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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Is It Too Late for Robert Mueller to Save Us?" - Slate
"In our ongoing national nightmare of creeping authoritarianism, we talk a good amount about normalization and the numbing effects of a barrage of shocking daily news. But I have also tried to be vigilant about all the ways in which magical thinking about law and lawyersthis is a nation of laws, not men, were toldcan also numb us, and lead to a declining sense of agency or ownership.
Democrats dont like giving up on their institutions easily, and the Mueller investigation has served as both the best and the worst manifestation of that alluring Democratic reasonableness. So long as he is working away, filing documents and convening grand juries, nobody needs to take to the streets. But as the year has progressed, its become clear that absolutely nothing will persuade Trump supporters and Republicans in Congress that its time to disavow the presidentnot lying, not spilling state secrets, not abject failure in crisis management, and not openly performed corruption. Given that reality, it often feels like it wouldnt be enough for Mueller to hand us a smoking gun and an indictment. What if they threw a conviction and nobody came?
It seems as though truth and law are forever losing ground in the footrace against open looting and overt totalitarianism. The more abjectly deranged Trumps behavior and the more Republicans in Congress cover for him, the less likely it is that anything Mueller can magic up in his underground hall of justice will matter. Trumps legal antagonists like to think that the next legal tick, tick, tick, boom will be the one that ends all this chaos. But with every passing day, as Trump escapes consequences and attacks the courts and the press, the chances that a tick, tick, tick, boom will be played off as #fakenews also increase.
Ive been thinking that America is operating along two parallel legal tracks. On one track is the chug-chug of law and order, as embodied in the Mueller investigation. On the other is the daily mayhem and denialism and circus-performing of the present White House. I tend to worry that with every passing day, the circus is training us to ignore, discredit, devalue, or disbelieve whats happening on the other track. By the time the Mueller train gets to its final station, the norms that would ordinarily lead to impeachment proceedings might be tiny piles of yellow legal padshaped cinders. And then it really would be time to take to the streets."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/12/is-it-too-late-for-robert-mueller-to-save-us.amp
The "rebuttal" against the Buzzfeed article was a blow against the press, so much so that Trump actually thanked the Mueller investigation.
We are, imho, running out of time.
Leith
(7,813 posts)or won't do anything.
Each day that passes gets worse and we've had too much silence from the Special Counsel office. A few indictments of people we've never heard of and Michael Cohen testifying before Congress next month are nice, but in the mean time, the Russian mob is running our country into the ground. A little midnight raid on Roger Stone or Devin Nunes would go a long way toward better morale.
I hope I'm wrong.
orangecrush
(19,581 posts)Surely get to see much more than we can, and are aware of the urgency to act.
From where I sit, waiting is not an option.
emulatorloo
(44,133 posts)A prosecutor gets the little fish (people weve never heard of) to flip on the big fish.
Mueller has a good track record.
HOW SCARED SHOULD TRUMP BE OF MUELLER? ASK JOHN GOTTI OR SAMMY THE BULL
If history is any guide, Mueller will put up with 19 murders to get his mark.
BY HOWARD BLUM
DECEMBER 1, 2017 6:31 PM
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/how-scared-should-trump-be-of-mueller-ask-john-gotti-or-sammy-the-bull
Leith
(7,813 posts)Sorry, everyone. I seem to have a bit of Seasonal Affective Disorder this week.
emulatorloo
(44,133 posts)Fingers crossed for you.
It is awful, but it helps to have so many like-minded people here.
JI7
(89,254 posts)rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)so he can get the whole criminal family.
tavernier
(12,393 posts)That is what we have a congress for.
Just because they refuse to see the country going down the toilet is not Muellers fault.
He is doing the job he was hired to do, and when he is finished, I imagine lots will happen. No doubt the country will have suffered a great deal by then, but again, the people in power to stop him havent.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)The downhill trump trend should probably continue.