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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:20 PM Jan 2019

Should Federal workers refuse to work?

Vital to answering this question, one must be aware that all Federal workers are governed by the Code of Ethical Conduct.

And many, career and temporary, are working under specific Agency agreements if they are unionized.

Speaking as a retired Federal worker, and a Union representative with over 33 years experience, refusing an order is treated as insubordination.

And anyone with experience in the field knows that Arbitrators treat insubordination as a very serious violation.

So when I read statements that Federal workers should refuse to work, I understand the sympathy expressed by the various authors for the unpaid Federal workers, but I also know the consequences of such a refusal to work.

And some suggest calling in sick, but there are also procedures for that as well.

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Should Federal workers refuse to work? (Original Post) guillaumeb Jan 2019 OP
Bibble says slaves should obey their masters. ret5hd Jan 2019 #1
I can assert that the Bible was never referenced guillaumeb Jan 2019 #3
Inherently offensive to compare Codeine Jan 2019 #8
The emotional knee jerk reaction is of course they should Sherman A1 Jan 2019 #2
People do get sick. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #4
It's easy for people to say "yes" when they're not the ones affected. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #5
Very true. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #6
Thank you for your work. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #7
Thank you. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #9
Federal workers have no right to strike. Scruffy1 Jan 2019 #10
Correct on both points. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #11
They legally cannot strike, or even do traditional picketing obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #12
True. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #13
Another retired Fed here. I would not have refused. 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2019 #14
No, but they can slow it down. Not able to eat a full meal.... haele Jan 2019 #15
And the GOP, that Party that hates Government, guillaumeb Jan 2019 #16
I don't know how they can continue to be government employees if they aren't getting paid. Vinca Jan 2019 #17

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. I can assert that the Bible was never referenced
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:34 PM
Jan 2019

in any of the Handbooks and manuals that I used.

And it was never referenced in any of the Arbitrations or any other Contractual level hearings where I represented people.

And it was never referenced in any of the Court cases that I cited in my various pleadings.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
8. Inherently offensive to compare
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:45 PM
Jan 2019

their situation to that of people who were bought and sold as property.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
2. The emotional knee jerk reaction is of course they should
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:29 PM
Jan 2019

the reality is of course very different as you point out. That said, it is Flu Season and folks do get sick.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,363 posts)
5. It's easy for people to say "yes" when they're not the ones affected.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:37 PM
Jan 2019

There's a keyboard warrior for every fight.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
6. Very true.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:39 PM
Jan 2019

And even if a person has refused orders, in this instance, all Federal workers work under Federal rules. And I am speaking as someone with over 33 years experience representing Federal workers in an Agency. In my case, the USPS.

And I am speaking as one who trained representatives in the area. Vital to winning any battle is knowing what rules govern the battle.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,363 posts)
7. Thank you for your work.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:43 PM
Jan 2019

Knowing those rules that govern the battle is vital for the current survival of the union movement. It's the not-fun part of the work, but it is absolutely vital.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
10. Federal workers have no right to strike.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:54 PM
Jan 2019

By a Supreme Court ruling in the 1900's all federal unions must be open shops, also.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
11. Correct on both points.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 02:59 PM
Jan 2019

In the USPS, my Agency, my particular Union, the NALC, was voluntarily supported by over 92% of the letter carriers. We "sold" the necessity of being unionized as the best way for a worker to deal with management.

So even the open shop barrier can be overcome when the union educates the workers it represents.

obamanut2012

(26,083 posts)
12. They legally cannot strike, or even do traditional picketing
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 03:00 PM
Jan 2019

They will lose their job, pension, and benefits if they do.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
13. True.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 03:03 PM
Jan 2019

Informational picketing is legal, but any signage that is treated as hostile to the Agency is not legal.

And I understand why some here are suggesting a strike, and I welcome the support for Federal workers, but such support must defer to those who know what can be legally done.

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,023 posts)
14. Another retired Fed here. I would not have refused.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 03:17 PM
Jan 2019

Although I experienced a few shutdowns during my career, I was not designated as an essential employee so I was either sent home, or got to stay home. But if I had been designated essential, I certainly would not have refused to go to work.

haele

(12,661 posts)
15. No, but they can slow it down. Not able to eat a full meal....
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 03:48 PM
Jan 2019

....because you're scrimping to feed kids or pay rent makes one dull and listless, after all. You can't be punished for trying to work and fail due to low blood sugar.
But that can become a problem with the backlog and short staffing. The important government work becomes harder to complete on time and within budget.

Haele

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
16. And the GOP, that Party that hates Government,
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 06:21 PM
Jan 2019

can portray this as "proof" that Government does not work.

Vinca

(50,288 posts)
17. I don't know how they can continue to be government employees if they aren't getting paid.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 06:24 PM
Jan 2019

Would you work for free and then go to a food bank to feed your family? If this doesn't end soon, we'll lose a whole lot of good people to the private sector and you sure can't blame them.

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