized leaks are grounds for dismissal. Did Mueller authorize them to leak?

karynnj

(59,507 posts)
16. They are being professional journalist and they are entirely correct in doing so
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:02 AM
Jan 2019

First of all, they ARE reporting this -- a sign they think it credible enough and important enough that they are not refusing to risk it blowing up on them. However, they are noting that they themselves have no proof that that report is accurate.

This makes sense because Buzzfeed is not as reputable a source as many other sources and it is standard practice for new organizations to make that caveat even when quoting each other -- ie the WP reporting NYT reporting.

It is also a caution for us. It sounds real and in a few weeks, we will likely know when Cohen testifies. The fact that Ivanka's spokespeople have responded on her role on the project - not totally rejecting some parts of the Cohen story (but not the key suborning perjury) is interesting.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,464 posts)
17. It's a routine disclaimer that means they're reporting what another outlet has reported without
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:03 AM
Jan 2019

having checked it themselves. That's all.

Aristus

(66,478 posts)
23. "We want to be the first network to break the story if it's true, and the first network
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:24 AM
Jan 2019

to condemn the story if it's a hoax. Please stand by..."

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
25. It means that who ever is talking to Buzzfeed
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:31 AM
Jan 2019

doesn't trust the rest of you guys. See Christopher Steele.

Media get better, damn it. Fast.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
27. It means they don't have Buzzfeed's source
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:44 AM
Jan 2019

Happens a lot, especially right after a story breaks. One source is willing to talk to one reporter only. They usually eventually tease it out of the other people who know, it just takes a while.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
32. It means they just have the reporters' word for it so far.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 01:16 PM
Jan 2019

Usually, a news org will try to follow up something like this with their own sources and see if any of them give them a "yup." Be cautious on this until we get some other independent confirmation.

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