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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen you're celebrating the Stone indictment tonight, don't forget to toast Senator Al Franken.
The bottom line:
Roger Stone publicly wanted Jeff Sessions to conduct a whitewash "investigation" of the Trussia matter.
Then Senator Franken grills Sessions in committee and reveals all his conflicts.
Sessions has no choice but to recuse himself.
Shortly thereafter, Robert Mueller is appointed special counsel. There will be no whitewash.
Stone obviously was pissed at Franken for screwing things up for him.
He cryptically tweets about Franken's "time in the barrel."
Shortly afterwards, allegations of "sexual harassment" against Franken--centering on a decades old joke photograph and a few other vague accusations arise
Franken ultimately resigns his seat due to political pressure in good part due to accusations coinciding with the ongoing Roy Moore-Doug Jones senate race.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/15/roger-stone-trump-investigation-russia-intelligence
Stone has called on the White House to order an immediate investigation through the Department of Justice over alleged improper links between members of the Trump inner circle and the Kremlin during the course of the 2016 presidential campaign. His request adds to a mounting chorus of demands from senior congressional members and outside advocacy groups for an official inquiry into the affair.
In an interview with the Guardian, Stone appealed to Trump, whom he has been close to for almost 40 years, to convene an inquiry through Jeff Sessions, the newly appointed US attorney general. The president should tell his attorney general that either he finds proof of this, or he puts it to bed and announces none of it happened.
dalton99a
(81,649 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)since 2006. Never forget,ABC Radio Station in LA was a willing agent in this.
enough
(13,265 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)against him.
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)STONE plays media spin games.
STONE saw the funny pix and videos of Tweeden and Franken (while Franken was a comedian).
STONE, via Tweeden, spun a Vaudevillian groping photo as real shit, man! rather than the improv satire it obviously was. (Satire and Vaudeville are lighthearted forms of CRITIQUE people!).
STONE did not encourage Tweeden to come forward with videos showing Tweedens own satirical slapping of a bass players ass, and her grabbing another musician (satirically) with her legs.
STONE KNEW a poorly educated America doesnt know WTF satire is.
STONE counted on the media doing a shitty job of sharing those Tweeden videos.
Tweedens own antics were published here in DU, but no one seems to care what DU says. Could it be because we over-indulge Trump World and pretty much ignore everything else (like global warming and the serious policy news about the Green New Deal that came out last week?).
The Hill: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/360726-stone-appeared-to-know-franken-allegation-was-coming
Former Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone appeared to know there were sexual misconduct allegations involving Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) hours before they became public.
Stone has been banned from Twitter, but at 1 a.m. on Thursday morning an account connected to him tweeted a quote from the Republican political operative.
"Roger Stone says it's Al Franken's 'time in the barrel'. Franken next in long list of Democrats to be accused of 'grabby' behavior," read the tweet from Enter the Stone Zone
Autumn
(45,120 posts)they should have too.
radius777
(3,635 posts)to their advantage, and unfortunately, some on our side took the bait.
Al Franken was one of our most effective voices, who was never afraid to ask to the tough questions, with a comedian's wit, going back to the Bush days (before he was senator) when he wrote all those books.
Stone and Tweeden (Hannity buddy) should be investigated for concocting the entire hit on Franken.
mulsh
(2,959 posts)a notion that crossed my mind more than once when it was happening. Clearly there must have been something we don't know about that hastened his resignation. Stopping the dirty tricks quickly certainly fits that scenario.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Who would be able to see it for what it was and sacrifice himself to stop the circus.
FakeNoose
(32,833 posts)... as if we needed any more! This couldn't happen to a more deserving fella.
LakeArenal
(28,863 posts)But consider the terrible judgement of Senators involved, at the least, to political opportunists eyeing 2020 at the height.
aka-chmeee
(1,132 posts)but they sure seemed to enjoy being up there in the locomotive's cab.
LakeArenal
(28,863 posts)The little engine that did....
MyOwnPeace
(16,945 posts)Thank you.
Come back, Al!
We need you to do this:
BamaRefugee
(3,488 posts)DFW
(54,451 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 25, 2019, 02:02 PM - Edit history (1)
And that influences my opinion of their qualifications to be president. Every one of them. I'll support our nominee of course, but I will wait until the primaries are over if one of his Senate detractors appears to have the nomination in the bag.
I will support the Democratic nominee, but I cant overlook the railroading of Senator Franken. Hes one of our best.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Texin
(2,600 posts)marieo1
(1,402 posts)Go, Al Franken, we in Minnesota love you. I hope you come back and fight for us!!!
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)I miss my senator.
FrankTC
(210 posts)He brought to the Senate a unique blend of devotion, insight, intelligence, wit, and effectiveness. We have other great Senators (Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren) who tower above the turdscape of the Republican majority, but Franken is in a class of his own. I hope he remains in public service.
Kitchari
(2,168 posts)We need him back! Come back, Al!
DFW
(54,451 posts)But I sure am glad someone else did!!
Thanks, TC!
question everything
(47,549 posts)Not Gillibrand, not Harris, not Warren.
karynnj
(59,507 posts)Cory Booker also demanded Franken step down.
I think we should not use that as a litmus test.
question everything
(47,549 posts)We all have our "litmus test." For me, this is it.
LakeArenal
(28,863 posts)All too political savy to fall for Repuke bait.
So political opportunism must be the case.
Tho I will say Booker and Baldwin my personal biggest disappointments.
question everything
(47,549 posts)And Sanders is not even a Democrat. I don't know why many here still adore him and are constantly disappointed by him.
LakeArenal
(28,863 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)is not an argument. Do better.
JI7
(89,281 posts)Cha
(297,843 posts)WheelWalker
(8,956 posts)catrose
(5,075 posts)If our democracy is saved, I'll always give you a good part of the credit.
karynnj
(59,507 posts)recusal. Senator Leahy in one of his written questions asked the question even more precisely than Franken did. As his was written - and the response written - it never got the cable media coverage of the video of Franken asking his question.
Many Democrats raised questions on how his campaign work impacted his impartiality. ALL of them - even if they did not speak of recusal - created the basis for him doing so. The problem for Sessions was NOT an answer to Franken, but the truth of his situation. Sessions agreed with ethics experts that he had to recuse himself. Not doing so could have led to extreme legal problems himself - especially as Trump's comments showed he expected Sessions to shut things down.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)They dont like it when you point out the facts.
Hekate
(90,901 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)NEVER FORGET. Love ya Al.
dlk
(11,585 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Not likely he could have gotten any legislation passed in a republican controlled Senate with a republican president.
ismnotwasm
(42,021 posts)Because it always seemed strange to me. I understand he was under intense pressure. But I thought at the time theres only two things that make sense, one, there are even more women out there to accuse him, or two, he deliberately took himself out of the line of fire and accusation and focused attention because he knew how bad things were probably going to get. In other words he sacrificed himself.
As time went on I began leaning toward the second possibility more and more. Franklin could have rode it out, or rode it out longer, but he took himself out of play. He knew.
I believe he will make a political comeback
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)he no longer had the confidence of the Senate Democratic leader, which meant he had no choice but to resign, if he wanted his state represented.
He was forced out by people who had their eye on running for the Presidency, when the public started calling for Franken to run. The Republicans arranged for the first, and biggest, allegation by an active Republican, announcing the matter on Fox.
That's how it happened that one of the most effective and honorable Senators was forced out. He could have insisted on staying, interfering with the Senate process, and leaving his state w/o decent representation (he would have been kicked off his committees, and he would have not been able to collaborate or discuss issues or bills with other Senators). So he had to leave.
He will not make a national political comeback. His national political career was killed. He still has a state political career, if he wants, IMO. Governor or whatever.
murielm99
(30,778 posts)But I am not sure you go far enough.
When anyone loses the confidence of their coalition, it is best to resign. Fair or not, that is what happened to Franken. It can happen at any level: county, state, federal.
This was a big win for the repiggies.
LakeArenal
(28,863 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)An all "white boy" ticket that will prove that white boys can be progressive, too.
DFW
(54,451 posts)He was pretty disgusted with the way it all went down, and does not look forward to working with former colleagues that treated him like they did. I know he would be welcomed on the national scene, and plenty of Minnesotans would love to see their most eloquent voice raised again. But there is some serious bitterness to overcome, and it has only been a year. I do not blame him one bit. Who is to say they wouldn't do it again if it became expedient in their eyes? There are many of lesser character loudly tooting their own horns on the platform he left them. The fact that I strongly support many of their positions does not "make it alright," and it is not enough for me to make me support them in the primaries. The Republicans will nominate someone thoroughly disgusting, whether it is Trump or someone else, so I will be behind our nominee 100%. I just would prefer it be someone I can support without reservation, although during the election campaign, I will of course have no reservations.
ffr
(22,674 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It was what the Republicans had manipulated. Mission accomplished. IMO.
DFW
(54,451 posts)Al was felled by a direct hit from an experimental weapon.
I doubt even the Republicans expected it to have the success it did.
BamaRefugee
(3,488 posts)HelenWheels
(2,284 posts)What is the name of this group? Now I see it is Player.
niyad
(113,650 posts)ananda
(28,887 posts)Hearts to Al Franken!
cp
(6,673 posts)To your health! And to your, too, Tommy_Carcetti!
I am grateful for Al's brilliant service to our country and hope he enjoys the rest of his life, whether or not he ever enters politics again.
mahina
(17,720 posts)We lost a powerhouse and now I know why.