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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA group representing Nathan Phillips wrongly said he served in Vietnam
In reality, Phillips served from June 1972 to May 1976 in the Marine Corps Reserve, a service spokeswoman, Yvonne Carlock, said Wednesday. He did not deploy, and he left the service as a private after disciplinary issues. From October 1972 to February 1973, he was classified as an antitank missileman, a kind of infantryman, Carlock said. He then became a refrigerator technician for the majority of his service.
Daniel Paul Nelson, a leader in the Lakota Peoples Law Project, said in an interview that his group made the error and that Phillips never told the group he served in Vietnam. The group, Nelson said, trusted what we had seen in previous stories about Phillips, some of which also referred to him erroneously as a Vietnam veteran.
We were trying to do the advocacy work that we do, Nelson said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/01/23/nathan-phillips-man-standoff-with-covington-teens-faces-scrutiny-his-military-past/?utm_term=.0dbd1c8e917d
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Phillips, who turns 64 next month, is not old enough to have deployed to Vietnam as a Marine infantryman, prompting accusations that he was lying about his service.
The military will typically provide basic details about a persons military service within a day, but the situation with Phillips was complicated because he enlisted under another name associated with a family that raised him, Nelson said. He provided Phillipss full Social Security number to The Post with Phillipss permission to help clear up the confusion.
On Tuesday night, Donald Shipley, a Navy SEAL veteran who investigates military service records, published a video in which he showed excerpts of Phillipss service record.
This is all going into that Native American guy that everybody keeps labeling as a Vietnam vet, and he is not, Shipley said in the video. A lot of these news outlets are using that claim of Vietnam vet to kind of beef that story up and make it look even worse.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/01/23/nathan-phillips-man-standoff-with-covington-teens-faces-scrutiny-his-military-past/?utm_term=.0dbd1c8e917d
SunSeeker
(51,576 posts)He never lied.
Some people may have been mistaken about where and when he served, but so what? That's not on him.
These attempts to smear Phillips are disgusting.
The smear technique is disgusting indeed...
oberliner
(58,724 posts)SunSeeker
(51,576 posts)So he indeed was a "Vietnam era" vet. He did not lie.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Some sources erroneous reported that he was a "Vietnam Vet" when what he actually said was that he was a "Vietnam-era Vet" or "Vietnam-times Vet" - CNN even had it wrong in the transcription of their interview with him.
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SunSeeker
(51,576 posts)What truly marks the end of the Vietnam War was April 1975: In the Fall of Saigon, the capital of South Vietnam is seized by communist forces and the government of South Vietnam surrenders. U.S. Marine and Air Force helicopters transport more than 1,000 American civilians and nearly 7,000 South Vietnamese refugees out of Saigon in an 18-hour mass evacuation effort.https://www.history.com/.amp/topics/vietnam-war/vietnam-war-timeline
Nathan Phillips is not running for office. I doubt he even has a resume; he certainly does not push one. He does not hold himself out as a combat vet, just a Native American elder and marine who served during Vietnam, which is the truth.
What difference does it make whether he saw combat or not? Many vets provide valuable service to our country outside of combat. Why are you so upset that he was not in combat? Are you as upset over the outright lies by the boys and their Republican PR firm claiming that the tomahawk chops they were doing was a "school cheer" even though their school mascot is "The Colonel"?
And what is the point of examing his military papers? Do they shed any light on what happened at the Mall? Or does it only serve to smear a vet?
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SunSeeker
(51,576 posts)Why are you browsing the YouTube page of a right wing nutbag who posts obnoxious videos bashing BLM and transgender people? Seriously?
He was a vet, serving in the Marines during the Vietnam War years. He never said he saw combat. Many Vietnam vets never saw combat. You're quibbling over whether he once failed to say "Vietnam era veteran" as opposed to "Vietnam veteran" when talking about his service? Seriously? Many people don't know the distinction and don't care. And the video conveniently cuts off when he starts to explain why he doesn't talk about Vietnam. Your post is shameful.
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Proud Liberal Dem
(24,416 posts)He's getting the "Turn POC victim into deserving target treatment".
Cha
(297,375 posts)didn't lie about his record.
But the rw media is lying about Nate Sandmann.
SunSeeker
(51,576 posts)That Sandmann family hired professional liar PR assholes to whitewash what their son did while smearing Nathan and falsely portraying him as the aggressor. It's disgusting.
It never ends w the media.
uponit7771
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SunSeeker
(51,576 posts)How is he supposed to correct everything that gets posted or published?
John Fante
(3,479 posts)SunSeeker
(51,576 posts)hardluck
(639 posts)And also states that his discharge papers state that he was "in theater."
The relevant portion starts at 9:40
https://vimeo.com/313219080
He also previously stated that he was "recon ranger."
https://www.vogue.com/projects/13542941/return-to-standing-rock/
This is contradicted by his DD214.
He has also stated that he was spit on and called baby killer "coming back to the U.S." (the quote is not from Mr. Phillips but from the article, so it is unclear exactly what he said).
https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/american-indian-veterans-honored-annually-at-arlington-national-cemetery-tMOxOLqrJU6Ux9hZvXAzYQ/
Now the Washington Post is backtracking again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/01/23/nathan-phillips-man-standoff-with-covington-teens-faces-scrutiny-his-military-past/?utm_term=.c550f477b928
Seems pretty clear to me he has exaggerated his military service.
SunSeeker
(51,576 posts)Interesting that you are posting the same video being pushed by right wingers.
Are you as upset over the outright lies by the boys and their Republican PR firm claiming that the tomahawk chops they were doing was a "school cheer" even though their school mascot is "The Colonel."?
And what is the point of examing his military papers? Do they shed any light on what happened at the Mall? Or does it only serve to smear a vet?
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)My Ex was in the Navy spent the war in Manila, my Navy brother spent the war in Italy. Both are considered Vietnam Vets by DoD.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)of them.
Dunnjen
(65 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,995 posts)In the lives of many Native Americans other, personal battles are fought, lost or won. Phillips has no doubt seen first hand those battles, saw his people degrinated and disrespected, saw the third world country conditions on some reservations, knows that indigenous women go missing and no one seems to care, lost people to drugs and alcohol. Lost people to death and disease. I dont know if potlatch ceremonies is part of Mr. Phillips culture, but the people I used to know had them regularly, to celebrate yet another death
When ones culture is also a lifeline, the drumming and singing, takes on a deeper meaning as does the term a well lived life.
We have failed the narrative on Mr. Phillips.
You know, my son spent 18 months in Iraq. He is half Cowachin and registered with the tribe. Right now hes living in a van, addicted to drugs and alcohol. I wonder what people would say of him, should he pick up the tools of his heritage? You fucked up? You have no value?
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EffieBlack
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ismnotwasm
(41,995 posts)or his attempt to get through two groups?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)And you certainly won't back down.
RobinA
(9,894 posts)everybody in this story needs to get back to their regular jobs as soon as possible. This episode benefits nobody except possibly the right.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Hugin
(33,167 posts)I bet there's something extra in the donation basket this week for each of them.
Wounded Bear
(58,673 posts)I understand the confusion. When I wear my USMC cap, sometimes I get vets come up to me and ask me when I was 'in country.' I always answer honestly. Not a stolen valor type.
Big problem with the Twitter age. Shit gets out there without being vetted.
xmas74
(29,674 posts)but flew a tiny smidge over Vietnam when he was in the Air Force. This is technically enough to classify him as a Vietnam vet. He doesn't view it as such but the DoD does.
kacekwl
(7,017 posts)he didn't have bone spurs.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)Was he ever suspended from school for smoking pot?
Relevant info like this would totally vindicate the KKKovington boys. Get on it, DU!