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Democratic Rep. Whip James Clyburn's offer to end the shutdown is to give 5.7 billion for border security, a "smart wall" instead of an immoral actual wall. I am for this offer, but I wouldn't go any further.
FarPoint
(12,466 posts)No.
GeorgeGist
(25,324 posts)about this "smart wall".
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)Sensors, drones and more agents
Doreen
(11,686 posts)between a smart wall and an immoral wall? It remains to be a wall. A wall is a wall.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)instead of trucks and agents just driving back and forth along it. People cross illegally and many have died. I think something like this along with more agents and more ports need to be built and manned for those seeking asylum would be a good thing. They can call it a wall for Trump and his dipshit followers because they are dumb enough to be convinced of anything.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Doreen
(11,686 posts)Jose Garcia
(2,609 posts)Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)And be much less imposing
haele
(12,685 posts)Those are all more intelligent ways of dealing with illegal border crossings (as in, not at the ports of entry) than building an actual wall.
Just as improved security technology and practices (automatic lights, cancellation of regular deliveries when not at home for a long period of time) are much better to protect your personal home property than putting up a six-ft. fence when living in a burglary prone area.
In fact, most towns or cities I have lived in over the past 40 years, the local police departments had pushed for building codes that do not allow solid fences or hedges over 6 ft. as a public safety measure - to protect them when they might be chasing suspects through neighborhoods.
Now, I don't know if I want to give DHS 5.7 Bill this year for that sort of border security - DHS has only spent a little over 6% of their allocated border security budget since 2017, so what makes anyone think they're going to do anything with additional money for a "smart" border when they don't spend the money they have had for the past two years that was allocated to do that very same thing.
Require they use the money they have on hand first on policies and projects that work in the first place, instead of on a Three-Stooges style reactionary spending spree. Then give them more taxpayer money if they still need it.
Haele
TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)I think giving him the money for a tech wall - as opposed to a masonry wall - is a fantastic idea. He wants a wall, we give him our best wall, and that further boxes him and the GOP into a "masonry corner". Keeping the shutdown going when, in the minds of the people, *we agreed to his funding*, shows people how incredibly petty he really is.
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)Petty and vain.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)lostnfound
(16,193 posts)old guy
(3,284 posts)Once you start down that road you are forever going to keep on giving.
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)Communists and fascists build walls.
We are Americans.
moondust
(20,017 posts)You don't address a "problem" by starting with a "solution." That's the idiocy of this whole wall idea: it takes for granted a problem that has not been evaluated and advances a "solution" (wall) without any real basis in fact or need. It's all just political BS. Even Dump voters didn't vote for just "a wall" or for "steel slats" or for "border security"--they voted for "a wall that Mexico will pay for" (which is really just another one of Dump's monuments to himself and in this case to his/their racism).
Solving a "problem" starts with examining a situation to determine if there even is a problem that needs to be solved.