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Ok friends how about Manchin from W. Virginia ? (Original Post) tiredtoo Jan 2019 OP
He voted YES on both bills. elleng Jan 2019 #1
Thanks. If I'm reading him right, Qutzupalotl Jan 2019 #2
I think so, doing what he can. elleng Jan 2019 #7
It is a thousand times better than having a Republican in that seat genxlib Jan 2019 #3
Plus wryter2000 Jan 2019 #5
You have to understand West Virginia underpants Jan 2019 #4
He is one more seat to the majority that gets us control of the committees, thus Squinch Jan 2019 #6
He's 1 senator towards a Dem majority maxsolomon Jan 2019 #8
Thanks for clearing this up for me. EOM tiredtoo Jan 2019 #9
He should ask his coal miners about how easy it is to dig under a wall. Fraud, waste and abuse. Marcuse Jan 2019 #10
He votes with us about 2/3 of the time, which is much better than the 15% of the typical GOP, pnwmom Jan 2019 #11
The (D) by his name means a lot FrankBooth Jan 2019 #12
Wtf here go the dems again ... Fullduplexxx Jan 2019 #13
No purity test for me tiredtoo Jan 2019 #14
Manchin is like a necessary evil he caucuses with the dems Fullduplexxx Jan 2019 #15
Best we can get from W. Virginia. GulfCoast66 Jan 2019 #16
Wouldn't that be nice? I'd love it! But, no doubt there would be the usual chorus of complaints. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #19
Hell, I might well be a complainer! GulfCoast66 Jan 2019 #21
I hear ya! But there's a big difference between grumbling about his flaws... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #22
Yep, but I must say... GulfCoast66 Jan 2019 #24
Realistic not Idealist. Win win win. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #17
I LOVE JOE MANCHIN!! HE'S THE BEST... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Jan 2019 #20
The less said about him the better EffieBlack Jan 2019 #23
His state is trying to pass legislation to give millions for the wall. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #25
I just kind of ignore him. It's better to have a Senator who votes with POtuS 2/3 of the time than catbyte Jan 2019 #26
I was disappointed vlyons Jan 2019 #27
Squinch, Nurse, Gulf......... MyOwnPeace Jan 2019 #28
Dems are able to get a majority in the senate when there are more D's than R's in the 50 seats Pobeka Jan 2019 #29

Qutzupalotl

(14,319 posts)
2. Thanks. If I'm reading him right,
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:40 PM
Jan 2019

he just wants the government open, regardless of the wall. That’s understandable.

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
3. It is a thousand times better than having a Republican in that seat
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:41 PM
Jan 2019

We either deal with marginal Democrats in Red states or get stuck with terrible Republicans.

There really is no other option. Anyone who wants a progressive Dem to run there is not paying attention to the electorate and is doomed to failure.

underpants

(182,843 posts)
4. You have to understand West Virginia
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:42 PM
Jan 2019

Almost everyone calls themselves Democrats but they are all really Republicans. For the most part.

The fact that he’s holding on to that Senate as a Democrat is pretty astounding

Squinch

(50,957 posts)
6. He is one more seat to the majority that gets us control of the committees, thus
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:45 PM
Jan 2019

control of what legislation comes up for a vote.

Notice how none of the corruption of this administration was actually honestly investigated between 2016 and 2018? That's because we had no committees. Notice how no legislation we wanted came up for votes, and all the legislation that is abhorrent to us did come up for votes between 2016 and 2018? That's because we didn't have the committees.

Manchin is a Democrat in a state that has staunch republican 'values.' He will seldom vote with us. But as long as there is a D next to his name, he helps us get control of the committees.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
11. He votes with us about 2/3 of the time, which is much better than the 15% of the typical GOP,
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 06:05 PM
Jan 2019

but, most important, his presence as a Democrat puts us that much closer to the majority -- and to Senate leadership, with control over all the committees.

And all that despite the fact that he comes from the state that gave Trump a greater percentage lead than any other state in the country.

FrankBooth

(1,604 posts)
12. The (D) by his name means a lot
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 06:10 PM
Jan 2019

He's from one of the Trumpiest states in the country.

No, I don't particularly like him but the *D by his name could mean a ton in 2020. He's not going anywhere for 6 more years -- better he remain a Dem, even if he's the most conservative Dem in the Senate, than switch over to the darkside and make it that much harder for Dems to become the majority and stop the judicial gerrymandering that's going on now.

Fullduplexxx

(7,866 posts)
15. Manchin is like a necessary evil he caucuses with the dems
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 08:39 PM
Jan 2019

That helps gives dems the majority . With the majority dems get to run the committees . Having the majority dems get to decide which bills get to the floor for voting or more importantly which bills do not . Manchin helps us with that and the people of w.v. are better off with him there.

I recognize the frustration of watching some of his votes but it is better for us and w.v. that he is there and not a con.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
16. Best we can get from W. Virginia.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 08:45 PM
Jan 2019

I wish we had ones like him from Georgia, Louisiana, Arkansas and Mississippi.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
21. Hell, I might well be a complainer!
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 09:02 PM
Jan 2019

But not about having Majority Leader Schumer!

I’m from a place like W. Virginia. We are lucky to have him for another 6 years. Protects the flanks in 2020.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
22. I hear ya! But there's a big difference between grumbling about his flaws...
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 09:04 PM
Jan 2019

... and actively working to destroy the man as some sort of "punishment" for not being a New England style Democrat.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
24. Yep, but I must say...
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 09:09 PM
Jan 2019

As we have all witnessed the power dynamics or the house and senate I do see less scorched earth post on DU. There are still there, but in my mind at least it is better. I think the Doug Jones raced helped a lot. Now these is a seat we may not keep in 2020.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
18. I LOVE JOE MANCHIN!! HE'S THE BEST...
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 08:50 PM
Jan 2019

... that we can hope to have the residents of West Virginia vote for. I'll take him! I love him!

Response to tiredtoo (Original post)

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
25. His state is trying to pass legislation to give millions for the wall.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 09:12 PM
Jan 2019

Over sixty percent in his state want the wall. They went +40 for Trump. Man chin voted yes on both bills.

He voted yes on the ACA.

The only Democratic Senator I recall sticking up for Franken.

He brings us one step closer to gaining control.

catbyte

(34,412 posts)
26. I just kind of ignore him. It's better to have a Senator who votes with POtuS 2/3 of the time than
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 09:18 PM
Jan 2019

one who votes with him 100% of the time. It's West Virginia, after all.

MyOwnPeace

(16,929 posts)
28. Squinch, Nurse, Gulf.........
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 09:30 PM
Jan 2019

great points well stated.
We need a big tent to gather all of those that will help get control of the Senate and hopefully the White House - then we truly can begin the healing - and lord knows we're gonna' need it!

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
29. Dems are able to get a majority in the senate when there are more D's than R's in the 50 seats
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 09:37 PM
Jan 2019

There is immense value in that regardless how Manchin votes.

So yes, I'll take Manchin a million times over the best "R" who could replace him in W. VA

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