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fleur-de-lisa

(14,624 posts)
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 12:03 PM Jan 2019

Another CovCath tape from last week emerges: "It's not rape if you enjoy it."

Amee Vanderpool @girlsreallyrule
9:28 AM - Jan 22, 2019

Latest Covington Catholic video from the Lincoln Memorial incident on Friday has surfaced where one of the students yells, "It's not rape if you enjoy it!" Good luck spinning this one...

9:28 AM - Jan 22, 2019


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Another CovCath tape from last week emerges: "It's not rape if you enjoy it." (Original Post) fleur-de-lisa Jan 2019 OP
Ignorant, self entitled little gopiscrap Jan 2019 #1
Well said get the red out Jan 2019 #2
What tells you they're from Covington Catholic? Demit Jan 2019 #3
The MAGA hat and Cincinnati Bengal's gear. Botany Jan 2019 #6
Well that's fine, but aren't there other schools whose kids would be Bengals fans? Demit Jan 2019 #12
Covington is right across the Ohio River from Cincinnati, the high school is.... George II Jan 2019 #18
I don't know, myself. If you know for a fact that only one school did, that's fine with me. Demit Jan 2019 #44
Post #7 Botany Jan 2019 #56
Yes I watched that. It doesn't prove one way or the other what school the kid is from. Demit Jan 2019 #60
Lots fescuerescue Jan 2019 #63
They heard that from their grandfathers. nt DURHAM D Jan 2019 #4
Probably not. wcollar Jan 2019 #20
Jfc, man. Fuzzpope Jan 2019 #5
For anyone questioning whether is is the Kovington Katholic Kids, here's the longer version... PunkinPi Jan 2019 #7
People should watch that video from 12:30 oberliner Jan 2019 #23
Indeed... please do so, and comment on what you hear and from whom. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #25
I heard the n-word being shouted repeatedly at a bunch of high schoolers oberliner Jan 2019 #26
And what does this lead you to conclude? LanternWaste Jan 2019 #28
More coverage and criticism ought to be directed towards these hateful bigots oberliner Jan 2019 #30
The best way to have handled those 4 or 5 bigots .... CatMor Jan 2019 #31
You should try that. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #32
They've been doing this for years, SPLC is on it... PunkinPi Jan 2019 #55
Thank you! "Kovington Katholic Kids" is right, my friend. Duppers Jan 2019 #51
Thanks, Dup! PunkinPi Jan 2019 #53
And back at ya, Sweetie! Duppers Jan 2019 #62
And they all paid to come to DC to demand a woman can never have an abortion if raped. Remember that lunasun Jan 2019 #8
Yep, to assert their dominance over women. fleur-de-lisa Jan 2019 #57
So it stands to reason they're anti-choice! 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2019 #9
At the MFL no less obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #10
What about abstinence only? I guess premarital sex is ok but not abortion. SweetieD Jan 2019 #11
Bunch of Brent Kavanaughs in the making Alpeduez21 Jan 2019 #13
I can think of one poster who will try to defend this BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #14
Cue balls are fun to dink around. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #34
I hope their parents are proud of the closet criminals they've produced. ffr Jan 2019 #15
Don't hate me, but if I enjoy it, am I being raped? rainin Jan 2019 #16
Maybe he meant it's not rape if HE enjoys it. Demit Jan 2019 #45
The implication is that if he rapes a women, she'll enjoy it so much Mariana Jan 2019 #52
They're prepping for spots on the SCOTUS. It worked for Judge Boof. Hassler Jan 2019 #17
Standard pre-requisite for appointment to the Supreme Court by a GOP president IronLionZion Jan 2019 #19
Sick little boy assholes. nt akraven Jan 2019 #21
sesspool robleb Jan 2019 #22
This seems to have been excerpted from the 2 hour video oberliner Jan 2019 #24
What did you learn from watching the video? BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #35
Good luck getting an honest answer Docreed2003 Jan 2019 #37
One thing it does show is that the BHI were not any kookier or more bigoted than your average Demit Jan 2019 #46
Thanks BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #50
Apparently the BHI are a fixture in DC. I don't know if there's ever more than 4 or 5 guys, but Demit Jan 2019 #54
Is that another one of their school chants? nclib Jan 2019 #27
Those are future GOP presidential candidates. progressoid Jan 2019 #29
What a guy Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2019 #33
White privilege is fucking ugly, isn't it. sfwriter Jan 2019 #36
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #42
As long as you're ranking deplorable comments, how do the Black Israelites' comments rate Demit Jan 2019 #48
Agreed, they went there to disrupt. For those five or so adults in the BI, offense was their goal. sfwriter Jan 2019 #49
Fine upstanding anti-abortion rape apologist. Nitram Jan 2019 #38
republican values have poisoned America's youth Achilleaze Jan 2019 #39
How do you account for the comments from the Black Israelites? oberliner Jan 2019 #41
They poisoned themselves Achilleaze Jan 2019 #43
Fox/GOP/Hate radio/Republican Jesus propaganda workinclasszero Jan 2019 #47
This Only Reinforces the School's Teachings that... dlk Jan 2019 #40
Why do I think Planned Parenthood got a lot of business this week? MaryMagdaline Jan 2019 #58
sounds like a talibornagain madrassa. hope it closes toot sweet. pansypoo53219 Jan 2019 #59
Their president said pretty much the same thing. Didn't he? n/t Yavin4 Jan 2019 #61

Botany

(70,501 posts)
6. The MAGA hat and Cincinnati Bengal's gear.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 12:19 PM
Jan 2019

Covington is a suburb of Cincinnati .... across the Ohio River.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
12. Well that's fine, but aren't there other schools whose kids would be Bengals fans?
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 12:38 PM
Jan 2019

I'd be a lot more confident in spreading this video if there were conclusive proof they were the same kids, like a face that's in both videos.

George II

(67,782 posts)
18. Covington is right across the Ohio River from Cincinnati, the high school is....
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 02:05 PM
Jan 2019

.....only two miles from the Bengals' stadium. How many Cincinnati area high schools sent students to the Washington rally?

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
60. Yes I watched that. It doesn't prove one way or the other what school the kid is from.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 06:29 PM
Jan 2019

Just fyi, there were kids from at least one other private catholic high school in Kentucky who attended the march, Owensboro Catholic High School. And it's co-ed (unlike Covington) which could explain the girls standing nearby.

I'm not asserting anything, btw. I'm just cautioning against jumping to conclusions. The kid is a creep either way.

Here's a piece about one of the Owensboro kids:
https://www.owensborotimes.com/news/2019/01/catholic-schools-under-fire-for-comments-at-indigenous-peoples-march-school-officials-father-respond/




fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
63. Lots
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 07:06 PM
Jan 2019

Cincinnati isn't a tiny town. There are 22 school districts in Hamilton County alone - which doesn't even include Northern Kentucky.

FWIW, folks from N.KY don't consider themselves Cincinnati residents. When I grew up in Cincinnati, N.Ky was no different than any other city that wasn't Cincinnati. It was considered a different place with a different culture and accent even.

PunkinPi

(4,875 posts)
7. For anyone questioning whether is is the Kovington Katholic Kids, here's the longer version...
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 12:21 PM
Jan 2019

starts at 13:40, Andie's tweet




 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
26. I heard the n-word being shouted repeatedly at a bunch of high schoolers
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 02:27 PM
Jan 2019

Apparently by members of the Black Israelite group.

They also say that the white students are going to harvest the black student's organs - or something along those lines.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
30. More coverage and criticism ought to be directed towards these hateful bigots
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 02:35 PM
Jan 2019

I hope they are not continuing to harass people in this way.

If so, there should be a movement by progressives to bring attention to such abhorrent behavior.

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
31. The best way to have handled those 4 or 5 bigots ....
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 02:40 PM
Jan 2019

would have been to completely ignore them. They got major attention, exactly what they were looking for.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
32. You should try that.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 02:42 PM
Jan 2019

And let us know how it goes.
The change you seek can begin with simply one person. Even you...

As you yourself wrote on this very subject: "Why not give them a piece of your mind? Hatred and bigotry needs to be challenged."
it would be a real bummer if you thought yourself exempt from that.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
51. Thank you! "Kovington Katholic Kids" is right, my friend.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 04:06 PM
Jan 2019

"Balls-on accurate" to quote Marisa Tomei. They are evil.



BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
14. I can think of one poster who will try to defend this
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 01:44 PM
Jan 2019

Last edited Tue Jan 22, 2019, 02:37 PM - Edit history (2)

“Well, technically, if it’s pleasurable to the woman...”

Same poster who comes here to play Debbie Downer anytime Trump has a bad day. Same poster who has been hyper skeptical about Phillips’ version of the incident. The same poster who “just doesn’t see” the obvious black face at Covington games.

UPDATE: Right on cue!

ffr

(22,669 posts)
15. I hope their parents are proud of the closet criminals they've produced.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 01:54 PM
Jan 2019

Future domestic violence perpetrators.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
16. Don't hate me, but if I enjoy it, am I being raped?
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 01:56 PM
Jan 2019

Are we talking about an adult and a child or two consenting adults? Are we talking about a boss and a subordinate or two teenage kids? If we're talking about equal individuals, am I being raped if I enjoy it? What does this even mean?

I'm just asking about what the comment means -- not the OBVIOUS INAPPROPRIATENESS of saying something like that out loud.

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
52. The implication is that if he rapes a women, she'll enjoy it so much
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 04:13 PM
Jan 2019

that she'll be grateful he did it, and therefore won't think of it as rape. That's what it means.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
19. Standard pre-requisite for appointment to the Supreme Court by a GOP president
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 02:11 PM
Jan 2019

or to run for president as a Republican

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
46. One thing it does show is that the BHI were not any kookier or more bigoted than your average
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 03:55 PM
Jan 2019

evangelical. And they certainly weren't menacing in any way. In fact, if you stick it out to the end (ugh, that's 33 minutes of my life I'll never get back) you see the preacher stop ranting & actually engage with a second group of Catholic kids (they have "Hope" on their sweatshirts) in a discussion of the 10 commandments and the role of religious statues in a Catholic Church. Their point of view is still extreme, but everyone is speaking in a normal voice.

BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
50. Thanks
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 04:01 PM
Jan 2019

The poster above has been attempting to make the case the BHI folks are completely to blame and the Covington kids are being persecuted. Classic deflection technique. It seems like they think nobody notices.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
54. Apparently the BHI are a fixture in DC. I don't know if there's ever more than 4 or 5 guys, but
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 04:27 PM
Jan 2019

if you ever go downtown in a big city you're familiar with kooks that set up on a corner & deliver their spiel at passersby. It's background noise. You pause if you want to listen to them and walk past them if you're not interested.

These guys did not budge from one spot. The kids began gathering around them. At some point they started to move in closer. The video is being shot by one of the Black Isrealites I think, and it shows people gathering to stand in back of them. The Covington kids start out listening, then later start getting rambunctious...one of them strips down to his shorts and leads the rest in a cheer, maybe their school cheer?... at one point there's a black kid with them...the preacher says "ah, the token" and addresses him a couple of times (this is when he uses the word "nigga" and do I really have to point out that black guys use this terminology with one another all the time? It's, like, an in-group thing? White people don't have any business being offended by the practice).

Sorry to ramble. No, the BHI were not to blame in any way. They were just doing what they do. The kids chose to engage.

Response to sfwriter (Reply #36)

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
48. As long as you're ranking deplorable comments, how do the Black Israelites' comments rate
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 04:00 PM
Jan 2019

vis-a-vis Westboro Church haranguers at a funeral? Or anti-abortionists' rants at women going into a Planned Parenthood clinic? More deplorable? Less? About even?

 

sfwriter

(3,032 posts)
49. Agreed, they went there to disrupt. For those five or so adults in the BI, offense was their goal.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 04:01 PM
Jan 2019

Last edited Tue Jan 22, 2019, 09:04 PM - Edit history (1)

These CovCath kids just decided to air their own ignorance and privilege and whatever "adult" supervision was there allowed it. From what we are learning about them, that privilege runs deep and was not just a response to BI. We are learning they have a history of such offenses and that speaks volumes about the permissive diocese that allows such racism to fester.

I don't find the BI to be in any way credible, so I am far less offended by them. They are dismissible in their ignorance, say, garden variety deplorable. These CovCath kids are going to the white house to be hailed as rightwing heroes for their actions. That is about as privileged and ugly as it gets, truly "basket-grade," Trump era, post-kavenaugh deplorable.



Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
39. republican values have poisoned America's youth
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 03:03 PM
Jan 2019

They are growing up following in the skeazey footsteps of Comrade Dirty Donny, the deceitful and ignoble republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
47. Fox/GOP/Hate radio/Republican Jesus propaganda
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 03:58 PM
Jan 2019

has poisoned this country and will destroy the whole world via climate change/pollution/fascism if they are not stopped quickly.

dlk

(11,561 posts)
40. This Only Reinforces the School's Teachings that...
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 03:12 PM
Jan 2019

teenage boys should be bused on a school field trip to protest adult women’s control of their own bodies. This type of misogyny is taught at home and at schools like Covington and is the anthesis of Christianity. The result is perpetration of the rape culture shown on this video. I can’t imagine the teachings of Jesus encouraging rape under any circumstances, whether or not the victim is perceived to “enjoy it.”

MaryMagdaline

(6,853 posts)
58. Why do I think Planned Parenthood got a lot of business this week?
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:12 PM
Jan 2019

Young women running into these guys on the street, thinking, "I better do something about spawning one of those assholes."

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