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Many people are saying we should not impeach Trump for different reasons.
Some say it is a waste of time to impeach because the Republicans in the Senate will not convict. I will submit, not doing something because it is hard or because of fear has become a top American value. It's surrender.
Some people believe it will be better for America if Trump is removed at the ballot box instead of impeachment. I have tried very hard to understand this line of thinking and I cannot get there.
If Trump is charged with felony upon felony and we do not impeach him that will set a new precedent for all time. Anyone who runs for president will be able to do what Trump has done without fear of impeachment. Fuck that.
The founding fathers put impeachment in the constitution to protect us from abuse of power. To protect us from someone like Trump. It is our duty as Americans to impeach Trump.
JHB
(37,161 posts)The reluctance to go ahead and launch impeachment proceedings is because if the goal is removing Trump from office -- and it is -- then the ground needs to be prepared to get Senate Republicans to break ranks with a party that long ago hit Soviet-politburo-like levels of toeing the Pary Line.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)If we don't, we are not following the constitution.
edhopper
(33,595 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,154 posts)the very slow process of implementing changes to these amendments and the laws based on them, that demands that we be very careful in issuing new laws and amendments since they undergo a vetting like no other in the world.
The frustration that I feel is that there always seems to be 5 million lawyers around, and the whole process of going to court, of going into politics, of getting involved in government seems to require that one has a legal degree of some kind. This is wrong, and I don't think that the framers of the constitution ever meant that lawyers take over our entire governing process in this country. They wanted rule by the people, not lawyers.
Rump is a crook. We all see it. Anyone that doesn't is going to sidestep and hem and haw, like they all do (lawyers again). Layer upon layer upon layer of lawyers. Sickening. They use words against us, and what's so funny about it, that in a year or so, someone will come up with other words that mean exactly the opposite! Lawyers vs. lawyers, stretching the boundaries of what something means or does not mean.
Perhaps we should have an additional amendment to the constitution, in that NO Lawyers are allowed if you run for office (Senate, House, or the WH and perhaps the Supreme Court too). I'm sorry if you're in the legal profession, and reading my post, I don't mean anything against you personally, I just think that things in government are way too slanted towards this field, and it shouldn't be.
I do regret that this whole process is mired in the hands of so many lawyers and the like, and that justice sometimes seems too slow, but I'm sure that someone in the boat of using a lawyer, they think exactly the opposite of this.