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Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 01:35 PM Jan 2019

What do you think of Rep. Clyburn's offer?

Democratic Rep. Whip James Clyburn's offer to end the shutdown is to give 5.7 billion for border security, a "smart wall" instead of an immoral actual wall. I am for this offer, but I wouldn't go any further.

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Doreen

(11,686 posts)
3. What is the difference
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 01:43 PM
Jan 2019

between a smart wall and an immoral wall? It remains to be a wall. A wall is a wall.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
10. It's not a wall. It would be using modern technology, which has been needed, to monitor the border
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 01:59 PM
Jan 2019

instead of trucks and agents just driving back and forth along it. People cross illegally and many have died. I think something like this along with more agents and more ports need to be built and manned for those seeking asylum would be a good thing. They can call it a wall for Trump and his dipshit followers because they are dumb enough to be convinced of anything.

haele

(12,685 posts)
7. Smart wall, better screening and training for BP agents and better POE facilities - maybe.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 01:48 PM
Jan 2019

Those are all more intelligent ways of dealing with illegal border crossings (as in, not at the ports of entry) than building an actual wall.

Just as improved security technology and practices (automatic lights, cancellation of regular deliveries when not at home for a long period of time) are much better to protect your personal home property than putting up a six-ft. fence when living in a burglary prone area.

In fact, most towns or cities I have lived in over the past 40 years, the local police departments had pushed for building codes that do not allow solid fences or hedges over 6 ft. as a public safety measure - to protect them when they might be chasing suspects through neighborhoods.
Now, I don't know if I want to give DHS 5.7 Bill this year for that sort of border security - DHS has only spent a little over 6% of their allocated border security budget since 2017, so what makes anyone think they're going to do anything with additional money for a "smart" border when they don't spend the money they have had for the past two years that was allocated to do that very same thing.
Require they use the money they have on hand first on policies and projects that work in the first place, instead of on a Three-Stooges style reactionary spending spree. Then give them more taxpayer money if they still need it.

Haele

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
8. I think it's a great idea!
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 01:48 PM
Jan 2019

I think giving him the money for a tech wall - as opposed to a masonry wall - is a fantastic idea. He wants a wall, we give him our best wall, and that further boxes him and the GOP into a "masonry corner". Keeping the shutdown going when, in the minds of the people, *we agreed to his funding*, shows people how incredibly petty he really is.

moondust

(20,017 posts)
18. Not the way to spend money.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 02:27 PM
Jan 2019

You don't address a "problem" by starting with a "solution." That's the idiocy of this whole wall idea: it takes for granted a problem that has not been evaluated and advances a "solution" (wall) without any real basis in fact or need. It's all just political BS. Even Dump voters didn't vote for just "a wall" or for "steel slats" or for "border security"--they voted for "a wall that Mexico will pay for" (which is really just another one of Dump's monuments to himself and in this case to his/their racism).

Solving a "problem" starts with examining a situation to determine if there even is a problem that needs to be solved.

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