General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGillibrand defends calling for Franken to resign during stop in Iowa
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) defended her calls for former Sen. Al Franken's (D-Minn.) resignation last year at a campaign event in Iowa on Friday, saying the allegations against her former colleague were too much for her to remain silent.
Gillibrand, who was the first senator to call for Franken's resignation, told an audience in Sioux City, Iowa that Franken's decision to resign was his own ...
"Enough was enough," Gillibrand said, according to CNN. "Al Franken is entitled to whatever process wanted, if he wanted to stay and wait six months for his ethics hearing. His decision was to resign. My decision was not to remain silent."
"You have to stand up for what's right, especially when it's hard," she continued. "And if you create a pass because you love someone, or you like someone, or admire someone, or they're part of your team, it's not OK, it's just not, and I feel strongly about it and it's painful. It's painful for me. It's painful for a lot of us."
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/426152-gillibrand-defends-calling-for-franken-to-resign-during-stop-in-iowa
mac56
(17,574 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)because the we have a power structure that has decided what is minor and should not be addressed in the interest of protecting powerful men.
dalton99a
(81,534 posts)Pushing a great Democrat out the door - and terminating a good man's career - without investigation
Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)accurate.
Takes a genuine f2020 favourite out
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)And sucking up to Wall Street and big tobacco.
She has boundary issues, as in she has no boundaries where it concerns her own ambition.
edhopper
(33,595 posts)Roger Stone operation.
suegeo
(2,573 posts)What a hero she could have been to expose the GOP rat fucking.
But, she blew it. Might have been a teachable moment to those unaware: there is no low that the GOPee won't go to, to serve Mother Russia and the mob.
Baitball Blogger
(46,749 posts)once you're in the Oval office? Your judgment seems so inflexible, that you can be an easy Republican useful idiot, kneecapping your own people instead of focusing on Democratic objectives.
Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,749 posts)I am aware that Kamala Harris also asked him to step down. That may or not turn into a problem for her, but I do know that Kamala Harris has been unrelenting in her attacks again the right. That will help provide a balance that might see her through.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,776 posts)But she was driving it.
Qutzupalotl
(14,320 posts)Have the investigation, find out all the facts, THEN if its damning, call for resignation. What she did was pile on to a lot of questionable accusations, which our members took as a cue to get out in front of the story. What she did gave cover to Roger Stones hit job, which would have come to light in an investigation.
dalton99a
(81,534 posts)G_j
(40,367 posts)You have to stand up for whats right, but you failed to do do.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,776 posts)because that act of treachery against a colleague is going to haunt her, as it should. She should just give up and go home and not waste any more money and effort on a lost cause.
And please don't bother to campaign in Minnesota.
dalton99a
(81,534 posts)and she thinks people have already forgotten
brush
(53,801 posts)in kneecapping Al Franken, not to mention the Clinton's and her past defending big tobacco, etc., she should realized her baggage is not going away.
"The Peter Principle" is being played out by her career path. She's reached her level of incompetenceaka her gullibility in falling for the Roger Stone hit job on Sen. Franken.
roody
(10,849 posts)Mme. Defarge
(8,036 posts)Never back down, never admit you re wrong. Bullying 101.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)lame54
(35,297 posts)hueymahl
(2,501 posts)I dont want to hear it. If you had apologized, I was ready to give you a second chance. Screw you, Ms. Gillibrand.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)I really don't like her.
suegeo
(2,573 posts)Psst, when Roger Stone tweeted something like "It's Franken's time in the barrel" --before rightwing operative Tweeden shared the gag photo where Al's not touching her--you might want to slow down, deliberate, and investigate.
What was the fucking rush to railroad Al?
The smartest move that the Jr. Senator from New York could have made, but didn't: Use the investigation to expose the mobbed up, filthy GOPee goons for what they are.
Further, there was/is an on-going Russian attack on the USA. A dirty, filthy attack. Of course Putin would want to take out the opposition.
What might have background checks of the accusers shown? One of the women living free in a Trump condo? Tweeden getting a unit in Trump Tower, where she could visit her pal, Don Jr?
Michael Cohn was passing out CASH to get his mob boss in the Oval. Did any cash from Cohn make its way into Tweeden's pockets?
Some fat bank account in Cyprus in an accuser's name, full of rubles? Putin's attack started early and was/is still on going when the rat fuckers took the opportunity to invalidate the votes of Minnesotans.
What a missed opportunity to further expose the crimes of the mobbed up Trumpers and their master, Putin.
Instead, she played a large role in ensuring there was never an investigation. I wonder why?
Bob Loblaw
(1,900 posts)regardless of the Franken circumstances. However, I will make no effort to assist her in becoming the nominee. She failed to persuade me to support her with her appearance on Rachel's show.
tavernier
(12,394 posts)There are many better candidates with much less baggage.
suegeo
(2,573 posts)Gillibrand added, "Joni and I go to bible study often."
dalton99a
(81,534 posts)In the audio, Ernst came out for a balanced budget amendment, said that would require severe cuts, reiterated her desire to eliminate the Department of Education, vowed a good, hard look at entitlement programs, and said electing a GOP Senate majority would be a key step towards all of this. She also said we are encouraging people to get on food stamps. And then she waxed philosophical:
What we have to do a better job of is educating not only Iowans, but the American people that they can be self-sufficient. They dont have to rely on the government to be the do-all, end-all for everything they need and desire, and thats what we have fostered, is really a generation of people that rely on the government to provide absolutely everything for them. Its going to take a lot of education to get people out of that. Its going to be very painful and we know that. So do we have the intestinal fortitude to do that?
Were looking at Obamacare right now. Once we start with those benefits in January, how are we going to get people off of those? Its exponentially harder to remove people once theyve already been on those programs we rely on government for absolutely everything. And in the years since I was a small girl up until now into my adulthood with children of my own, we have lost a reliance on not only our own families, but so much of what our churches and private organizations used to do. They used to have wonderful food pantries. They used to provide clothing for those that really needed it. But we have gotten away from that. Now were at a point where the government will just give away anything.
suegeo
(2,573 posts)Franken won a prolonged recount, over that goof Norm Coleman. His vote after being sworn in was important.
The lunatic republicans, who were ginning up hate for the ACA, said so themselves:
http://www.startribune.com/did-al-franken-really-cast-the-60th-vote-for-obamacare/238733121/
dem4decades
(11,299 posts)MineralMan
(146,319 posts)gibraltar72
(7,508 posts)JCMach1
(27,562 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I just can't trust her judgement. Honestly, I can't even stand to LISTEN to her.
tavernier
(12,394 posts)if she hasnt figured out yet that there is a lot of anger at her for this, and its not going away.
kimbutgar
(21,172 posts)It was a roger stone hit job. Sorry Senator Gillibrand you lead the charge without letting Senator Franken defend himself. I will not be supporting you in any primary.
gordianot
(15,242 posts)She may get a pass at home or by media that enjoys fractured politics.
Desert grandma
(804 posts)and that is NOT to vote for her. I doubt she gets the nomination anyway. She has way too much baggage and there are MANY much more qualified candidates to choose from.
tavernier
(12,394 posts)Thats why I dont support her.
aka-chmeee
(1,132 posts)Secure in her conviction that she had to say the things she did and convinced that they owe her.