Pence has surely been thinking about what happens after Trump, he knows he's not going back to Indiana as a billionaire.

I watched the speech, and to me, Trump looked very uncomfortable giving it. He's been pushed into offering it, even if just to get Pence and Kushner off his ass about it. If our side completely rejects it, without even offering to modify it, then Trump gets to tell them both, "See, I told you it was useless!" And we hunker down for two more years of shutdown.

Would the United States be able to survive this? Trump will always have a roof over his head and a cheeseburger on his table, can 800,000 Federal workers or millions of SNAP beneficiaries say that?

I think the Con will back off and then blame the turtle for not getting it done. Turtle's wife will resign and the turtle will return to his shell and wifey's money. He will deservedly have been destroyed in the process. Let them devour one another while we watch on the side. After 30 days of this self-owned mess, his numbers will never come back. The Con is history. The only wall he'll see is the one closing in on him by the minute.

Take them all down.

However, as I am slightly dyslexic and often type a "D" for a "G" and vice-versa, I choose not to use that as my path of derision of this buffoon. Now, covfeve on the other hand, I have no idea where that came from.:

Here's where Trump is winning: We are so blindly hateful of him that we forget what is really the problem. Perhaps you've heard the saying, "When you see a turtle stuck at the top of a fence post, you know he didn't get there by himself."

We see Trump, completely out of his depth nominally as the leader of the free world, and we forget who put him there. The masses of people who voted for him in an election that he should have lost by large margins both in the popular vote and the Electoral College vote really don't care about him. They could give a shit if he's impeached, or resigns in favor of Pence, his value to them is being a pain in the ass to our side. They're the ones chortling to themselves about Nancy Pelosi not being able to meet the troops in Afghanistan, they care not about damaging relations between the Executive and Legislative branches of government.

The only way to defeat them is to completely demoralize them. We want them to go back to believing that their vote doesn't mean anything. The last thing we want is to fire them up, and even if Trump goes down in flames, including prison, he'll be a martyr. We need to get these deplorables back OUT of the political sphere, and the only way is if their "champion" deserts them.

Ann Coulter is already making a lot of noise about DACA and TPS protections being offered, she knows that if GOP'ers vote for a deal involving those programs, it will be so much easier for them the next time the subject comes up. That's what scares the crap out of her, and she will rile up the base to oppose Trump after that.

Then, the House can do an impeachment vote, and there might be a better chance that some GOP'ers will not be frightened of being primaried by a Trump-supported lackey, and may indeed vote to remove him from office.

Trump will be gone in a matter of years, this evil base that was willing to elect this man will be our nation's problem for decades to come if we don't find a way to quash them now. This offers the best way I can see.

Like firing James Comey against all recommendations.

instantly.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211696619

Don't ask the question unless you already know the answer. Don't announce a policy unless it's in the bag, all the players on board. Unless it's a planned failure that enables the "national emergency" call?

so pathetic.

He must think that he's on some kind of a roll. And, much to my surprise, he's managed to keep the unemployed Chris Christie out of the West Wing for about a year now.

in that book he paid a ghostwriter to concoct ? It's beyond brilliant when Trump is so persuasive that he can make grand bargains without ever speaking with the opposition.

Clearly he never read a politics 101 course or even a basic civics lesson.
He will learn that this is Speaker Pelosi not Lyin' Ryan.

Jaren and Pence are really very stupid people