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He will NEVER EVER re-open the govt...NEVER. (Original Post) SummerSnow Jan 2019 OP
Well then if have to hold the line until he is no longer President standingtall Jan 2019 #1
He might not but congress will. walkingman Jan 2019 #2
I totally agree, this is what he, Bannon and the others have always wanted. redstatebluegirl Jan 2019 #3
Trump may not care Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2019 #4
Trump is using this as a way to stop Team Mueller. Wellstone ruled Jan 2019 #5
Totally agree DonaldsRump Jan 2019 #11
I have thought this from the get go. Wellstone ruled Jan 2019 #13
Agreed. DonaldsRump Jan 2019 #14
He's loving it... lame54 Jan 2019 #6
That makes it so much easier to Article 25 him FakeNoose Jan 2019 #7
Nah, his narcissistic ass will back down. brush Jan 2019 #8
He will open the parts to the government that serve Corp. and the 1% while starving the rest. CincyDem Jan 2019 #9
He backed down on the State of the Union address gratuitous Jan 2019 #10
So it is time to override the SOB in the House and Senate. democratisphere Jan 2019 #12
yep, he doesn't even care as much about border wall AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #15
Government shutdown - no elections? Runningdawg Jan 2019 #16

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
3. I totally agree, this is what he, Bannon and the others have always wanted.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:08 PM
Jan 2019

This is the Koch Brothers wet dream.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,416 posts)
4. Trump may not care
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:09 PM
Jan 2019

but odds are that Congress will eventually have to end it themselves- once the Republicans (or their donors) are worried enough about their own political futures.

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
11. Totally agree
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:15 PM
Jan 2019

This no longer makes sense (assuming it ever made sense): that he's doing it to appease his base. From what I gather, his poll numbers are slipping, and Speaker Pelosi easily out-manouevered him on the SOTU, and he looks like more of a chump than he already is.

Why else would he be doing it except to slow down the investigation? This criminal is openly intimidating witnesses, so he apparently is pulling out all the stops to slow the investigation down.

He doesn't care about this country or its people...he only cares about his bloated, amoral, narcissistic, juvenile, imbecilic large butt. IF a shutdown buys him time to cover up or slow down the investigation, it doesn't matter one iota to him about the damage he wreaks on this country and its people.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
13. I have thought this from the get go.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:22 PM
Jan 2019

Nance warned of this in December. Punishment to the FBI for investigating him and his family. BTW,this is being behind the scenes by Putin. Destroy any and all Independent sources of checks and balances.

Trump is now playing all in game here,and he could give a rats ass about those whom he hurts. Talked to someone in TSA today.chatter is,they are now preparing for another two months or more. Twenty dollar fuel cards were issued by their Union couple of weeks ago.

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
14. Agreed.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:27 PM
Jan 2019

Putin benefits greatly from this as does Trump. Both criminals get to cover up, and Putin gets the added "fun" of watching us discombobulating (while the EU is doing the exact same with Brexit and Eastern Europe). This is EXACTLY what Putin wants: a weak US and a weak EU, and he can then MRGA (Make Russia Great Again) as Czar Vlad.

A month ago, I wouldn't have "thunk" it, but now there is no other reason that makes sense.

This also slows things down for investigating the Repubs who got NRA/Russian cash, so they're in no hurry either.

Something about Occam's Razor comes to mind.

brush

(53,794 posts)
8. Nah, his narcissistic ass will back down.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:14 PM
Jan 2019

Just as he did to the Speaker last night on the SOTU.

That's the first chink in his armor. He knows he has to yield, that signals he's searching frantically to get out of this mess he created without it looking like he caved.

What will probably happen is he will get word to McConnell to allow a clean CR to get to the Senate floor and voted on to open the government and then negotiate.

Repugs are losing ground and being blamed. They can't sustain it much longer.

CincyDem

(6,365 posts)
9. He will open the parts to the government that serve Corp. and the 1% while starving the rest.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:15 PM
Jan 2019


Underneath all this is the most massive financial restructuring of the federal government we've seen in a generation. Through his selective closings, Trump is drowning the parts of government that serve the common good while continuing to fund (likely illegally) those parts that serve the top - like getting conservative judges appointed and issuing Alaska oil drilling rights during the shutdown. 'Splain to me how those have anything to do with protecting life, safety or health.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
10. He backed down on the State of the Union address
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:15 PM
Jan 2019

He'll back down on his shutdown. The overriding question that I hope the media ask and keep asking when the Trump Shutdown is over is why did it drag on so long, when the terms of the settlement could have been achieved weeks prior.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
12. So it is time to override the SOB in the House and Senate.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:15 PM
Jan 2019

The backlash from "We the People" on Congress is coming soon. Congressional Representatives and Senators will be losing their jobs if they continue to back drumpf on the shutdown.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
15. yep, he doesn't even care as much about border wall
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:31 PM
Jan 2019

as for the opportunity to shutdown the gov’t indefinatey because this is what putin expected of him. We may be facing shutdown all the way till 2021 when dem senate and dem president will finally end it. Of course, by then most fed employees would have been long gone.

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