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kentuck

(111,089 posts)
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 10:51 PM Jan 2019

Have Aliens Found Us? A Harvard Astronomer on the Mysterious Interstellar Object 'Oumuamua'

https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-new-yorker-interview/have-aliens-found-us-a-harvard-astronomer-on-the-mysterious-interstellar-object-oumuamua

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On October 19, 2017, astronomers at the University of Hawaii spotted a strange object travelling through our solar system, which they later described as “a red and extremely elongated asteroid.” It was the first interstellar object to be detected within our solar system; the scientists named it ‘Oumuamua, the Hawaiian word for a scout or messenger. The following October, Avi Loeb, the chair of Harvard’s astronomy department, co-wrote a paper (with a Harvard postdoctoral fellow, Shmuel Bialy) that examined ‘Oumuamua’s “peculiar acceleration” and suggested that the object “may be a fully operational probe sent intentionally to Earth’s vicinity by an alien civilization.” Loeb has long been interested in the search for extraterrestrial life, and he recently made further headlines by suggesting that we might communicate with the civilization that sent the probe. “If these beings are peaceful, we could learn a lot from them,” he told Der Spiegel.

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What we are talking about today is part of science. We have seen an object from outside the solar system, and we are trying to figure what it is made of and where it came from. We don’t have as much data as I would like. Given the data that we have, I am putting this on the table, and it bothers people to even think about that, just like it bothered the Church in the days of Galileo to even think about the possibility that the Earth moves around the sun. Prejudice is based on experience in the past. The problem is that it prevents you from making discoveries. If you put the probability at zero per cent of an object coming into the solar system, you would never find it!
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Have Aliens Found Us? A Harvard Astronomer on the Mysterious Interstellar Object 'Oumuamua' (Original Post) kentuck Jan 2019 OP
And I just started the Extinction Code trilogy Roland99 Jan 2019 #1
Or, they could be completely indifferent to us and just be using the sun's gravity... JHB Jan 2019 #2
A lot of possibilities. Blue_true Jan 2019 #15
Ok. Just as long as you remember... JHB Jan 2019 #33
If they are smart, they will eradicate the human race. roamer65 Jan 2019 #3
Maybe they are working on it Cetacea Jan 2019 #11
Maybe Mike Pence will get his long desired rapture, real soon. nt Blue_true Jan 2019 #16
Beam him up! Beam him up! Beam him up! lagomorph777 Jan 2019 #21
And do weird probes on him, even if Mother does not approve. Blue_true Jan 2019 #27
If they'll pick him up I'll lend them my personal copy of the book defacto7 Jan 2019 #28
Ha Mr spaceman please take me along for a ride scarytomcat Jan 2019 #37
They know we can't get out of here without help... Iggo Jan 2019 #12
No manor321 Jan 2019 #4
No? Control-Z Jan 2019 #8
"peculiar acceleration" LunaSea Jan 2019 #5
Aw, Jeez PSPS Jan 2019 #6
No evidence to think it is edhopper Jan 2019 #7
K&R interesting Jeffersons Ghost Jan 2019 #9
I want to be abducted. Laffy Kat Jan 2019 #10
The flying saucer should be there shortly. democratisphere Jan 2019 #14
They have already been here! yortsed snacilbuper Jan 2019 #18
All Aboard! LunaSea Jan 2019 #17
..... Laffy Kat Jan 2019 #24
You seem to like the idea of a probing.... lagomorph777 Jan 2019 #22
I didn't say I'd "happily submit"... nt Laffy Kat Jan 2019 #26
"Project Blue Book" coming up on the History Channel at 11:00 PM EST. democratisphere Jan 2019 #13
I've seen the first two episodes. Ilsa Jan 2019 #23
Love the show based on actual events and done as a movie. democratisphere Jan 2019 #25
Oh please do not land in the U.S. and ask to be taken to our leader. Marie Marie Jan 2019 #19
... defacto7 Jan 2019 #30
"take me to yoyr leader" might be a request for directions rampartc Jan 2019 #31
It's a sign! The apotheosis of the Dump voter is at hand! Anon-C Jan 2019 #20
Astronomers, according to My Son the Astronomer PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #29
Good point about the artist's rendition exboyfil Jan 2019 #32
The authors of the paper are noted astronomers. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #35
According to My Son the Astronomer, PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #36
Hoyle. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #38
Has any advanced-technology civilization ever used it to truly help and enlighten a backward one? VOX Jan 2019 #34

JHB

(37,159 posts)
2. Or, they could be completely indifferent to us and just be using the sun's gravity...
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 10:57 PM
Jan 2019

...for a course adjustment.

I seem to recall a scenario like that.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
15. A lot of possibilities.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:19 AM
Jan 2019

I am from the nut fringe that accept the possibility of the existence of a fifth force of nature. One of the features of that force is that any beings that know of it's existence can then figure out how to copy and modulate that force in spacecraft, making those space craft capable of moving at enormous speed over vast distances in galaxial terms (3-10 Parsecs in a year or less).

If someone does know that we are here, hope that they are peaceful, because if they are not count on one thing for sure, republicans will betray us to try to gain favor with the aliens. Of course, if they are peaceful, zenlike beings, republicans won't be cool with that, but can't do crap about them.

JHB

(37,159 posts)
33. Ok. Just as long as you remember...
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 07:35 AM
Jan 2019

...the odds heavily favor it being naturally occurring rock, metal, and ice.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
3. If they are smart, they will eradicate the human race.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 10:57 PM
Jan 2019

Look at the trouble we have generated on our home planet. Imagine the havoc we will cause when we go outside of our solar system.

Cetacea

(7,367 posts)
11. Maybe they are working on it
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:34 PM
Jan 2019

Not sure why everyone tends to think an intelligent race would want to friend us. If they don't look anything like us (think cetaceans) we are likely to harpoon them.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
27. And do weird probes on him, even if Mother does not approve.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:45 AM
Jan 2019

Bonus points if a female alien does the probing.

Iggo

(47,552 posts)
12. They know we can't get out of here without help...
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:37 PM
Jan 2019

...so really all they have to do is just leave us alone.

LunaSea

(2,893 posts)
5. "peculiar acceleration"
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:01 PM
Jan 2019

Similar to comet bodies out-gassing, just not in the visible spectrum.
This is an observed phenomena familiar to planetary scientists.
If Oumuamua were decelerating, that would be remarkable.
It's a shame we were not in a better position to examine it closely.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
23. I've seen the first two episodes.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:29 AM
Jan 2019

It's pretty interesting. It's fun seeing "Littlefinger" in a new role as well.

rampartc

(5,407 posts)
31. "take me to yoyr leader" might be a request for directions
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 02:26 AM
Jan 2019

to the queen of argentine ants or amazon termites.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
29. Astronomers, according to My Son the Astronomer
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:57 AM
Jan 2019

do not remotely think that object is some alien artifact. It simply didn't behave even remotely like that. Yes, they know that it came from outside our solar system, and so is the first object we've known of that is extra-solar, but it wasn't travelling anywhere near fast enough to have been under power of any kind.

Oh, and the picture at the top of the article is an artist's rendition, not an actual picture.

If there were anything that had any realistic chance of being from some alien civilization out there, the astronomers of the world would be the very first to broadcast that far and wide.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
32. Good point about the artist's rendition
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:36 AM
Jan 2019

I wish every time the media used one, they would be obligated to put that on the picture. We aren't even certain that it was a single body. As you said the object is easily explained by our current knowledge of astrophysics.

The most parsimonious explanation is the best explanation to go with. Occam's razor.

Voltaire2

(13,023 posts)
35. The authors of the paper are noted astronomers.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:01 AM
Jan 2019

And its trajectory cannot be explained by gravity or cometary ice effects.

“It means that there is no evidence of gas that relates to the evaporation of ice. We don’t see the telltale signatures of cometary tail. Moreover, if it was cometary activity, then we would expect the spin period of this object to change, and we don’t see that. All of these things are indicative of the fact that it is nothing like a comet that we have seen before in the solar system. And it is also nothing like an asteroid. Its brightness varies by a factor of ten, and the maximum you typically observe is a factor of three. It has a much more extreme geometry, and there is some other force pushing it. The question is, what’s providing this force, and that was the trigger for our paper.”

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
36. According to My Son the Astronomer,
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 10:32 AM
Jan 2019

The trajectory can be explained, even if not by gravity or cometary ice effects. It started out a very, very long way away, so far away that they simply can't figure out where it originated. The fact that it is not at all like comets or asteroids we've seen before in the solar system is essentially a non fact. First off, it comes from well outside the solar system. Secondly, astronomers discover new things and figure out new things about old stuff all the time.

Even noted astronomers get things wrong.

Fred Hole, the astronomer who coined the phrase "Big Bang" came up with it because he thought the notion of the Universe having its origin in a giant explosion was so ridiculous that he wanted a phrase that would appropriately (to him) belittle the idea. Instead, it became the accepted name for an event that every astronomer accepts as having happen, even though to the end of his life he remained convinced that it hadn't.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
34. Has any advanced-technology civilization ever used it to truly help and enlighten a backward one?
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 07:50 AM
Jan 2019

And I mean *genuine* altruism, a sharing of knowledge WITHOUT requiring something in return: land, treasure, crops and crop stores, natural resources, enslavement, subjugation, etc.

One would have to hope that such impulses and actions would be completely foreign to any visiting extraterrestrials.

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