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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere is a lot of blame to go around for the Buzzfeed story...
Jason Leopold and Anthony Cormier, because I have doubts they did enough to vet their sources.
Trump, because he lies on a minute by minute basis. Considering how much he screams witch hunt, calls the press the enemy of the people and the witness intimidation this story was seen as quite possibly being true with his history. Even after the negative publicity surrounding this story, I'm still more inclined to believe that tRump did in fact tell, push or encourage Cohen to lie. All of which is still illegal, including knowing that he was going to lie.
Mueller's Office. They have let their filings do all the talking for them and rather than keeping anyone's expectations in check, they have said next to nothing about their investigation or it's progress. Then in the evening hours they release a statement undercutting this story.
In the ironies of all ironies, tRump and rudy have jumped on the statement and act like Mueller is a stand-up guy despite their maligning of him for the last couple of years.
Lastly, Buzzfeed. Yes, I put a good share of the blame on them. If they ever wanted to be considered a reliable news source, this story and the doubts raised has pretty much pulled that rug out from under them. I do think that in the aftermath of the last big bombshell story about the penthouse for Putin, that they grew overconfident and may not have pushed to have the story more thoroughly vetted.
It's understandable that after a series of successes, they would grow more confident and see themselves as a legit news. Going to the main page, the top banner leads with an article about TV shows to be excited about. The article of Buzzfeed standing by their story is off to the right and in much smaller print.
My guess is they'll stand by the story and hope the questions surrounding it go away and it will for a little while until Cohen testifies on Feb. 7th.
With tRump in the WH, believing the worst is almost second nature, but what happened here does far more damage than it ever could help.
At this point, all anyone can hope for is that Cohen talks about his conversations with tRump regarding his past testimony.
If I were an editor at Buzzfeed, I think I would tell Leopold and Comier to go back to their sources, push for more info, get more evidence one way or the other and rewrite the story.
They should do it for the sake of the truth. It's better for the story to be rewritten with a more thorough accounting even if it means backing off of their main claim, for the sake of their credibility and for that of Buzzfeed's.
There is too much at stake. They have to get it right.
Just my two cents.
manor321
(3,344 posts)Then, 22+ hours after publication, Mueller's spokesman writes a short vague statement.
The problem is on Mueller's side.
underpants
(182,848 posts)Regardless of the story and the backlash.
My 2 cents.
Sneederbunk
(14,296 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)All this unknown drives me batty.
Iggo
(47,561 posts)Just let it happen, people.
Fuck.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,433 posts)years, when Fitzgerald investigated, then dropped, possible indictments of Dick Cheney and others for war crimes. And I remember that he got set up by antagonists to make it appear that he was filing false reports, and was summarily discredited. It's possible that Leopold sets himself up for traps by getting too far ahead of his stories.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)He's also admitted to some problems of his own which got in the way of his reporting.
I do think big stories like this can give a reporter a rush of excitement and it can be like a drug. Leopold has done some worthwhile stories, but stuff like this really ruins credibility.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)get in the investigation and -- assuming proper -- take action against trump.
trump is doing too much direct damage to country to delay. And while we dick around with the worthless POS, needed legislation is being ignored.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)But I agree that something preliminary should be given to Rod Rosenstein. At this point, time is working against us.
My concern is that whatever gets released will get filed away to never see the light of day.
Cohen's testimony, if he doesn't change his mind, might give a sense of urgency and with public pressure they won't have no choice but to release the report.
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)To me, what matters most is we thought we had clear evidence of a felony and now there may not be. I thought this might give Mueller a little short term credit with the GOP, but that won't last long. Likewise some more people will say "fake news", but I don't think it changes that narrative very much for one case which got disputed quickly.
To get rid of Trump early, we'll need good evidence, public airing of that evidence and then public opinion turning enough to get republican votes in the senate. I'm disappointed that we might not have evidence for suborning perjury. In terms of public opinion by the time we get the public airing of whatever evidence there is for removal, not many will remember this episode.
The reporters apparently got something wrong. I agree with those that say it's important to pursue that since the press has to be accurate, but I don't think the accuracy of this one event changes the odds of removal. I think we will find out eventually what they go wrong so I'm not focused on that right now. More power to anyone who wants to suss that out.
If the press keeps getting stories wrong that would be a problem.
Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)The conclusions reached were not denied by Mueller, just the evidence used. I would take it that it's just Muellers way of muzzling the press until he's done. Now they will all be afraid to conjecture. Of course, it's pretty obvious that the lying to Congress was orchestrated. The real question is if Trump was directly involved in it. This would be hard to prove unless another party was involved who talked, or their were other evidence. Otherwise it's he said-she said. By the way, it's all you can say about any news article-it could be right. We may never know because we may never see the whole report.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)The problem is when even one thing is wrong, the entire story is damaged along with the reputation of the reporters involved. Buzzfeed itself could have credibility problems as well.
Either way, I'm hoping that Cohen does appear before congress and this matter can be dealt with one way or the other.