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https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-new-yorker-interview/have-aliens-found-us-a-harvard-astronomer-on-the-mysterious-interstellar-object-oumuamua<snip>
On October 19, 2017, astronomers at the University of Hawaii spotted a strange object travelling through our solar system, which they later described as a red and extremely elongated asteroid. It was the first interstellar object to be detected within our solar system; the scientists named it Oumuamua, the Hawaiian word for a scout or messenger. The following October, Avi Loeb, the chair of Harvards astronomy department, co-wrote a paper (with a Harvard postdoctoral fellow, Shmuel Bialy) that examined Oumuamuas peculiar acceleration and suggested that the object may be a fully operational probe sent intentionally to Earths vicinity by an alien civilization. Loeb has long been interested in the search for extraterrestrial life, and he recently made further headlines by suggesting that we might communicate with the civilization that sent the probe. If these beings are peaceful, we could learn a lot from them, he told Der Spiegel.
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What we are talking about today is part of science. We have seen an object from outside the solar system, and we are trying to figure what it is made of and where it came from. We dont have as much data as I would like. Given the data that we have, I am putting this on the table, and it bothers people to even think about that, just like it bothered the Church in the days of Galileo to even think about the possibility that the Earth moves around the sun. Prejudice is based on experience in the past. The problem is that it prevents you from making discoveries. If you put the probability at zero per cent of an object coming into the solar system, you would never find it!
Roland99
(53,342 posts)JHB
(37,159 posts)...for a course adjustment.
I seem to recall a scenario like that.
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I am from the nut fringe that accept the possibility of the existence of a fifth force of nature. One of the features of that force is that any beings that know of it's existence can then figure out how to copy and modulate that force in spacecraft, making those space craft capable of moving at enormous speed over vast distances in galaxial terms (3-10 Parsecs in a year or less).
If someone does know that we are here, hope that they are peaceful, because if they are not count on one thing for sure, republicans will betray us to try to gain favor with the aliens. Of course, if they are peaceful, zenlike beings, republicans won't be cool with that, but can't do crap about them.
JHB
(37,159 posts)...the odds heavily favor it being naturally occurring rock, metal, and ice.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Look at the trouble we have generated on our home planet. Imagine the havoc we will cause when we go outside of our solar system.
Cetacea
(7,367 posts)Not sure why everyone tends to think an intelligent race would want to friend us. If they don't look anything like us (think cetaceans) we are likely to harpoon them.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Please. Soon.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Bonus points if a female alien does the probing.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)I won't do anything wrong Haaa
Iggo
(47,552 posts)...so really all they have to do is just leave us alone.
Why no?
LunaSea
(2,893 posts)Similar to comet bodies out-gassing, just not in the visible spectrum.
This is an observed phenomena familiar to planetary scientists.
If Oumuamua were decelerating, that would be remarkable.
It's a shame we were not in a better position to examine it closely.
PSPS
(13,594 posts)edhopper
(33,575 posts)there is any alien intelligence there.
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,377 posts)I'll even submit to their, um, probing.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Remember, only one piece of carry on luggage per passenger.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)LunaSea
(2,893 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,377 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)I'll get back to you later!
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)It's pretty interesting. It's fun seeing "Littlefinger" in a new role as well.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)rampartc
(5,407 posts)to the queen of argentine ants or amazon termites.
Anon-C
(3,430 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,853 posts)do not remotely think that object is some alien artifact. It simply didn't behave even remotely like that. Yes, they know that it came from outside our solar system, and so is the first object we've known of that is extra-solar, but it wasn't travelling anywhere near fast enough to have been under power of any kind.
Oh, and the picture at the top of the article is an artist's rendition, not an actual picture.
If there were anything that had any realistic chance of being from some alien civilization out there, the astronomers of the world would be the very first to broadcast that far and wide.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)I wish every time the media used one, they would be obligated to put that on the picture. We aren't even certain that it was a single body. As you said the object is easily explained by our current knowledge of astrophysics.
The most parsimonious explanation is the best explanation to go with. Occam's razor.
Voltaire2
(13,023 posts)And its trajectory cannot be explained by gravity or cometary ice effects.
It means that there is no evidence of gas that relates to the evaporation of ice. We dont see the telltale signatures of cometary tail. Moreover, if it was cometary activity, then we would expect the spin period of this object to change, and we dont see that. All of these things are indicative of the fact that it is nothing like a comet that we have seen before in the solar system. And it is also nothing like an asteroid. Its brightness varies by a factor of ten, and the maximum you typically observe is a factor of three. It has a much more extreme geometry, and there is some other force pushing it. The question is, whats providing this force, and that was the trigger for our paper.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,853 posts)The trajectory can be explained, even if not by gravity or cometary ice effects. It started out a very, very long way away, so far away that they simply can't figure out where it originated. The fact that it is not at all like comets or asteroids we've seen before in the solar system is essentially a non fact. First off, it comes from well outside the solar system. Secondly, astronomers discover new things and figure out new things about old stuff all the time.
Even noted astronomers get things wrong.
Fred Hole, the astronomer who coined the phrase "Big Bang" came up with it because he thought the notion of the Universe having its origin in a giant explosion was so ridiculous that he wanted a phrase that would appropriately (to him) belittle the idea. Instead, it became the accepted name for an event that every astronomer accepts as having happen, even though to the end of his life he remained convinced that it hadn't.
Voltaire2
(13,023 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)And I mean *genuine* altruism, a sharing of knowledge WITHOUT requiring something in return: land, treasure, crops and crop stores, natural resources, enslavement, subjugation, etc.
One would have to hope that such impulses and actions would be completely foreign to any visiting extraterrestrials.