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I never studied economics, but I do know how to add and subtract. We now have trickle down economics on steroids in place.
Trump and the Republicans gave a giant tax cut to the rich and corporations which has caused the National debt to explode. The wealth divide is off the charts which is dangerous. You usually give tax cuts when the economy is doing poorly, not when it's doing well. If there is a downturn they already used up an important tool to fix a downturn.
They have deregulated the financial markets, real estate markets , pretty much everything, which guarantees something will go wrong.
Trump and his entire administration are incompetent and completely corrupt. If something goes wrong with the economy will they be able to respond in a responsible way? I doubt it.
Add to that a tariff war and a government shutdown and it all equals economic collapse.
We all worry about the Government workers, We want the shutdown to end so they can get paid.
Unfortunately, one day soon many Americans may be out of work because of this madness we are living through.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)Me thinks you are correct.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)'policies' directly caused and exacerbated it. DONE.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)ananda
(28,859 posts)Tax cuts and trade wars will see to that.
Wounded Bear
(58,653 posts)I'm still convinced that many libertarian types were deeply disappointed that the recession of 2k8 didn't turn into a full on depression and that we averted a major catastrophe.
Runningdawg
(4,516 posts)The libertarians I know, think they are on high-ground right now. Leaving NATO, pulling out of Syria - EXCELLENT. The first step in ending globalization. Government closed, GOOD leave it closed. See I told you we didn't need one anyhow...
My reply-But people are hurting, not just financially. If the shutdown doesn't end soon, their health will be impacted.
Their comeback - People will get over it, or they won't. Not my problem, if they die, it's a step in the right direction to end the overpopulation crisis as well. #winning
Wounded Bear
(58,653 posts)if they suffer, they weren't properly prepared.
Blame the victims.
rampartc
(5,407 posts)his treasury secretary is another con man. so, yes, i think we can expect an economic collapse. probablt late in trump's term. i also expect it to be blamed on the democrats.
they really want to get as much of the social security money invested in a high price market, followed by a "correction" that leaves us wondering "where did those trillions go?"
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)blame on everyone like a fucking child, and never takes responsible. I hate him and what he is doing to everyone.
rampartc
(5,407 posts)his party, his administration, and his voters are all culpable in his crimes.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Real estate has leveled and is starting to nosedive.
Wounded Bear
(58,653 posts)has been for several months now. Good that prices are going down, but we'll see.
Igel
(35,300 posts)Like apt. rents flatlining or decreasing (more capacity) and interest rates (so that a de facto price increase was added on by the Fed). Both reduce demand; house prices are elastic.
Wounded Bear
(58,653 posts)but we'll see how it develops long term.
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)snip of article:
Were on the verge of a recession and it will kick Trump out of town: Ex-GOP lawmaker
Conservative David Stockman, a former Republican congressman who also served as the Director of the Office of Management and Budget under former President Ronald Reagan, believes that President Donald Trumps time in office is going to come to a crashing end in the near future.
During an interview with MSNBCs Mika Brzezinski on Monday, Stockman said that multiple warning signs were flashing on the state of the American economy, which he said was in the last stages of a long economic expansion.
He keeps bragging about the greatest economy ever, Stockman said. Were near the end of a weak, long expansion cycle thats headed for the next recession.
Stockman went on to call the brief spurt in growth during the presidents first two years a temporary blip fueled by corporate tax cuts, and he predicting things would come crashing back down this year.
Theres been no boom, he said. Theres a recession coming. Hes made it worse with the worst tax cut in modern history and a fiscal policy that is truly an abomination.
Igel
(35,300 posts)But one made worse. Don't know about that. Economics don't even have 20/20 hindsight.
I find his expertise to be no worse or better than many others'. That he's "conservative" should have no effect on his analysis, and it's annoying that people think that one's politics properly determines such things so that a conservative dissing Trump is somehow superior and more likely to be right. Even as an appeal to authority it's pretty lame. The key thing to managing the OMB isn't writing reports or doing sophisticated economic analysis, it's managing. I worked as a translator in an office for a while; the manager's English sucked and she couldn't translate worth beans. On the other hand, she kept everything organized, had a stellar work flow process going, a systematic and efficient way of weeding out bad translators, and made sure that when work was completed it was logged and payment processed quickly. Great manager who couldn't step in to do what her charges did.
Stockman's behind much trickle-down economics. He was trained in theology. And his business record's pretty crappy. But there's that appeal to authority that he's cashed in on.
What's really scary is that the IMF is predicting 2.5% growth for the US. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/imf-cuts-world-economic-forecast-for-2019-citing-trade-tensions-2019-01-21
In other words, we're doomed.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)He dam near caused a great depression. Remember he cancelled his campaign and went to Washington to save the economy. When he got there he sat there and said nothing. People were worried he would stop the bail out which would have caused a world wide great depression.
Brawndo
(535 posts)haven't stood in the way of republican support of tRump, maybe hitting them in the wallet finally will.
former9thward
(32,003 posts)Gloom and doom is always popular. It come from the left when the right is in power. It comes from the right when the left is in power. It comes from both when power is mixed. Our economy is far too big for a president to control. We will do just fine. Notice how all the 'sky is falling' people have disappeared (for a moment) now the market is making gains. The next drop they will quickly be back...
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)corporate, personal and government debit is high and austerity is their remedy. It will make things worse. They have no cards to play that will help when it comes.