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global1

(25,253 posts)
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 12:12 PM Jan 2019

Does Trump Realize The Longer He Extends The Shutdown That The SOTU......

is only going to get worse?

He conceded to forego the SOTU Address until after the shutdown is over. I now hear that he is prepared to take this shutdown to March and maybe even April.

The longer this shutdown extends - the worse the SOTU will be.
By the time he would deliver the SOTU Address - this government under his administration will be in shambles. He won't have any good numbers or accomplishments to tout.

He really needs to cut his losses now.

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FSogol

(45,493 posts)
2. He loves his rallies, but hates having to follow his teleprompted scripts. He gets petulant & pouts.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 12:19 PM
Jan 2019

He didn't want to give the SOTU, so not being allowed to give it is probably a win win for him. More time for twitter.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
3. He views the SOTU as another campaign rally
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 12:19 PM
Jan 2019

A captive audience with the greatest backdrop he can imagine and no reporters shouting questions.

What a deluded, deranged clown. He must be Poundfoolish, Pennywise's idiot twin.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,416 posts)
4. It's mindblowing
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 12:20 PM
Jan 2019

that he wants it to go until March or April! Is he serious? Are Republicans seriously thinking about going there with him? Federal employees are already straining and other things are starting to be affected. Federal Courts run out of money tomorrow. I know that Republicans could care less about some of these people but they seriously can't withstand the increasing political pressures of a partially shut down government for months and months on end. This all is uncharted- and frightening- territory to be in.

Girard442

(6,081 posts)
7. Every week the shutdown persists, we push farther and faster into that uncharted territory.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 12:28 PM
Jan 2019

At some point, even Pollyanna would start making references to 1930's Europe.

lastlib

(23,251 posts)
9. He doesn't care who he hurts--only whether or not he wins,,,
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 12:38 PM
Jan 2019

or thinks he wins. I honestly think he believes that the more people that suffer, and the greater their suffering, the more power he gains....and maybe the more likely he is to make a dictatorial power grab. It's the classic move of tyrants throughout history.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,416 posts)
10. At some point though the center ain't going to hold
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 12:43 PM
Jan 2019

What will be the tipping point be for Republicans? For the average person?

delisen

(6,044 posts)
5. I think he just intends to lie and attack opponents at a State of the Union speech
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 12:20 PM
Jan 2019

so facts do not matter to him.

He thinks he will never be convicted even if impeached and if investigations get closer to him him can always pardon those who might testify against him.

In the meantime he can do a lot of damage, maybe get payoffs later from oligarchs and businesses, and eventually maybe even get a good deal to leave office (no person time, fortune intact, presidential pension and perks of presidential retirement.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
11. Exactly!
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 12:47 PM
Jan 2019

That's all he ever does, facts meaning nothing to him, and if things are worse, he will just make things up that "sound" good!

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
6. The longer this goes on,
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 12:25 PM
Jan 2019

The more Republicans including him, will lose their election in 2020 , and lose control of the Senate and the Presidency, and lose a lot more in the House. They just thought the Mid terms was bad for them. Republicans are really looking stupid backing trump any longer, and some should switch to the Democrats party to turn over and take control now away from Mitch McConnell in the Senate, or this will only worsen for them.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
13. The true shock to me is how little people impacted are protesting
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 01:16 PM
Jan 2019

And how little is done to undercut Trump in general

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,354 posts)
14. The state of the Union can descend into chaos, and that would please Bannon, Miller, Mulvaney.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 01:21 PM
Jan 2019

Trump, Coulter, and Limbaugh would just blame Obama and Clinton.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
15. The reason he decided to wait until after the shutdown to give his speech
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 01:27 PM
Jan 2019

instead of having it in the oval office is he planes on lying in his speech to make himself out to be some kind of hero after the shutdown ends regardless of what happens.

Johnny2X2X

(19,074 posts)
16. He's a moron
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 01:36 PM
Jan 2019

He doesn't understand anything about negotiations, you have to have a path forward that both sides will accept, he's not even close to that.

It's Trump and Mitch McConnel against the world on this, eventually the pressure from Republicans will cause Mitch to cave.

essaynnc

(801 posts)
17. So what's his real reason ???
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 02:04 PM
Jan 2019

I've heard stories of slowing down the investigation, etc., etc., but I'm not sure that's it. Perhaps just another strategy to permanently weaken the working of the U.S. government for his real boss?

What other crap is he attempting to pull off right now since he has very little oversight? Unfortunately, we may never know until it's too late!

CharleyDog

(758 posts)
18. The Shock Doctrine may help explain what is going on.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 02:11 PM
Jan 2019

This policy was used by Thatcher and Reagan. Shows why we have gone downhill since 1980.

Thank you to the DU member who directed me to this video.

https://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/the-shock-doctrine-2009/

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