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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,071 posts)
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 04:20 PM Jan 2019

PG&E says it might have to quintuple its utility rates

California utility company PG&E Corp. said in a court filing Wednesday that it can't afford a federal judge's order to inspect its energy grid and clear trees that could fall into its power lines, work it estimates would cost between $75 billion and $150 billion.

The company told the U.S. District Court in San Francisco that the judge's so-called "vegetation management" plan would force it to dramatically increase the rates it charges customers to employ more than 650,000 full-time employees.

"PG&E would inevitably need to turn to California ratepayers for funding, resulting in a substantial increase — an estimated one-year increase of more than five times current rates in typical utility bills," it said in the filing.

The work was proposed in a Jan. 9 order by U.S. District Judge William Alsup.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/pgande-says-it-might-have-to-quintuple-its-utility-rates/ar-BBSFYXK?li=BBnbfcN

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PG&E says it might have to quintuple its utility rates (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2019 OP
Well that was predictable. redstatebluegirl Jan 2019 #1
So I wouldn't have to pay extra to put lines under ground. Cheap PG&E has the money but won't spend wasupaloopa Jan 2019 #3
I worked with a civil engineering professor who said it was cost effective, redstatebluegirl Jan 2019 #6
Maybe cost effective for distribution lines, dumbcat Jan 2019 #7
They did that with nuclear plants. We won't get a rebate here when Diablo Canyon is closed. wasupaloopa Jan 2019 #9
Well, sure wryter2000 Jan 2019 #2
They selfish of you... lame54 Jan 2019 #5
Oh great... PG&E is pretty much a monopoly here in CA, right? sakabatou Jan 2019 #4
They are a regulated investor owned utility dumbcat Jan 2019 #8

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
1. Well that was predictable.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 04:23 PM
Jan 2019

Every time we have a serious ice storm or tornado that takes down power lines our rates go up. They are to cheap to put them underground where they belong.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
3. So I wouldn't have to pay extra to put lines under ground. Cheap PG&E has the money but won't spend
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 04:42 PM
Jan 2019

it?

Each building gets a trench? I guess and that will link to a bigger trench then bigger until the whole grid is underground?

Will those trenches cause any inconvenience to anyone, traffic patterns?

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
6. I worked with a civil engineering professor who said it was cost effective,
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:08 PM
Jan 2019

they just would not see it "immediately" which is what they want. Utilities should be a public thing not a private one.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
7. Maybe cost effective for distribution lines,
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:45 PM
Jan 2019

the ones that go from substations out to facilities and individual customers. But it's not so easy (or cost effective) for the high voltage (385kV and up) Transmission lines that one sees going through the countryside on those big towers. There are problems with physics in trying to put them in the ground in a cost effective (affordable) manner. (Corona effects and induced currents in ground.)

High Voltage Direct Current (HVDC) transmission lines can handle underground installation a bit better, but they have their own problems and are not so common.

Here's a pretty good layman's level article on the issue with the distribution lines:

https://www.popsci.com/why-dont-we-put-power-lines-underground

Here's a little more professional summary:

https://www.nationalgrid.com/sites/default/files/documents/45349-Undergrounding_high_voltage_electricity_transmission_lines_The_technical_issues_INT.pdf

There are lots of others out there if you are really interested.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
8. They are a regulated investor owned utility
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:51 PM
Jan 2019

regulated by the California Public Utilities Commission. It serves the northern part of California. PG&E is one of four regulated, investor-owned utilities (IOU)s in California; the other three are PacifiCorp's Pacific Power, Southern California Edison and Sempra Energy's San Diego Gas & Electric.

I guess I would call it a monopoly, but it's rates are controlled by the PUC.

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