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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,219 posts)
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 11:18 AM Jan 2019

When you're celebrating the Stone indictment tonight, don't forget to toast Senator Al Franken.

The bottom line:

Roger Stone publicly wanted Jeff Sessions to conduct a whitewash "investigation" of the Trussia matter.

Then Senator Franken grills Sessions in committee and reveals all his conflicts.

Sessions has no choice but to recuse himself.

Shortly thereafter, Robert Mueller is appointed special counsel. There will be no whitewash.

Stone obviously was pissed at Franken for screwing things up for him.

He cryptically tweets about Franken's "time in the barrel."

Shortly afterwards, allegations of "sexual harassment" against Franken--centering on a decades old joke photograph and a few other vague accusations arise

Franken ultimately resigns his seat due to political pressure in good part due to accusations coinciding with the ongoing Roy Moore-Doug Jones senate race.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/15/roger-stone-trump-investigation-russia-intelligence



Stone has called on the White House to order an immediate investigation through the Department of Justice over alleged improper links between members of the Trump inner circle and the Kremlin during the course of the 2016 presidential campaign. His request adds to a mounting chorus of demands from senior congressional members and outside advocacy groups for an official inquiry into the affair.

In an interview with the Guardian, Stone appealed to Trump, whom he has been close to for almost 40 years, to convene an inquiry through Jeff Sessions, the newly appointed US attorney general. “The president should tell his attorney general that either he finds proof of this, or he puts it to bed and announces none of it happened.”




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When you're celebrating the Stone indictment tonight, don't forget to toast Senator Al Franken. (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2019 OP
Never forget dalton99a Jan 2019 #1
Understand Stone had this is the Can so to speak Wellstone ruled Jan 2019 #40
Thanks. NT enough Jan 2019 #51
I won't forget, Al was my first thought. I will always believe Stone created the accusations Autumn Jan 2019 #2
It's already been shown that Stone befriended Tweeden DemocracyMouse Jan 2019 #46
I wish that they had paid attention to this before they called for him to resign. We knew it, Autumn Jan 2019 #47
Exactly, they cynically used MeToo radius777 Jan 2019 #54
Perhaps Frankens quickly reach resignation was done to take wind out of Stone, et al.'s sails. It's mulsh Jan 2019 #3
Franken is the kind of smart and decent person BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2019 #57
It's just one more reason to HATE Roger Stone FakeNoose Jan 2019 #4
And maybe not hate the Senators who aided the Franken Railroad... LakeArenal Jan 2019 #7
No one forced them to shovel coal aka-chmeee Jan 2019 #11
Indeed they did!!! Wooo-ooooo chug chug chug. LakeArenal Jan 2019 #12
Perfect! MyOwnPeace Jan 2019 #18
"Ve Vass Only Following Ze Orders!" BamaRefugee Jan 2019 #32
I don't hate any of them. I DO consider their terrible judgment. DFW Jan 2019 #17
Agreed. klook Jan 2019 #31
Love you Al. Come back! zentrum Jan 2019 #5
I told my husband after I heard it, that Al Franken's smiling at that news. Texin Jan 2019 #6
A decent man, Al Franken marieo1 Jan 2019 #8
He was my first thought. geardaddy Jan 2019 #9
Al Franken Is A National Treasure FrankTC Jan 2019 #10
LOVE Al Franken Kitchari Jan 2019 #13
I wasn't going to be the one to bring this up DFW Jan 2019 #14
And remember this when it is time to vote in the primaries question everything Jan 2019 #15
Interesting that you blame only these 3 women karynnj Jan 2019 #22
As of today, they are the candidates. question everything Jan 2019 #25
As did Brown Schumer Sanders LakeArenal Jan 2019 #26
None is a candidate, yet question everything Jan 2019 #48
Brown is a candidate and no way am I endorsing Sanders who says he's running... LakeArenal Jan 2019 #52
So did BS. Cha Jan 2019 #50
"They were wrong too" wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #58
Bernie Sanders and other men called for him to resign alsoi JI7 Jan 2019 #37
Not BS.. Cha Jan 2019 #49
Franken Tip of the Spear WheelWalker Jan 2019 #16
Thank you, Senator Franken catrose Jan 2019 #19
I like Franken, but he was NOT the only Senator to ask questions leading to that karynnj Jan 2019 #20
Don't defy the narrative of the cult. Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #55
KnR Hekate Jan 2019 #21
Al got STONED... Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #23
I Miss Franken in the Senate - Think of All the Good He Could Have Continued to Do dlk Jan 2019 #24
Such as? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #56
I never comment on Franklins resignation ismnotwasm Jan 2019 #27
Senators work in a collaborative way. Not alone. When Schumer told him to resign... Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #36
You are right. murielm99 Jan 2019 #42
Franken. Al Franken. LakeArenal Jan 2019 #53
KNR Lucinda Jan 2019 #28
Al Franken for president! I want him to run. Franken/Beto. McCamy Taylor Jan 2019 #29
Unfortunately, it will take more than a few blogposts to convince Al to come back DFW Jan 2019 #38
Franken for President! ffr Jan 2019 #30
Good reminder, Carcetti! (It was a big loss, when they booted Franken out.) Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #33
And never forget that Stone was one of (if not THE) top manipulators. DFW Jan 2019 #39
SHOUT OUT to Al Franken! BamaRefugee Jan 2019 #34
Love this song. Thanks for posting HelenWheels Jan 2019 #45
thank you, Sen. Franken. niyad Jan 2019 #35
Clink ananda Jan 2019 #41
Thank you, Senator Franken cp Jan 2019 #43
Thank you patriot Al Franken. I miss your voice and intellect every day. mahina Jan 2019 #44
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
40. Understand Stone had this is the Can so to speak
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 02:26 PM
Jan 2019

since 2006. Never forget,ABC Radio Station in LA was a willing agent in this.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
2. I won't forget, Al was my first thought. I will always believe Stone created the accusations
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 11:25 AM
Jan 2019

against him.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
46. It's already been shown that Stone befriended Tweeden
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 08:19 PM
Jan 2019
STONE was a friend of Tweeden.
STONE plays media spin games.
STONE saw the funny pix and videos of Tweeden and Franken (while Franken was a comedian).
STONE, via Tweeden, spun a Vaudevillian groping photo as “real shit, man!” rather than the improv satire it obviously was. (Satire and Vaudeville are lighthearted forms of CRITIQUE people!).
STONE did not encourage Tweeden to come forward with videos showing Tweeden’s own satirical slapping of a bass player‘s ass, and her grabbing another musician (satirically) with her legs.
STONE KNEW a poorly educated America doesn’t know WTF satire is.
STONE counted on the media doing a shitty job of sharing those Tweeden videos.

Tweeden’s own antics were published here in DU, but no one seems to care what DU says. Could it be because we over-indulge Trump World and pretty much ignore everything else (like global warming and the serious policy news about the Green New Deal that came out last week?).

Stone appeared to know Franken allegation was coming
The Hill: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/360726-stone-appeared-to-know-franken-allegation-was-coming
Former Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone appeared to know there were sexual misconduct allegations involving Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) hours before they became public.

Stone has been banned from Twitter, but at 1 a.m. on Thursday morning an account connected to him tweeted a quote from the Republican political operative.

"Roger Stone says it's Al Franken's 'time in the barrel'. Franken next in long list of Democrats to be accused of 'grabby' behavior," read the tweet from Enter the Stone Zone
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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
47. I wish that they had paid attention to this before they called for him to resign. We knew it,
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 08:21 PM
Jan 2019

they should have too.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
54. Exactly, they cynically used MeToo
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 02:14 AM
Jan 2019

to their advantage, and unfortunately, some on our side took the bait.

Al Franken was one of our most effective voices, who was never afraid to ask to the tough questions, with a comedian's wit, going back to the Bush days (before he was senator) when he wrote all those books.

Stone and Tweeden (Hannity buddy) should be investigated for concocting the entire hit on Franken.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
3. Perhaps Frankens quickly reach resignation was done to take wind out of Stone, et al.'s sails. It's
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 11:35 AM
Jan 2019

a notion that crossed my mind more than once when it was happening. Clearly there must have been something we don't know about that hastened his resignation. Stopping the dirty tricks quickly certainly fits that scenario.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
57. Franken is the kind of smart and decent person
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 09:33 AM
Jan 2019

Who would be able to see it for what it was and sacrifice himself to stop the circus.

FakeNoose

(32,833 posts)
4. It's just one more reason to HATE Roger Stone
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 11:40 AM
Jan 2019

... as if we needed any more! This couldn't happen to a more deserving fella.



LakeArenal

(28,863 posts)
7. And maybe not hate the Senators who aided the Franken Railroad...
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 11:53 AM
Jan 2019

But consider the terrible judgement of Senators involved, at the least, to political opportunists eyeing 2020 at the height.

aka-chmeee

(1,132 posts)
11. No one forced them to shovel coal
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 12:09 PM
Jan 2019

but they sure seemed to enjoy being up there in the locomotive's cab.

DFW

(54,451 posts)
17. I don't hate any of them. I DO consider their terrible judgment.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 12:18 PM
Jan 2019

Last edited Fri Jan 25, 2019, 02:02 PM - Edit history (1)

And that influences my opinion of their qualifications to be president. Every one of them. I'll support our nominee of course, but I will wait until the primaries are over if one of his Senate detractors appears to have the nomination in the bag.

klook

(12,171 posts)
31. Agreed.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 01:43 PM
Jan 2019

I will support the Democratic nominee, but I can’t overlook the railroading of Senator Franken. He’s one of our best.

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
8. A decent man, Al Franken
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 12:02 PM
Jan 2019

Go, Al Franken, we in Minnesota love you. I hope you come back and fight for us!!!

FrankTC

(210 posts)
10. Al Franken Is A National Treasure
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 12:07 PM
Jan 2019

He brought to the Senate a unique blend of devotion, insight, intelligence, wit, and effectiveness. We have other great Senators (Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren) who tower above the turdscape of the Republican majority, but Franken is in a class of his own. I hope he remains in public service.

karynnj

(59,507 posts)
22. Interesting that you blame only these 3 women
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 12:32 PM
Jan 2019

Cory Booker also demanded Franken step down.

I think we should not use that as a litmus test.

LakeArenal

(28,863 posts)
26. As did Brown Schumer Sanders
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 12:56 PM
Jan 2019

All too political savy to fall for Repuke bait.
So political opportunism must be the case.

Tho I will say Booker and Baldwin my personal biggest disappointments.

question everything

(47,549 posts)
48. None is a candidate, yet
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 09:10 PM
Jan 2019

And Sanders is not even a Democrat. I don't know why many here still adore him and are constantly disappointed by him.

karynnj

(59,507 posts)
20. I like Franken, but he was NOT the only Senator to ask questions leading to that
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 12:25 PM
Jan 2019

recusal. Senator Leahy in one of his written questions asked the question even more precisely than Franken did. As his was written - and the response written - it never got the cable media coverage of the video of Franken asking his question.

Many Democrats raised questions on how his campaign work impacted his impartiality. ALL of them - even if they did not speak of recusal - created the basis for him doing so. The problem for Sessions was NOT an answer to Franken, but the truth of his situation. Sessions agreed with ethics experts that he had to recuse himself. Not doing so could have led to extreme legal problems himself - especially as Trump's comments showed he expected Sessions to shut things down.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
56. Such as?
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 02:59 AM
Jan 2019

Not likely he could have gotten any legislation passed in a republican controlled Senate with a republican president.

ismnotwasm

(42,021 posts)
27. I never comment on Franklins resignation
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 01:02 PM
Jan 2019

Because it always seemed strange to me. I understand he was under intense pressure. But I thought at the time there’s only two things that make sense, one, there are even more women out there to accuse him, or two, he deliberately took himself out of the line of fire and accusation and focused attention because he knew how bad things were probably going to get. In other words he sacrificed himself.

As time went on I began leaning toward the second possibility more and more. Franklin could have rode it out, or rode it out longer, but he took himself out of play. He knew.

I believe he will make a political comeback

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
36. Senators work in a collaborative way. Not alone. When Schumer told him to resign...
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 02:11 PM
Jan 2019

he no longer had the confidence of the Senate Democratic leader, which meant he had no choice but to resign, if he wanted his state represented.

He was forced out by people who had their eye on running for the Presidency, when the public started calling for Franken to run. The Republicans arranged for the first, and biggest, allegation by an active Republican, announcing the matter on Fox.

That's how it happened that one of the most effective and honorable Senators was forced out. He could have insisted on staying, interfering with the Senate process, and leaving his state w/o decent representation (he would have been kicked off his committees, and he would have not been able to collaborate or discuss issues or bills with other Senators). So he had to leave.

He will not make a national political comeback. His national political career was killed. He still has a state political career, if he wants, IMO. Governor or whatever.

murielm99

(30,778 posts)
42. You are right.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 04:19 PM
Jan 2019

But I am not sure you go far enough.

When anyone loses the confidence of their coalition, it is best to resign. Fair or not, that is what happened to Franken. It can happen at any level: county, state, federal.

This was a big win for the repiggies.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
29. Al Franken for president! I want him to run. Franken/Beto.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 01:32 PM
Jan 2019

An all "white boy" ticket that will prove that white boys can be progressive, too.

DFW

(54,451 posts)
38. Unfortunately, it will take more than a few blogposts to convince Al to come back
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 02:19 PM
Jan 2019

He was pretty disgusted with the way it all went down, and does not look forward to working with former colleagues that treated him like they did. I know he would be welcomed on the national scene, and plenty of Minnesotans would love to see their most eloquent voice raised again. But there is some serious bitterness to overcome, and it has only been a year. I do not blame him one bit. Who is to say they wouldn't do it again if it became expedient in their eyes? There are many of lesser character loudly tooting their own horns on the platform he left them. The fact that I strongly support many of their positions does not "make it alright," and it is not enough for me to make me support them in the primaries. The Republicans will nominate someone thoroughly disgusting, whether it is Trump or someone else, so I will be behind our nominee 100%. I just would prefer it be someone I can support without reservation, although during the election campaign, I will of course have no reservations.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
33. Good reminder, Carcetti! (It was a big loss, when they booted Franken out.)
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 02:05 PM
Jan 2019

It was what the Republicans had manipulated. Mission accomplished. IMO.

DFW

(54,451 posts)
39. And never forget that Stone was one of (if not THE) top manipulators.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 02:22 PM
Jan 2019

Al was felled by a direct hit from an experimental weapon.

I doubt even the Republicans expected it to have the success it did.

cp

(6,673 posts)
43. Thank you, Senator Franken
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 04:28 PM
Jan 2019

To your health! And to your, too, Tommy_Carcetti!
I am grateful for Al's brilliant service to our country and hope he enjoys the rest of his life, whether or not he ever enters politics again.

mahina

(17,720 posts)
44. Thank you patriot Al Franken. I miss your voice and intellect every day.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 06:06 PM
Jan 2019

We lost a powerhouse and now I know why.

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