That statement is utter bullshit and she knows it. There was no due process.

We have plenty of people who want to run for president. We don't need her.

She wants to be the one person arbiter of all that is right and just--sans following any of the procedures set forth to fairly investigate.

Still defiant and hasn't learned a GD thing. Poor judgement is only the first of many reasons I won't support her in any Dem Primary election for President.

I will never vote for her.. period

not to a Congressional investigation. So since Franken never committed a crime, he would have never gotten due process.

but I suppose she got rid of one potential contender for good

And missed an opportunity to be a heroine, exposing dirty machinations of pigs like Stone.

Tweeden was working with that asshole Sean Hannity, too. Michael Cohn is/was Hannity's attorney. Cohn passed out cash to shut up porn stars and playboy bunnies.

Did Cohn give cash to Tweeden to get her to falsely accuse Franken? And release a gag photo that shows Al (a comedian on a raunchy USO tour) NOT touching Tweeden, who herself was shown groping a male performer's ass on same USO tour?

Did Cohn give cash or something else valuable to other accusers?

We will never know because an investigation was never done.

The smart thing for Gillibrand to do was allow an investigation proceed, an investigation that might've exposed Roger Stone for the rat-effing creep that he is.

....

My decision is to not vote for you unless you are the only Dem candidate.

nt

If she's the eventual nominee, then of course she'll get my vote. She'll likely be my LAST choice in the primary.

More like her premature decision to bypass an investigation kept Roger Stone’s hit job from becoming widely known.

She could have exposed Roger Stone as a dirty guy, and shown that fact to people who might not even know who Stone is.

Pro-tip: when Roger Stone pre-tweets that tomorrow is "insert Dem. name here"'s time in the barrel, stop, take a deep breath, and investigate. Stone's up to no good.

She sounds defensive and, to me, offensive.

'Credible allegations' my ass.

I stopped reading after that, such pure and unadulterated horseshit.

Reminder that the eighth allegation was Tina Dupuy giving a dramaticized account of how Franken held her at the waist during a photo op.

Really? Holding people at the waist is now a crime? And THAT was what made Gillibrand lynch Franken? It's not enough that she believed a bunch of lying trumpanzees over a good man, Gillibrand has to lend support to what is obviously an attention grab?

I held my nose and voted for Gillibrand last year. This type of rhetoric is making me regret that vote.

Not one of the allegations was credible. Her presidential hopes goose is cooked.

Unfortunately "until" is often not allowed to be done properly.

he was tried and convicted in less then a month. I won't say anything good about her, will vote for her if she, and come on, she won't be the nominee in 2020, but I will vote for her IF she gets that far, but I do not care for what she did to one of the smartest Senators. *plug nose and vote*

Just sayin'

get above 5% support.

Any Democrat, by her standard, is guilty until proven innocent. If that standard continues, Trump will win re-election, just by convincing someone to accuse his opponent of sexual harassment. Trump’s opponent will be expected to stand aside, a standard that apparently is only expected of Democrats. Trump, who has faced a similar accusation by 19 women (last time I checked), will be allowed to say they all just lied, and will win.

required a full and fair investigation into his sexual assault allegations.

The very fact she was a defense attorney for Philip Morris is enough to disqualify her. At the time she was defending them the truth about Big Tobacco's cover up of the health risks and their manipulation of the formulas for cigarettes to make them more addictive were known.

She sold her soul early in her life.

up to 20 years in prison for people who boycott Israel for political reasons? It's been re-written after severe backlash to make it apply only to businesses and remove the prison penalty, also to do away with the ability to launch criminal investigation of anyone who exercised their right of free speech in that way. The backlash also caused her backtrack and take her name off the bill.

Gillibrand's aggressive opportunism is coupled with bad instincts for what liberal Democrats and other people of principle will accept.

That't pure insanity. If people want to protest a country with BDS that is their First Amendment right. That she would even consider being a co-sponsor it wrong.

I don't think she has a chance though. Too much like this in her background.

You can take the conservative out of the rural district, but...

Al Franken is a Team Player and when she and Schumer and all the other Dems + BS(Ind), said he had to resign.. well, he thought it best to leave.

Just my take from what I know about Al Franken.

Franken took one for the team.

but the team did take the House.

Remember that he was the one who nailed Sessions to the Russians

in the Senate and House.

Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Amy Klobuchar were never cast members on Saturday Night Live.

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THAT’s why Roger Stone targeted Franken. Gillibrand was duped into jumping the gun and short-circuiting an investigation.

at that time. Plus the Special Counsel was appointed in response to the firing of Comey, not Sessions recusal. Which is moot anyway since Sessions resigned.

Some have even said that here.

It wasn't Al Franken's decision to resign. He was pressured out of the Senate. He was told he would not be able to get anything done and would have no opportunity to serve the interests of the people of Minnesota.

It was a BULLSHIT right wing hitjob at the height of the so called "Me Too Movement" and she helped the right wing witch hunters who saw an opportunity to conjure up a load of BULLSHIT and take down Franken during that time of hysteria. He was found guilty until proven innocent, and he never got a chance to prove his innocence. And she was at the front of the line leading with the biggest torch. She will NEVER win the nomination. In fact, I bet she flames out VERY soon.

Never heard another peep from them.

She’ll never get my vote.

Giving him an investigation like he asked for is not "carrying his water". It's his basic right as an accused person.

Just go away. Ugh.

He has a right to an investigation at the very least.

...seems about as credible as the accusations against Al Franken. Contrived and hollow. I don't believe for one damn second that her fifteen-year-old son asked her,"Mom, why are you being so mean to Al Franken?" The first thing it reminded me of was, "It's my right as an entertainer!"

We're to trust her as President against them? What a laugh. We lost a powerful progressive voice because some nobody whined about Franken touching her "love handles" during an innocuous photo op. Screw Gillibrand.

BULLSHIT!

during a photo. As far as I am concerned that's not molestation.
Still counted as one of 8 credible allegations.

Oh, wait...

Actually at the time she called for his resignation, I’m going by memory but I think there were only 2 accusations known, I think the others came out between her calling for resignation and him resigning
The lady at the fair that he hugged and the lady from the uso tour. The one that in multiple occasions sexually assaulted men by grabbing their asses during performances without asking or getting permission.

Also, earlier in her political career she had different political stances when she needed to attract conservative votes from upstate NY she was a gun advocate and social conservative and on the record as anti marriage equality and lgbt rights.

When she needed tons and tons of money she defended Phillip Morris

Two of these positions literally helped to put people in their grave.

When she no longer needed the conservative vote she somehow “evolved” her political views. I personally think it’s a sham. I believe she recognized the opportunity to garner a hardcore base with the tough rhetoric and demonstrating it by no discussion, no due process your accused, your out.

Aspects of her character contribute to my opinion of her.
The Phillip Morris thing = I’ll do anything for a buck
The gun thing = I’ll do anything for a vote
The Franken thing = I’ll do anything to secure my base

And her integrity
Recently asked if she would commit to serving her 6 years as a senator she answered multiple times in the affirmative
That is called a lie when you go back on that commitment so quickly after making it

The biggest thing is LEADING the charge to expel Franken did more damage to the party than any nationally prominent democrat has done in recent memory.one of the most affective dem senators was removed.

But you are mistaken. Gillibrand and the over 30 other Senators did not call for Franken to resign until after the 8th woman accused him.

In fact in a radio interview after only 6 women had accused Franken, she refused to call for him to resign. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/kirsten-bill-clinton-shouldve-resigned-gillibrand-cant-bring-herself-to-call-for-al-franken-to-resign

Is your source, oh good grief!

in the article that is not true?

I guess if you believe in fake news.

Please point out the factual errors.

As well. It was a steamrolling and he should have fought it.

imo.

And still railroaded him for their own benefit.

I also feel very strongly about it.

The accusers spoke with various media outlets like CNN, Huffington Post, Politico, etc. I would hope that they did some vetting before releasing their stories.

But not of CNN, the Atlanta, the Huffington Post and most others.

it is just not reality.

talking points the e mail bullshit about Hillary would have been nothing. Trumps business dealings and contacts with Russia would have been covered during the primary and he would likely not been president. That's the reality of the media doing so called "investigative reporting". All the shit trump is connected to and that he has done in his business is all out there but no one bothered to report it.

by the people? Where have we heard that before?

and doesn't investigate the facts so you go with "you're just like Trump". By the way, the media going with their talking points instead of facts and investigations has been documented here time after time.

True the media does report what gives them ratings. But they do investigate and they don't slander or libel people.

investigative reporting on Hillary's emails those emails would never have been an issue. They didn't slander or libel her but they sure as hell clouded the issue to where what bit of truth they did report about them didn't matter. They do just enough to cover their asses but not enough to open the eyes of the gullible. I never said they slander or libel people.

If they hadn't done some investigating, they would have opened themselves up to charges of slander and libel.

and in some cases not even the names of the women. Not much else in the way of "investigating". I'm done with this conversation I see no reason to go round and round, have a great day.

and make an accusation against a Senator that they would publish without some vetting. That is just not how things work.

would bring a story like that to an editor without some vetting. It is just not how things work.

talking to several news organizations. Are you claiming that none did any vetting?

There was no investigation at all. I concede her point about rules applying to those who like as well as those we don't but there wasn't an investigation.

An ethics committee hearing is not something like the Mueller investigation.

...We will not send money to her, and we are not interested in anything she has to say. The accusations against Franken were many years earlier. I don't know much about her, but she spent her time destroying a career over a few pictures. It will be awful if she gets nominated, because she is disliked greatly because of this..she will not help us win, not now or ever...

and a claim by a pal of Roger Stone and Sean Hannity. I don't know how anyone can claim there was an investigation when there wasn't one. Please stop trying to sell Gillibrand; nobody is buying.

Cohn paid off porn stars and Playboy bunnies to shut them up

Did Cohn give cash to Tweeden' or other accusers to lie, share USO photo, spread smears?

We will never know of any other shennagans, corruption because there was never a proper investigation

Gilli blew the opportunity to expose the assholes. She could have been a hero

Nothing was ever “investigated”. She still doesn’t get it. Her knee jerk response and defensive “explanation” have me seriously questioning her judgement and critical thinking.

And you destroy someone's reputation. If I recall the info on this came from Republican operatives. It doesn't matter, because Gillibrand took up the torch and lead the parade. She can be a senator, but as far as I am concerned, not our leader. I have read she worked for Phillip Morris as a lawyer? What kind of product does that company sell..?
...Oh no.......right here in this thread it says she worked for Phillip Morris...way above this post...
..................Well, there are consequences of working for a company like that..She hasn't got a clue..

... allegations? I've always assumed there was some basis in fact and that what we were seeing was inflated responses to "jerk" behavior or inadvertent behavior in mostly a show business environment that should never have risen to the level of getting a guy fired years later. Certainly the flight jacket photo was true.

I'm just curious, as I can't remember seeing any responses.

hard to give a Democrat a break. While in humor, the photo did him in. I hate it, but won’t hold it against Gillibrand, who I am not supporting because it’s way to early to jump on any bandwagon.

If she can't grasp the fascist puke-politics involved, to hell with her. And if she DOES grasp it, then she's an opportunist, and to hell with her.

This is the kind of self-righteous, stab-in-the-back shit that keeps Democrats from winning elections. The party needs discipline to pull together, something the Rethugs actually possess, as they rarely, if ever, turn on one of their own, no matter how egregious the misdeed (alleged or otherwise).

Not saying that Democrats should tolerate genuinely bad apples. But the "race for purity" is a self-defeating exercise that causes irreparable damage -- in this case, to Franken's career, and Gillibrand's candidacy.