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(34,195 posts)
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 01:00 PM Jan 2019

Gillibrand defends calling for Franken to resign during stop in Iowa

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) defended her calls for former Sen. Al Franken's (D-Minn.) resignation last year at a campaign event in Iowa on Friday, saying the allegations against her former colleague were too much for her to remain silent.

Gillibrand, who was the first senator to call for Franken's resignation, told an audience in Sioux City, Iowa that Franken's decision to resign was his own ...

"Enough was enough," Gillibrand said, according to CNN. "Al Franken is entitled to whatever process wanted, if he wanted to stay and wait six months for his ethics hearing. His decision was to resign. My decision was not to remain silent."

"You have to stand up for what's right, especially when it's hard," she continued. "And if you create a pass because you love someone, or you like someone, or admire someone, or they're part of your team, it's not OK, it's just not, and I feel strongly about it and it's painful. It's painful for me. It's painful for a lot of us."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/426152-gillibrand-defends-calling-for-franken-to-resign-during-stop-in-iowa

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Gillibrand defends calling for Franken to resign during stop in Iowa (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Jan 2019 OP
Yeahyeah suresure whateves. mac56 Jan 2019 #1
What Franken did was minor in the great scheme of things kennetha Jan 2019 #2
The more egregious is possible loyalsister Jan 2019 #30
"You have to stand up for what's right" dalton99a Jan 2019 #3
He was not terminated Renew Deal Jan 2019 #7
"You have to stand up for what's right for my career" is probably more OnDoutside Jan 2019 #13
Add to that backstabbing the couple who helped get you elected Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #21
Bull Fucking Shit edhopper Jan 2019 #4
Gillibrand missed the opportunity to expose that fucking guy suegeo Jan 2019 #37
Yes, but how can we trust you to resist being goaded into targeting more Democrats Baitball Blogger Jan 2019 #5
Are you opposed to anyone that called for Franken to resign? Renew Deal Jan 2019 #8
The pack don't want to hear that fact. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #17
I'm looking for balance. Baitball Blogger Jan 2019 #18
I'm all in favor of hearing their explanations for why they jumped on Gillibrand's bandwagon. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #23
Before an investigation? I am. Qutzupalotl Jan 2019 #28
+1. It's easier to shoot your own troops dalton99a Jan 2019 #11
I agree G_j Jan 2019 #6
If she's on the defensive already she's not going anywhere The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #9
+1. She deprived Democrats of a powerful and effective voice dalton99a Jan 2019 #22
I agree. She's getting resistance already on her leading role... brush Jan 2019 #25
Her big tobacco years don't help either. roody Jan 2019 #36
Doubling down!!! Mme. Defarge Jan 2019 #10
Just go away Kirsten. Little Star Jan 2019 #12
My decision is to not vote for her lame54 Jan 2019 #14
Go tell it to the rethugs hueymahl Jan 2019 #15
Franken resgined. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #16
Screw you, Kirsten. SMC22307 Jan 2019 #19
She missed the opportunity to expose GOPee rat-effing suegeo Jan 2019 #20
I will vote for her if she's the party nominee Bob Loblaw Jan 2019 #24
You won't need to worry about that. tavernier Jan 2019 #43
Another red flag: Gillibrand goes to bible study with Nutbar Sen. J. Ernst suegeo Jan 2019 #26
+1. The same Joni Ernst who wants to kill Obamacare: dalton99a Jan 2019 #39
Al's vote was important in getting the ACA passed in the 1st place suegeo Jan 2019 #44
I feel she did Roger Stones bidding. Not a fan. dem4decades Jan 2019 #27
Yes, whatever you say, Kirsten... MineralMan Jan 2019 #29
Disqualifying. gibraltar72 Jan 2019 #31
Should practice her answer, she will get this EVERY day she is campaigning JCMach1 Jan 2019 #32
I'll never support her. I'll never forgive her. I'll never trust her. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #33
And just how smart can she be, tavernier Jan 2019 #42
She wouldn't let them have a real investigation kimbutgar Jan 2019 #34
This is her albatross tied around her neck. gordianot Jan 2019 #35
I must do what is right too Desert grandma Jan 2019 #38
She is correct. You have to stand up for what is right. tavernier Jan 2019 #40
Probably go crawling back to the Clintons for advice and support, too. aka-chmeee Jan 2019 #41

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
30. The more egregious is possible
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 01:59 PM
Jan 2019

because the we have a power structure that has decided what is minor and should not be addressed in the interest of protecting powerful men.

dalton99a

(81,534 posts)
3. "You have to stand up for what's right"
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 01:10 PM
Jan 2019

Pushing a great Democrat out the door - and terminating a good man's career - without investigation

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
13. "You have to stand up for what's right for my career" is probably more
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 01:18 PM
Jan 2019

accurate.

Takes a genuine f2020 favourite out

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
21. Add to that backstabbing the couple who helped get you elected
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 01:24 PM
Jan 2019

And sucking up to Wall Street and big tobacco.

She has boundary issues, as in she has no boundaries where it concerns her own ambition.

suegeo

(2,573 posts)
37. Gillibrand missed the opportunity to expose that fucking guy
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:24 PM
Jan 2019

What a hero she could have been to expose the GOP rat fucking.

But, she blew it. Might have been a teachable moment to those unaware: there is no low that the GOPee won't go to, to serve Mother Russia and the mob.

Baitball Blogger

(46,749 posts)
5. Yes, but how can we trust you to resist being goaded into targeting more Democrats
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 01:12 PM
Jan 2019

once you're in the Oval office? Your judgment seems so inflexible, that you can be an easy Republican useful idiot, kneecapping your own people instead of focusing on Democratic objectives.

Baitball Blogger

(46,749 posts)
18. I'm looking for balance.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 01:21 PM
Jan 2019

I am aware that Kamala Harris also asked him to step down. That may or not turn into a problem for her, but I do know that Kamala Harris has been unrelenting in her attacks again the right. That will help provide a balance that might see her through.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,776 posts)
23. I'm all in favor of hearing their explanations for why they jumped on Gillibrand's bandwagon.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 01:34 PM
Jan 2019

But she was driving it.

Qutzupalotl

(14,320 posts)
28. Before an investigation? I am.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 01:54 PM
Jan 2019

Have the investigation, find out all the facts, THEN if it’s damning, call for resignation. What she did was pile on to a lot of questionable accusations, which our members took as a cue to get out in front of the story. What she did gave cover to Roger Stone’s hit job, which would have come to light in an investigation.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,776 posts)
9. If she's on the defensive already she's not going anywhere
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 01:16 PM
Jan 2019

because that act of treachery against a colleague is going to haunt her, as it should. She should just give up and go home and not waste any more money and effort on a lost cause.

And please don't bother to campaign in Minnesota.

brush

(53,801 posts)
25. I agree. She's getting resistance already on her leading role...
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 01:51 PM
Jan 2019

in kneecapping Al Franken, not to mention the Clinton's and her past defending big tobacco, etc., she should realized her baggage is not going away.

"The Peter Principle" is being played out by her career path. She's reached her level of incompetence—aka her gullibility in falling for the Roger Stone hit job on Sen. Franken.

hueymahl

(2,501 posts)
15. Go tell it to the rethugs
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 01:19 PM
Jan 2019

I don’t want to hear it. If you had apologized, I was ready to give you a second chance. Screw you, Ms. Gillibrand.

suegeo

(2,573 posts)
20. She missed the opportunity to expose GOPee rat-effing
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 01:24 PM
Jan 2019

Psst, when Roger Stone tweeted something like "It's Franken's time in the barrel" --before rightwing operative Tweeden shared the gag photo where Al's not touching her--you might want to slow down, deliberate, and investigate.

What was the fucking rush to railroad Al?

The smartest move that the Jr. Senator from New York could have made, but didn't: Use the investigation to expose the mobbed up, filthy GOPee goons for what they are.

Further, there was/is an on-going Russian attack on the USA. A dirty, filthy attack. Of course Putin would want to take out the opposition.

What might have background checks of the accusers shown? One of the women living free in a Trump condo? Tweeden getting a unit in Trump Tower, where she could visit her pal, Don Jr?

Michael Cohn was passing out CASH to get his mob boss in the Oval. Did any cash from Cohn make its way into Tweeden's pockets?

Some fat bank account in Cyprus in an accuser's name, full of rubles? Putin's attack started early and was/is still on going when the rat fuckers took the opportunity to invalidate the votes of Minnesotans.

What a missed opportunity to further expose the crimes of the mobbed up Trumpers and their master, Putin.

Instead, she played a large role in ensuring there was never an investigation. I wonder why?

Bob Loblaw

(1,900 posts)
24. I will vote for her if she's the party nominee
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 01:41 PM
Jan 2019

regardless of the Franken circumstances. However, I will make no effort to assist her in becoming the nominee. She failed to persuade me to support her with her appearance on Rachel's show.

suegeo

(2,573 posts)
26. Another red flag: Gillibrand goes to bible study with Nutbar Sen. J. Ernst
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 01:52 PM
Jan 2019

[link:https://siouxcityjournal.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/weighing-presidential-campaign-democrat-gillibrand-in-sioux-city-says-steve/article_86e69792-716b-5adf-85a5-af502788e927.html#tracking-source=home-top-story|

Susan Leonard, of Sioux City, asked Gillibrand about U.S. Sen. Joni Ernst, R-Iowa, saying the two of them are strong friends. Gillibrand said that was so, and that they both agreed on the necessity of reducing sexual assault in the military branches.

Gillibrand added, "Joni and I go to bible study often."

dalton99a

(81,534 posts)
39. +1. The same Joni Ernst who wants to kill Obamacare:
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:29 PM
Jan 2019
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/10/16/joni-ernsts-hog-castrating-ideology-revealed/

In the audio, Ernst came out for a balanced budget amendment, said that would require “severe cuts,” reiterated her desire to eliminate the Department of Education, vowed a “good, hard look at entitlement programs,” and said electing a GOP Senate majority would be a key step towards all of this. She also said we are “encouraging people” to get on food stamps. And then she waxed philosophical:

“What we have to do a better job of is educating not only Iowans, but the American people that they can be self-sufficient. They don’t have to rely on the government to be the do-all, end-all for everything they need and desire, and that’s what we have fostered, is really a generation of people that rely on the government to provide absolutely everything for them. It’s going to take a lot of education to get people out of that. It’s going to be very painful and we know that. So do we have the intestinal fortitude to do that?…

“We’re looking at Obamacare right now. Once we start with those benefits in January, how are we going to get people off of those? It’s exponentially harder to remove people once they’ve already been on those programs…we rely on government for absolutely everything. And in the years since I was a small girl up until now into my adulthood with children of my own, we have lost a reliance on not only our own families, but so much of what our churches and private organizations used to do. They used to have wonderful food pantries. They used to provide clothing for those that really needed it. But we have gotten away from that. Now we’re at a point where the government will just give away anything.”

suegeo

(2,573 posts)
44. Al's vote was important in getting the ACA passed in the 1st place
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:58 PM
Jan 2019

Franken won a prolonged recount, over that goof Norm Coleman. His vote after being sworn in was important.

The lunatic republicans, who were ginning up hate for the ACA, said so themselves:
http://www.startribune.com/did-al-franken-really-cast-the-60th-vote-for-obamacare/238733121/

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
33. I'll never support her. I'll never forgive her. I'll never trust her.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:04 PM
Jan 2019

I just can't trust her judgement. Honestly, I can't even stand to LISTEN to her.

tavernier

(12,394 posts)
42. And just how smart can she be,
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:43 PM
Jan 2019

if she hasn’t figured out yet that there is a lot of anger at her for this, and it’s not going away.

kimbutgar

(21,172 posts)
34. She wouldn't let them have a real investigation
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:04 PM
Jan 2019

It was a roger stone hit job. Sorry Senator Gillibrand you lead the charge without letting Senator Franken defend himself. I will not be supporting you in any primary.

gordianot

(15,242 posts)
35. This is her albatross tied around her neck.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:13 PM
Jan 2019

She may get a pass at home or by media that enjoys fractured politics.

Desert grandma

(804 posts)
38. I must do what is right too
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:25 PM
Jan 2019

and that is NOT to vote for her. I doubt she gets the nomination anyway. She has way too much baggage and there are MANY much more qualified candidates to choose from.

aka-chmeee

(1,132 posts)
41. Probably go crawling back to the Clintons for advice and support, too.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:43 PM
Jan 2019

Secure in her conviction that she had to say the things she did and convinced that they owe her.

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