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Demovictory9

(32,464 posts)
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 06:05 AM Jan 2019

A group representing Nathan Phillips wrongly said he served in Vietnam

In reality, Phillips served from June 1972 to May 1976 in the Marine Corps Reserve, a service spokeswoman, Yvonne Carlock, said Wednesday. He did not deploy, and he left the service as a private after disciplinary issues. From October 1972 to February 1973, he was classified as an antitank missileman, a kind of infantryman, Carlock said. He then became a refrigerator technician for the majority of his service.

Daniel Paul Nelson, a leader in the Lakota People’s Law Project, said in an interview that his group made the error and that Phillips never told the group he served in Vietnam. The group, Nelson said, “trusted what we had seen” in previous stories about Phillips, some of which also referred to him erroneously as a Vietnam veteran.

“We were trying to do the advocacy work that we do,” Nelson said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/01/23/nathan-phillips-man-standoff-with-covington-teens-faces-scrutiny-his-military-past/?utm_term=.0dbd1c8e917d

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Phillips, who turns 64 next month, is not old enough to have deployed to Vietnam as a Marine infantryman, prompting accusations that he was lying about his service.

The military will typically provide basic details about a person’s military service within a day, but the situation with Phillips was complicated because he enlisted under another name associated with a family that raised him, Nelson said. He provided Phillips’s full Social Security number to The Post with Phillips’s permission to help clear up the confusion.

On Tuesday night, Donald Shipley, a Navy SEAL veteran who investigates military service records, published a video in which he showed excerpts of Phillips’s service record.

“This is all going into that Native American guy that everybody keeps labeling as a Vietnam vet, and he is not,” Shipley said in the video. “A lot of these news outlets are using that claim of ‘Vietnam vet’ to kind of beef that story up and make it look even worse.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/01/23/nathan-phillips-man-standoff-with-covington-teens-faces-scrutiny-his-military-past/?utm_term=.0dbd1c8e917d

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A group representing Nathan Phillips wrongly said he served in Vietnam (Original Post) Demovictory9 Jan 2019 OP
Nathan said he was a Marine, a veteran. He never said he was a Vietnam Veteran. SunSeeker Jan 2019 #1
+1000 Pachamama Jan 2019 #2
He told news outlets that he was a "Vietnam-times" or "Vietnam-era" veteran. oberliner Jan 2019 #4
He was. The war ended 4/1/75; Nathan served June 1972 to May 1976 SunSeeker Jan 2019 #5
Exactly oberliner Jan 2019 #7
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #34
Bullshit. We did not pull out all our troops in 1973. 62 soldiers died in 1975. SunSeeker Jan 2019 #38
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #23
That is a extreme right wing source posting a truncated video. SunSeeker Jan 2019 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2019 #28
Right Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2019 #24
The main thing is Nathan Phillips Cha Jan 2019 #3
Exactly. This shit infuriates me. SunSeeker Jan 2019 #6
+1 Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #9
+1, The MAGA KKKult minions taunted a native American ... everything else isn't uponit7771 Jan 2019 #17
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #19
He did correct it in the TV interview I heard after the Mall incident. SunSeeker Jan 2019 #31
This board is a disappointment. I hate to say it. John Fante Jan 2019 #33
Yes, and this thread in particular. nt SunSeeker Jan 2019 #35
He has previously stated he was a Vietnam Vet hardluck Jan 2019 #20
He was a Marine during Vietnam. His papers may indeed say he was in theater. SunSeeker Jan 2019 #30
Everyone who served anywhere during the war is a Vietnam Vet riverwalker Jan 2019 #39
All rightwingers are traitors and not fit to live in this country. I am so fucking sick of all Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #26
He's 64? Hard life... nt Dunnjen Jan 2019 #8
Yes I know ismnotwasm Jan 2019 #10
+1 jalan48 Jan 2019 #29
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #11
Seriously? EffieBlack Jan 2019 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author pintobean Jan 2019 #13
What do you think would be defended? The lie? ismnotwasm Jan 2019 #14
If your own narratives are any indication, then yes-- quite correct. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #16
In My Mind RobinA Jan 2019 #15
Performative overcorrection and false equivalences by the media reveals their economic anxiety (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #18
Boy, that Catholic Diocese funded PR firm is really earning every cent. Hugin Jan 2019 #21
I am also a "Vietnam Era" veteran Marine... Wounded Bear Jan 2019 #22
My dad never stepped foot in country xmas74 Jan 2019 #37
I don't care , at least kacekwl Jan 2019 #27
Has anyone found pictures of Nathan flipping the bird on social media? John Fante Jan 2019 #32
Best post in the thread. nt SunSeeker Jan 2019 #36

SunSeeker

(51,576 posts)
1. Nathan said he was a Marine, a veteran. He never said he was a Vietnam Veteran.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 06:16 AM
Jan 2019

He never lied.

Some people may have been mistaken about where and when he served, but so what? That's not on him.

These attempts to smear Phillips are disgusting.

SunSeeker

(51,576 posts)
5. He was. The war ended 4/1/75; Nathan served June 1972 to May 1976
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 06:31 AM
Jan 2019

So he indeed was a "Vietnam era" vet. He did not lie.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. Exactly
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 07:09 AM
Jan 2019

Some sources erroneous reported that he was a "Vietnam Vet" when what he actually said was that he was a "Vietnam-era Vet" or "Vietnam-times Vet" - CNN even had it wrong in the transcription of their interview with him.

Response to SunSeeker (Reply #5)

SunSeeker

(51,576 posts)
38. Bullshit. We did not pull out all our troops in 1973. 62 soldiers died in 1975.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 04:17 AM
Jan 2019
https://www.archives.gov/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics

What truly marks the end of the Vietnam War was April 1975: In the Fall of Saigon, the capital of South Vietnam is seized by communist forces and the government of South Vietnam surrenders. U.S. Marine and Air Force helicopters transport more than 1,000 American civilians and nearly 7,000 South Vietnamese refugees out of Saigon in an 18-hour mass evacuation effort.https://www.history.com/.amp/topics/vietnam-war/vietnam-war-timeline

Nathan Phillips is not running for office. I doubt he even has a resume; he certainly does not push one. He does not hold himself out as a combat vet, just a Native American elder and marine who served during Vietnam, which is the truth.

What difference does it make whether he saw combat or not? Many vets provide valuable service to our country outside of combat. Why are you so upset that he was not in combat? Are you as upset over the outright lies by the boys and their Republican PR firm claiming that the tomahawk chops they were doing was a "school cheer" even though their school mascot is "The Colonel"? 

And what is the point of examing his military papers? Do they shed any light on what happened at the Mall? Or does it only serve to smear a vet?

Response to SunSeeker (Reply #1)

SunSeeker

(51,576 posts)
25. That is a extreme right wing source posting a truncated video.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 07:23 PM
Jan 2019

Why are you browsing the YouTube page of a right wing nutbag who posts obnoxious videos bashing BLM and transgender people? Seriously?

He was a vet, serving in the Marines during the Vietnam War years. He never said he saw combat. Many Vietnam vets never saw combat. You're quibbling over whether he once failed to say "Vietnam era veteran" as opposed to "Vietnam veteran" when talking about his service? Seriously? Many people don't know the distinction and don't care. And the video conveniently cuts off when he starts to explain why he doesn't talk about Vietnam. Your post is shameful.

Response to SunSeeker (Reply #25)

Cha

(297,375 posts)
3. The main thing is Nathan Phillips
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 06:19 AM
Jan 2019

didn't lie about his record.

But the rw media is lying about Nate Sandmann.

SunSeeker

(51,576 posts)
6. Exactly. This shit infuriates me.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 06:35 AM
Jan 2019

That Sandmann family hired professional liar PR assholes to whitewash what their son did while smearing Nathan and falsely portraying him as the aggressor. It's disgusting.

Response to Cha (Reply #3)

SunSeeker

(51,576 posts)
31. He did correct it in the TV interview I heard after the Mall incident.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 07:41 PM
Jan 2019

How is he supposed to correct everything that gets posted or published?

hardluck

(639 posts)
20. He has previously stated he was a Vietnam Vet
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 02:50 PM
Jan 2019

And also states that his discharge papers state that he was "in theater."

The relevant portion starts at 9:40

https://vimeo.com/313219080


He also previously stated that he was "recon ranger."

https://www.vogue.com/projects/13542941/return-to-standing-rock/

This is contradicted by his DD214.

He has also stated that he was spit on and called baby killer "coming back to the U.S." (the quote is not from Mr. Phillips but from the article, so it is unclear exactly what he said).

https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/american-indian-veterans-honored-annually-at-arlington-national-cemetery-tMOxOLqrJU6Ux9hZvXAzYQ/


Now the Washington Post is backtracking again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/01/23/nathan-phillips-man-standoff-with-covington-teens-faces-scrutiny-his-military-past/?utm_term=.c550f477b928

Seems pretty clear to me he has exaggerated his military service.


SunSeeker

(51,576 posts)
30. He was a Marine during Vietnam. His papers may indeed say he was in theater.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 07:33 PM
Jan 2019

Interesting that you are posting the same video being pushed by right wingers.

Are you as upset over the outright lies by the boys and their Republican PR firm claiming that the tomahawk chops they were doing was a "school cheer" even though their school mascot is "The Colonel."?

And what is the point of examing his military papers? Do they shed any light on what happened at the Mall? Or does it only serve to smear a vet?

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
39. Everyone who served anywhere during the war is a Vietnam Vet
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 02:29 PM
Jan 2019

My Ex was in the Navy spent the war in Manila, my Navy brother spent the war in Italy. Both are considered Vietnam Vets by DoD.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
26. All rightwingers are traitors and not fit to live in this country. I am so fucking sick of all
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 07:26 PM
Jan 2019

of them.

ismnotwasm

(41,995 posts)
10. Yes I know
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 09:51 AM
Jan 2019

In the lives of many Native Americans other, personal battles are fought, lost or won. Phillips has no doubt seen first hand those battles, saw his people degrinated and disrespected, saw the third world country conditions on some reservations, knows that indigenous women go missing and no one seems to care, lost people to drugs and alcohol. Lost people to death and disease. I don’t know if potlatch ceremonies is part of Mr. Phillips culture, but the people I used to know had them regularly, to celebrate yet another death

When ones culture is also a lifeline, the drumming and singing, takes on a deeper meaning as does the term a well lived life.

We have failed the narrative on Mr. Phillips.

You know, my son spent 18 months in Iraq. He is half Cowachin and registered with the tribe. Right now he’s living in a van, addicted to drugs and alcohol. I wonder what people would say of him, should he pick up the tools of his heritage? You fucked up? You have no value?

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. If your own narratives are any indication, then yes-- quite correct.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 10:20 AM
Jan 2019

And you certainly won't back down.

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
15. In My Mind
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 10:19 AM
Jan 2019

everybody in this story needs to get back to their regular jobs as soon as possible. This episode benefits nobody except possibly the right.

Hugin

(33,167 posts)
21. Boy, that Catholic Diocese funded PR firm is really earning every cent.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 02:53 PM
Jan 2019

I bet there's something extra in the donation basket this week for each of them.


Wounded Bear

(58,673 posts)
22. I am also a "Vietnam Era" veteran Marine...
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 02:53 PM
Jan 2019

I understand the confusion. When I wear my USMC cap, sometimes I get vets come up to me and ask me when I was 'in country.' I always answer honestly. Not a stolen valor type.

Big problem with the Twitter age. Shit gets out there without being vetted.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
37. My dad never stepped foot in country
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 04:08 AM
Jan 2019

but flew a tiny smidge over Vietnam when he was in the Air Force. This is technically enough to classify him as a Vietnam vet. He doesn't view it as such but the DoD does.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
32. Has anyone found pictures of Nathan flipping the bird on social media?
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 07:54 PM
Jan 2019

Was he ever suspended from school for smoking pot?

Relevant info like this would totally vindicate the KKKovington boys. Get on it, DU!

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