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orangecrush

(19,581 posts)
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 07:55 PM Jan 2019

"Is It Too Late for Robert Mueller to Save Us?" - Slate

"In our ongoing national nightmare of creeping authoritarianism, we talk a good amount about normalization and the numbing effects of a barrage of shocking daily news. But I have also tried to be vigilant about all the ways in which magical thinking about law and lawyers—this is a nation of laws, not men, we’re told—can also numb us, and lead to a declining sense of agency or ownership.

Democrats don’t like giving up on their institutions easily, and the Mueller investigation has served as both the best and the worst manifestation of that alluring Democratic reasonableness. So long as he is working away, filing documents and convening grand juries, nobody needs to take to the streets. But as the year has progressed, it’s become clear that absolutely nothing will persuade Trump supporters and Republicans in Congress that it’s time to disavow the president—not lying, not spilling state secrets, not abject failure in crisis management, and not openly performed corruption. Given that reality, it often feels like it wouldn’t be enough for Mueller to hand us a smoking gun and an indictment. What if they threw a conviction and nobody came?


It seems as though truth and law are forever losing ground in the footrace against open looting and overt totalitarianism. The more abjectly deranged Trump’s behavior and the more Republicans in Congress cover for him, the less likely it is that anything Mueller can magic up in his underground hall of justice will matter. Trump’s legal antagonists like to think that the next legal “tick, tick, tick, boom” will be the one that ends all this chaos. But with every passing day, as Trump escapes consequences and attacks the courts and the press, the chances that a “tick, tick, tick, boom” will be played off as #fakenews also increase.

I’ve been thinking that America is operating along two parallel legal tracks. On one track is the chug-chug of law and order, as embodied in the Mueller investigation. On the other is the daily mayhem and denialism and circus-performing of the present White House. I tend to worry that with every passing day, the circus is training us to ignore, discredit, devalue, or disbelieve what’s happening on the other track. By the time the Mueller train gets to its final station, the norms that would ordinarily lead to impeachment proceedings might be tiny piles of yellow legal pad–shaped cinders. And then it really would be time to take to the streets."


https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/12/is-it-too-late-for-robert-mueller-to-save-us.amp



The "rebuttal" against the Buzzfeed article was a blow against the press, so much so that Trump actually thanked the Mueller investigation.

We are, imho, running out of time.

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"Is It Too Late for Robert Mueller to Save Us?" - Slate (Original Post) orangecrush Jan 2019 OP
I'm slowly coming to the belief that Mueller can't Leith Jan 2019 #1
The new house democrats orangecrush Jan 2019 #2
You're most likely wrong. JMHO of course. emulatorloo Jan 2019 #3
I'd like to be wrong a little sooner Leith Jan 2019 #4
I have SAD as well, it is awful emulatorloo Jan 2019 #5
Thanks Leith Jan 2019 #7
the problem is not Mueller. it's the republicans in congress that are the problem JI7 Jan 2019 #6
Sometimes I think Mueller is waiting for Barron to come of age rzemanfl Jan 2019 #8
... orangecrush Jan 2019 #11
But in fact, it's not his job to save us. tavernier Jan 2019 #9
The Congressional Dems are gearing up. trump bad news will be abundant. empedocles Jan 2019 #10

Leith

(7,813 posts)
1. I'm slowly coming to the belief that Mueller can't
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 08:08 PM
Jan 2019

or won't do anything.

Each day that passes gets worse and we've had too much silence from the Special Counsel office. A few indictments of people we've never heard of and Michael Cohen testifying before Congress next month are nice, but in the mean time, the Russian mob is running our country into the ground. A little midnight raid on Roger Stone or Devin Nunes would go a long way toward better morale.

I hope I'm wrong.

orangecrush

(19,581 posts)
2. The new house democrats
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 08:12 PM
Jan 2019

Surely get to see much more than we can, and are aware of the urgency to act.

From where I sit, waiting is not an option.

emulatorloo

(44,133 posts)
3. You're most likely wrong. JMHO of course.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 08:13 PM
Jan 2019

A prosecutor gets the little fish (people we’ve never heard of) to flip on the big fish.

Mueller has a good track record.

HOW SCARED SHOULD TRUMP BE OF MUELLER? ASK JOHN GOTTI OR SAMMY “THE BULL”
If history is any guide, Mueller will put up with 19 murders to get his mark.
BY HOWARD BLUM
DECEMBER 1, 2017 6:31 PM

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/how-scared-should-trump-be-of-mueller-ask-john-gotti-or-sammy-the-bull

Leith

(7,813 posts)
4. I'd like to be wrong a little sooner
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 08:16 PM
Jan 2019

Sorry, everyone. I seem to have a bit of Seasonal Affective Disorder this week.


rzemanfl

(29,565 posts)
8. Sometimes I think Mueller is waiting for Barron to come of age
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 08:28 PM
Jan 2019

so he can get the whole criminal family.

tavernier

(12,393 posts)
9. But in fact, it's not his job to save us.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 08:28 PM
Jan 2019

That is what we have a congress for.

Just because they refuse to see the country going down the toilet is not Mueller’s fault.

He is doing the job he was hired to do, and when he is finished, I imagine lots will happen. No doubt the country will have suffered a great deal by then, but again, the people in power to stop him haven’t.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
10. The Congressional Dems are gearing up. trump bad news will be abundant.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 08:34 PM
Jan 2019

The downhill trump trend should probably continue.

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