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Trump's DACA card is a bluff and here is why. (Original Post) RandySF Jan 2019 OP
His offer was to replace customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #1
A permanent wall in exchange for temporary DACA protection? RandySF Jan 2019 #3
Are you feeling that worried customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #4
I assumed Hillary would win in 2016 RandySF Jan 2019 #5
I assumed that, too customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #6
K&R UTUSN Jan 2019 #2
K&R Scurrilous Jan 2019 #7

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
1. His offer was to replace
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 07:27 PM
Jan 2019

uncertanty with certainty, and in the process, McTurtle will have to twist 52 GOP arms for a vote in favor of extending DACA status for three years. If they survive that, then maybe it will be easier for them to vote in favor of some form of comprehensive immigration reform in 2021. If you assume, as I do, that we'll hold the House, and regain the White House in 2020, but will fall short of a 60 vote majority in the Senate, then we'll need a few of those moderate GOP votes to pass immigration reform.

Also, extended TPS is a bonus. Unless you're counting on the court system to save TPS protectees the same way they did with DACA beneficiaries, this is a good and necessary thing.

Also, by taking some form of this deal, we begin to let Rush Limpballs and the screeching Fox News harpies separate Trump's base from him, when they talk about how "Trump sold us out."

Reject the deal as completely DOA, and they'll go back to praising him for at least attempting to put the shutdown on us.

RandySF

(58,982 posts)
3. A permanent wall in exchange for temporary DACA protection?
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 08:34 PM
Jan 2019

No thanks. And never assume because it can make an ass out of you and me.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
4. Are you feeling that worried
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 08:40 PM
Jan 2019

about regaining the White House in 2020? Three years gets us well into a 2020 Democratic Party presidency, where we will have to get comprehensive immigration reform through a Senate that will probably not have a 60 vote majority in our favor. It will be much easier to peel off a few GOP votes with the argument, "Well, you voted for something like this back in 2019."

And this is a fifth of a wall. It may be a monument to our stupidity as a nation, but as a permanent reminder of that stupidity, it has educational value for future generations.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
6. I assumed that, too
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 08:58 PM
Jan 2019

But will Trump win re-election in a country that hasn't been able to fly anywhere for about a year and a half? If he is seen by his base to capitulate (and the current offer is already being denounced as a capitulation by the reich-wing) will he get the numbers he got back in 2016?

Won't we have a better candidate in 2020 than we had in 2016? Will we have a fairer process to pick that candidate that lets everyone on our side realize that winning is more important than dissing the person who outmaneuvered our preferred candidate? Did we as a country learn anything from saying, "Aw, she can win, but not with my support!" ?

Trump's base will find a new Trump after he's crashed and burned. There are plenty of GOP hacks out there waiting to be the next one.

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