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babylonsister

(171,075 posts)
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 09:04 AM Jan 2019

Arizona: Four women convicted after leaving food and water in desert for migrants

What kind of pos do you have to be to rule this way?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/19/arizona-four-women-convicted-after-leaving-food-and-water-in-desert-for-migrants?fbclid=IwAR2meymTgeInKwC7gGSJFFU80s6YYMBzL9f0GVjF36j16ahty7LQDmR3PDI


Arizona: Four women convicted after leaving food and water in desert for migrants
Federal judge finds activists guilty of entering a national wildlife refuge without a permit to give aid to migrants
Associated Press
Sat 19 Jan 2019 00.29 EST


A federal judge has found four women guilty of entering a national wildlife refuge without a permit as they sought to place food and water in the Arizona desert for migrants.

US magistrate Judge Bernardo Velasco’s ruling on Friday marked the first conviction against humanitarian aid volunteers in a decade.

The four found guilty of misdemeanours in the recent case were volunteers for No More Deaths, which said in a statement the group had been providing life-saving aid to migrants.

The volunteers include Natalie Hoffman, Oona Holcomb, Madeline Huse and Zaachila Orozco-McCormick.

Hoffman was found guilty of operating a vehicle inside Cabeza Prieta national wildlife refuge, entering the federally protected area without a permit, and leaving water jugs and cans of beans there in August 2017.

The others were found guilty of entering without a permit and leaving behind personal property.



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Arizona: Four women convicted after leaving food and water in desert for migrants (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2019 OP
So keeping score so far... Takket Jan 2019 #1
+100 sinkingfeeling Jan 2019 #2
No More Deaths Ptah Jan 2019 #3
Unbelievable. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2019 #4
migrants commit misdemeanors and get caged indefinitely Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #5
Just read this in the Guardian..thanks for posting. mountain grammy Jan 2019 #6
This is so wrong. smirkymonkey Jan 2019 #7
This ruling was disgusting. That is all! pazzyanne Jan 2019 #8
re: "What kind of pos do you have to be to rule this way? " thesquanderer Jan 2019 #9
Bullshit. Our fundamental meaning has been lost. lpbk2713 Jan 2019 #10
These Women Need a Name and to be Uplifted McKim Jan 2019 #11
yeah but if those women had an armed standoff at a national wildlife refuge IronLionZion Jan 2019 #12
I followed the trial and the groups twitter @NoMoreDeaths ‏ elmac Jan 2019 #13
A country this cruel is in deep trouble. marmar Jan 2019 #14
A good example of why it is so important to keep rightwing Federal judges from being appointed nt elmac Jan 2019 #15
Sickening Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2019 #16

Takket

(21,582 posts)
1. So keeping score so far...
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 09:11 AM
Jan 2019

That is 4 convictions for distribution of humanitarian aid and 0 so far for the guy who betrayed the country to Russia. Looking good USA!!!

Ptah

(33,032 posts)
3. No More Deaths
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 09:40 AM
Jan 2019


No More Deaths is an advocacy group based in Tucson and Phoenix, Arizona, United States that seeks to end the deaths of undocumented immigrants crossing the desert regions near the United States-Mexico border. Volunteers for the organization provide food, water, and medical aid to people crossing the US-Mexico border through the Arizona desert and offer humanitarian aid to people in Mexico who have been deported from the US.

History
No More Deaths was founded in 2004 by area religious leaders, including Catholic bishop Gerald Kicanas, Presbyterian minister John Fife, and leaders of the local Jewish community. The founders felt that there was a need for a constant presence on the border to aid migrants and end the increasing numbers of immigrant deaths. The Pima County Medical Examiner's Office recovered the bodies of an average of 160 migrants per year between 2000 and 2005, up from 14 per year in the 1990s.[2] The founders of No More Deaths cite Operation Gatekeeper as a major cause of the spike in deaths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_More_Deaths

Also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_More_Deaths#Prosecution_of_No_More_Deaths_Volunteers

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,373 posts)
5. migrants commit misdemeanors and get caged indefinitely
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 09:52 AM
Jan 2019

Enter the U.S. illegally is a misdemeanor, but ICE rips children from parents and cages people indefinitely for this. Remember that the next time you get a parking ticket.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
9. re: "What kind of pos do you have to be to rule this way? "
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:28 AM
Jan 2019

I think we need the rest of the story.

The case came before the judge. The defendants WERE guilty of the charges. (The charges were not about helping migrants, they were about entering a wildlife refuge without a permit, etc.). If there was proof that they did these things, and these things are against the law, how could the judge rule any other way? What determines whether or not he is a POS would be what the sentence was. If he fined them a token amount, then he's a good guy. If he jailed them for 30 days, he's a POS.

lpbk2713

(42,761 posts)
10. Bullshit. Our fundamental meaning has been lost.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:34 AM
Jan 2019





It's a sad commentary when a JUDGE rules against assisting other humans of all ages in peril.
We are truly in danger.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
11. These Women Need a Name and to be Uplifted
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:35 AM
Jan 2019

These heroines of honor deserve a collective name, and their stories need to be told and sent through all our media. I envision a poster and speaking engagements. This needs to be talked about in every meeting and every pulpit. Samaritans of the Desert?

IronLionZion

(45,466 posts)
12. yeah but if those women had an armed standoff at a national wildlife refuge
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:41 AM
Jan 2019

then they would be off scot free like the Ammon Bundy group that took over Malheur wildlife refuge in Oregon.

Or of they had trespassed in the refuge to cut down ancient endangered Joshua trees and dumped their garbage everywhere, then they would have never even been caught.

I see they did this in 2017. It might be better to do it now when the park rangers are furloughed.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
13. I followed the trial and the groups twitter @NoMoreDeaths ‏
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:46 AM
Jan 2019

They are trying to save lives and the prosecuting witnesses were lacking and few but the judge is a Nazi, just like tRump. By the way, they were on land that the orange hitlers SS rarely bother to patrol but went out of their way to harass this group.

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