I could just as easily see the Republicans go full fascist as I could see them impeaching Trump.

Impeachment is done in the House. Speaker Pelosi has enough votes to impeach trump. Then it goes to the Senate where they vote to try trump. The Senate is run by repubs and it would take more trump crimes for them to vote to try trump and find him guilty. Just like with Bill Clinton, trump would go down in history as being impeached.

Getting rid of Trump has the potential to bring this country together. Your point is taken. I was thinking of how the process will play out.

Impeachment won't do much good if Republicans ignore all his crimes and keep him in power. Bill Clinton's approval went up after being impeached since he wasn't convicted.

It is the process of bringing charges against the President. In a criminal court, it would be bringing an indictment. It requires only a simple majority of those present and voting in the House to Impeach the President.

Once that is done the Senate must try the charges and a conviction requires a super-majority. Removal from office is but one of the options available to the Senate. Impeachment does not rest on what the Senate finds.



Personally, I would not be satisfied with mere Impeachment - I want removal from office followed by prison time and asset forfeiture. I want him to own nothing more than a one bedroom residence (which he will never see). I want him to die in Prison and be buried in a public urinal. I would also like the beer concession next to said urinal, but that would be frosting.

I would provide craft beers at modest rates and cheap beer just above cost. Just enough overhead for living wages for me and my employees.

street skills should it come to some '68 style crapola in the streets. They will be so surprised. And, if they do go American Nai...might just as well really clean them out, and save the world and our Country for our kids, and their kids.
STAMP OUT THE GOP.

Republicans are faced with a choice of being branded as a racist, white collar crime party forever, or turning on the tRump government shutdown, which fuels the import of illegal weapons and drugs. Also, by destabilizing TSA, Teflon Don plans to crate a terrorist incident on a US commercial aircraft to distract media away from his high crimes and TREASON.

I’ve never had much sympathy for wounds that are self-inflicted. PARTICULARLY in cases where there were red flags EVERYWHERE. Warnings EVERYWHERE. Strong credible hints and direct evidence EVERYWHERE.

And most of ‘em simply did not care. From so much of what I’ve read, the prevailing attitude was - damn the torpedoes. I heard and read WAY too many quotes along the lines of “I just wanna blow it all up!” and/or “I just wanna burn it all down!” Even in the midst of all the warnings and all the lies and all the red flags.

And what these short-sighted get-yer-mad-on voters never bothered to consider was:
1) a LOT of innocent Americans are gonna get hurt. In many cases, gonna get hurt A TON. We’re seeing multiple rather agonizing real-life stories, on the air and in print and online about this, almost literally by the minute! And right NOW, too.
And
2) has it ever occurred to you that YOU are gonna be stuck having to live IN the wreckage and chaos of whatever you blew up or burned down? This won’t just happen to some nameless, faceless Somebody-Else over there somewhere, but magically sparing you.

... so ... brainwashed!

I totally get you Calimary. The stupid people of America saw him as their stupid-messiah. They don't have to think, they just have to listen to Rush and Faux News.

I still don't think that the GOP Senate will get two-thirds votes to convict.

The repubs were hard with Nixon until the tapes were made public. Nixon was told they had the votes to convict which is why he resigned.

It's possible that could happen here. If they get clear smoking guns such as taped conversations, emails and texts that paint a convincing portrait, they could finally decide to unhitch their car from the trump train rather than be tainted with the corruption. I'm not holding my breath for that, but I won't rule it out either.

I don't think it's impossible - most senators of both parties harbor at least some dream of becoming president. If Donny Dollhands is out of the way, at least the Republicans will figure they're 1 step closer to being in the Oval Office.

He won't even vote to end the shut down

since the Chief Justice presides over the preceding, I'm not sure it's something Mitch could just sit on

His pardon was assured. He could retreat into a new life as a retired (though somewhat tarnished) elder statesman.

Trump has no such luxury. Lawsuits and criminal charges abound for him and his family at the non-pardonable state level. The Trump "brand" is shit. No one's ever going to be buying Trump ties, Trump suits, Ivanka shoes, Trump vodka, Trump steaks, Trump University, or--most importantly--condos in fire trap Trump buildings ever again. He is well and truly fucked if he were ever to leave office. He knows this. This is why he will NEVER leave under his own power. He will have to be physically carried out...by the Secret Service, Seal Team 6, or whomever. But he absolutely will not voluntarily leave.

That said, the impetus has to come from Republican congresspeople. Otherwise, the RW will spin it as a "coup." I'm not sure what will be left of the country in two years, but I think if Dems don't pursue impeachment the 2020 election could be a landslide for the Dems.

Question: If he is impeached, what happens to the Mueller investigation?

If the Dems don't impeach, they will have failed in their jobs to hold tRump accountable and allowed a criminal to continue to operate knowing what he's done.

If tRump is impeached, the investigation could continue if it's still unfinished. It's criminal so it won't stop until Mueller gives his final report to the AG.

if Dem leadership decides it's strategic to hold impeachment for now while the waters
rise around Repubs, that might be the best long term strategy.
Can't afford a wrong move at this stage.

TSA and air traffic controllers working for nothing till they're exhausted?

Children expelled from families with DHS pre-planning and approval?

Two more years (at least) of a president that was investigated by his own FBI for potentially being a Russian agent?

What's the threshold for "fish or cut bait"? How much evidence of collusion, corruption, and potential treason has to mount before the Democratic majority takes the obvious step of impeachment? Does any president you can name deserve impeachment more?

Your argument is basically, if we impeach, things could get worse. Really? In what way? We're only one year from the Iowa caucus, staring down a Trump reelection campaign. Will we really be better off then?

The country is in crisis. No end in sight. The only governance happening now is for optics - anti-choice bills and border walls. I think it's pretty obvious that no potential solution should be left untried, including impeachment.

I'd rather take the chance that the ass-licking trumpistas get their knickers in knots than the rather certain fate that the US will not be a land of promise and hope.

Or maybe an Alaskan Independent? Wait, that’s Senate. Republican Statesman in the House. Any suggestions?

they are all shit bag corrupt assholes

Because Ryan/McConnell spent two years providing absolutely NO, literally N O, oversight over the most corrupt and traitorous POS we have had in the Oval Office, the window is this year, and there is SO much that needs to be vetted out in congress to justifiably vote on impeachment.

I get it, if there is even such a thing, this scumbag should get it, but you can't just whip it together like that. It has to be comprehensive and have depth to it.

What Rs ARE going to do, is squeal like pigs that you can't impeach a POTUS in the year of his re-election, and more importantly, that is what McConnell will do to prevent it coming up in the Senate even if it can somehow find its way through the House.

I'm feeling more and more that the constant requoting of the inanities of repuglicon spokesthings is lending credence to their lies and innuendos. Of course there's nothing to be done about the "news" and opinion outlets that are funded by the fomenters of hatred but I do expect better from the main-stream. I still feel very public boycotts are a leverage.

So what did that new Congressperson say?

That's right - "Impeach the motherfucker!"

But this is the necessary groundwork that must be done in advance of impeachment. While those of us tuned into politics have gotten good and sick of this bandit regime, a very large swath of the populace barely has an idea that something is rotten in Denmark. We need to publicize, educate, and advocate, and reach as broad an audience as we can. There is a dedicated, hard-core group that will support McDonald right or wrong or catastrophically wrong, and they have a reliable and vocal mouthpiece in the Fox cluster of stations and cable channels.

We've got to amplify and repeat stories like this, and make sure they penetrate the public consciousness. Impeachment is possible, but a lot more people have to get on board with the concept. We're a lot closer now than we were even a month ago, and Democrats have held the House for a mere two weeks. Keep the momentum going.

Don't Stop
Fleetwood Mac
If you wake up and don't want to smile
If it takes just a little while
Open your eyes and look at the day
You'll see things in a different way
Don't stop thinking about tomorrow
Don't stop, it'll soon be here
It'll be, better than before
Yesterday's gone, yesterday's gone
Why not think about times to come?
And not about the things that you've done
If your life was bad to you
Just think what tomorrow will do
Don't stop thinking about tomorrow
Don't stop, it'll soon be here
It'll be, better than before,
Yesterday's gone, yesterday's gone
All I want is to see you smile
If it takes just a little while
I know you don't believe that it's true
I never meant any harm to you
Don't stop thinking about tomorrow

a senate trial if the House impeached Trump.

And the majority of Republicans would join his shit-eating feast before removing Trump from office.

We're stuck with the orange madman until we vote him out in 2020. Or until he decides to start launching nukes and destroying the world.

"The special counsel's office learned about Trump's directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails."

Wow!

That is all

Also, whether impeached or not, Repukes in the Senate have allowed Teflon Don to trap them into either rebuking him or being branded as racists, traitors with criminal intent by tRump tweets, lies and affiliations with enemies of the USA, including (but not limited to) North Korea. Who remembers when "W" called North Korea part of the "axis of evil?" At the very least many Republican Senators are a bunch of double-dealing hypocrites!

Sorry to be a buzzkill, but I think impeachment is STILL "not on the table".

"it doesn't seem likely at all..."

Plus 48 years of voting as a Democrat and being a political junkie, you get a feel for these things.

It’s still a long shot.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/18/five-big-takeaways-stunning-report-that-trump-told-cohen-lie/
Five big takeaways from the stunning report that Trump told Cohen to lie

Washington Post
By Greg Sargent

January 18, 2019
During the Watergate scandal, it appeared for months — and even for years — that nothing would ever emerge that could possibly bring down President Richard Nixon. 


Until, suddenly, something did emerge — the tapes. And then Nixon’s seeming invulnerability rapidly gave way to a new reality in which his downfall appeared inevitable.


Such is sometimes the narrative arc of major scandals. It should be said that right now, it’s very possible that President Trump will survive his legal travails. Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III may find criminal conduct but decline to indict; or he may find damning misconduct but nothing illegal; and in either of those cases, any impeachment effort could end up foundering amid the skittishness of House Democrats or, if not, crashing against the wall of the GOP Senate. In these scenarios, Trump could easily get reelected.
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they can run on that in 2020. They'll get massacred.

It seems highly unlikely that Mueller won't recommend Impeachment at this point. The evidence of obstruction of justice and witness tampering is pretty overwhelming - and that's the stuff Gump posts on Twitter lol.

Dems to sit on their hands. Everyone here and the entire of the political community talks about how his criminal behavior is being normalized. If we do not act are we not doing the same?

Yes, Bill Clinton’s popularity rose following his impeachment in congress. Come on.... You really think this is the same??!!

Now they can all scream fake news a little louder