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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie Sanders set to announce 2020 presidential run
Hunter Walker - White House Correspondent,Yahoo NewsJanuary 25, 2019
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Two sources with direct knowledge of his plans told Yahoo News that Sanders, an independent and self-described democratic socialist, plans to announce his presidential bid imminently. While Sanders has been mulling a bid for months, one of the sources said he was emboldened by early polls of the race that have consistently showed him as one of the top candidates in a crowded Democratic primary field. In particular, the source said Sanders was heartened to see numbers indicating he is one of the leading candidates among African American and Latino voters, two groups he was perceived as struggling with in 2016.
A third source said Sanders bid will begin with an exploratory committee. Sanders campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment on this story.
In addition to these two sources, a former Sanders staffer who was not been briefed on the imminent announcement plans nevertheless said they were aware of many recent signs he is set to pull the trigger on a presidential campaign. Specifically, the former staffer said Sanders has been building out the infrastructure he would need for a White House bid.
Hes already talking to staff and there are people hes hiring. Theyre nailing down contracts with vendors,
all the movement is there for him to run, the ex-staffer said.
https://news.yahoo.com/bernie-sanders-set-announce-2020-presidential-run-234647684.html
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)And I think Bernie would be a solid addition to the slate.
trueblue2007
(17,228 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)With one of the most anti-Trump voting records in the Senate - 4th place, between Elizabeth Warren and Cory Booker.
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)GWC58
(2,678 posts)sure, Ill vote for him. As for the primary? NO! 🤔
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)his affiliation with the party, and declare himself and Independent again.
He hates the Democratic party, and he wild discard it as soon as it has he's used it to achieve his goals.
GWC58
(2,678 posts)and gone. Could he get the nomination? Sure he could. Will he? I have my serious doubts. 🤔
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)concede if he loses, and derail the whole thing.
GWC58
(2,678 posts)indeed! 😳😱
trueblue2007
(17,228 posts)why are you having "women" problems bernie? you don't get my vote doing this ......
~~~~~ >> In February 2016, Giulianna Di Lauro, a Latino outreach strategist for Senator Bernie Sanderss presidential operation, complained to her supervisor that she had been harassed by a campaign surrogate whom she drove to events ahead of the Democratic primary in Nevada.
She said the surrogate told her she had beautiful curly hair and asked if he could touch it, Ms. Di Lauro said in an interview. Thinking he would just touch a strand, she consented. But she said that he ran his hand through her hair in a sexual way and continued to grab, touch and push my boundaries for the rest of the day.
I just wanted to be done with it so badly, she said.
When she reported the incident to Bill Velazquez, a manager on the Latino outreach team, he told her, I bet you would have liked it if he were younger, according to her account and another woman who witnessed the exchange. Then he laughed.
Accounts like Ms. Di Lauros describing episodes of sexual harassment and demeaning treatment as well as pay disparity in Mr. Sanderss 2016 campaign have circulated in recent weeks in emails, online comments and private discussions among former supporters. Now, as the Vermont senator tries to build support for a second run at the White House, his perceived failure to address this issue has damaged his progressive bona fides, delegates and nearly a dozen former state and national staff members said in interviews over the last month.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html
jalan48
(13,870 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)trueblue2007
(17,228 posts)he can run in Prairie Dog World.
George II
(67,782 posts)And it's not a "slate" until the nominees are chosen.
Bernie is not a Democrat.
Smackdown2019
(1,188 posts)He is 77 years old NOW, meaning he would be 79 years old two years from now. Add 4 years to that, 83 years. With stress and let's be frank, each year pass 70 for a male is a mile stone. What about a Democratic four more years? Which would be 87. So basically, get a younger candidate that is a DEMOCRAT!
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)manor321
(3,344 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)He is not a Democrat and better not try to pretend he is so he can run as a democrat. We tried that. Once was enough.
But who will he steal votes from if he runs third party? Gawd I wish he would just give it up.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Read the article.
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)The new DNC rule will force sanders to actually join the party and force sanders to campaign as a member of the party
Link to tweet
In addition, new ballot access laws will require sanders to release five or ten years of tax returns. I really doubt that sanders will run in 2020 but if he does he will be grilled in the debates about his actions that were designed to help trump win.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)trueblue2007
(17,228 posts)Bernie Sanders has released few tax returns compared with past and ...
Bernie Sanders has released few tax returns compared with past and present .... How transparent has Sanders been with his tax past returns?
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/06/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-has-released-few-tax-returns-compar/
he didn't comply
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)Several other blue states are likely to adopt similar laws. sanders could wait until he actually files in Maryland to release his returns
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)Docreed2003
(16,863 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)he will still get a certain percentage and it will be enough to fuck us.
It will.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)There will be foreign astroturfers -- Russian, Chinese, somewhere -- who will do their best to increase his percentage.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)msongs
(67,417 posts)Freethinker65
(10,024 posts)If he feels he needs to run to bring attention to causes he believes in, fine. He and Gabbard can fight for the same voters.
BlueintheSTL
(135 posts)Bernie Sanders got crushed against Hillary when it was a binary choice. How in the world does he think he is going to do any better when he has go against at least a dozen other candidates that are a lot more popular than Hillary? This time his supporters in 2016 will have a lot of options. They did not have that in 2016.
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)I suspect most of his supporters have moved on.
He really should just give it up. He's done enough damage.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)He did quite well considering his low name recognition at the outset of the primary.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)musette_sf
(10,202 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)some of whom resented the modern-day diverse Dem Party as embodied by the Obama/Hillary wing.
That (white populism) was not the only reason behind Sanders' rise, but a core reason, especially when given a binary choice.
Sanders' supporters were overwhelmingly white, and he survived so long due to winning several caucuses in white states.
He got crushed in almost all of the primaries (where there is larger turnout and more diverse) and in almost all metro/diverse areas and states across the country, where Dems get most votes from. He also got crushed in the South where most Democrats are black.
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)He has a huge blind spot when it comes to issues affecting AA voters.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)So hoping he's gone by the end of the South Carolina primary.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)in his how many years SIGH as a benchmark for other politicians who will actually do stuff, well, say hello to another GOP president.
BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)11cents
(1,777 posts)Which of course may or may not mean a damn thing --other than it's not 2016.
Cha
(297,307 posts)twitter are activists and they vote.
It's encouraging.
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)He better not be trying to run as a Dem.
I suspect this won't run well.
Didn't they change the rules basically meaning he has to run an indie or change his affiliation.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Because it clearly says that he is running as a Democrat.
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)As in Bernie Sanders gets 0 delegates
brush
(53,787 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Bernie Sanders Tops the List of 2020 Democratic Contenders in New Poll
Joe Biden and Beto ORourke round out the top three in the Democracy for America survey
"WASHINGTON Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT) holds a commanding lead in a new poll of liberal grassroots activists conducted by Democracy for America, the lefty activist group founded by former Vermont governor and 2004 presidential candidate Howard Dean.
In a field of 23 candidates, Sanders claimed 36 percent of the first-place votes by DFA activists, more than double the percentage of former Vice President Joe Biden, who finished in second with 15 percent. Rep. Beto ORourke (D-TX), who narrowly lost his Senate race against Republican Ted Cruz last month, took third place with 12 percent. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) grabbed fourth with 8 percent and Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) rounded out the top five with seven percent."
DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)Meaningless.
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)earthshine
(1,642 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Because I'm a real Bernie supporter. And he has done nothing to lessen my support.
rgbecker
(4,832 posts)Both straight talkers. Always on topic. Locked and loaded.
lapucelle
(18,275 posts)musicblind
(4,484 posts)I'm pretty much team Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren. Maybe Beto.
I don't usually make firm choices until after the first debates but, at the moment, those are the front runners for me, personally.
But who knows, maybe all the three will have bad debate showings? Or, maybe Biden or Bernie will blow me away at the debates?
But right now, I'm leaning Kamala, Elizabeth, Beto.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 25, 2019, 10:41 PM - Edit history (1)
but Amy Klobuchar has impressed the hell out of me. She's got more experience and is well liked by most. I think she has become equal to, if not first over, Kamala for me. They are both exciting as candidates, though! Amy hasn't announced yet but I think she will.
We have so much talent in our party. It's going to be great fun, I think.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,794 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)trof
(54,256 posts)Bye, bye, Bernie
I'm gonna miss you so
Bye, bye, Bernie
Why'd ya have to go (Bye, bye)
No more sunshine (Sunshine)
It's followed you away (You away)
I'll cry, Bernie (Bernie)
Till you're home to stay (Home to stay)
I'll miss the way you smile
As though it's just for me
And each and ev'ry night
I'll write
Bye, bye, Bernie,
It's awful hard to bear
Bye, bye, Bernie
Guess I'll always care
Guess I'll always ca-a-a-a-are
Guess I'll always care
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MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I couldn't be more excited...
Joe941
(2,848 posts)Been waiting for this.
Cha
(297,307 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)Hes not going to be the nominee. When that becomes clear to Bernie and how long he stays in to cause trouble is the real issue.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)trueblue2007
(17,228 posts)I BLAME bernie.....
betsuni
(25,537 posts)Making a Goldman Sachs speech diabolical: "It must be a fantastic speech, a brilliant speech which you would want to share with the American people. It must be Shakespearean!"
"We need a campaign -- an election -- coming up which does not have two candidates who are really very, very strongly disliked. I don't wanna see the American people voting for the lesser of two evils. I want the American people to be voting for a vision of economic justice, of environmental justice, of racial justice."
And so much more. These are his words.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)marlakay
(11,474 posts)Maybe thats his point now and not to win.
I hope so.
Cha
(297,307 posts)kinds of Dems.
The Democratic Platform is inclusive.
https://democrats.org/about/party-platform/
BS is too divisive.
musette_sf
(10,202 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Because it says what ticket he'd be running on.
musette_sf
(10,202 posts)but I'm not sure that is his decision to make. Unless he joins the party, that is.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I don't see why he wouldn't be able to do so again.
musette_sf
(10,202 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 26, 2019, 09:06 AM - Edit history (2)
last time, but he's had a couple of years to start gathering them.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Why didn't he release it in 2015? And where are the other years?
The "HE DID TOO SHOW HIS TAX RETURNS!!!11" thing. Come on, man. Ridiculous.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)One year wasn't enough then and it isn't now.
https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/15/bernie-sanders-releases-his-2014-tax-returns/
Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont released his 2014 federal tax returns on Friday, following weeks of questioning by his rival, Hillary Clinton, and the media and promises that he would do so.
The couples income $205,617 in 2014 includes $156,441 in wages and salary and $46,213 from Social Security benefits, although some of those benefits are not taxable, according to seven pages of tax returns released by the Sanders campaign. The returns, which were prepared by Mr. Sanderss wife, Jane, also show that the couple gave $8,350 as gifts to charity and paid $27,653 in federal income taxes.
For weeks, Mr. Sanders had said he would release his tax returns, saying he had not done so previously because Ms. Sanders does the couples taxes but she had been campaigning alongside him for months.
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honest.abe
(8,678 posts)All he will accomplish is get his followers all pissed off at the Democratic party.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)honest.abe
(8,678 posts)Gin up misplaced anger among his followers against the Democratic party and the eventual nominee. Which will likely result in many not showing up to vote or not enthusiastic about our nominee.
Yes, thats dangerous given that it might result in 4 more years of Trump hell.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And also - HRC still won the popular vote by quite a large margin (and he campaigned for her after she got the nomination).
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)Many of his followers ended up hating her and the Democratic party. That could happen again.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Remember Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter?
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)and his attacks are more about taking the Democratic party down rather than helping us to win. There is no room for error this time. The only goal in 2020 must be to defeat Trump and the Republican party. We do not need Bernie throwing rocks at us while we try do that.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And has one the strongest anti-Trump voting records in the Senate.
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,154 posts)It's one of the main reasons I could never support Teddy Kennedy.
his followers are/were already all pissed off at the Democratic party. That is WHY they are/were his followers.
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)I would say his followers start out disappointed / uninspired by the Democratic Party but after a year of Bernie's attacks during the primary they will end up hating the Party.
Case in point 2016 convention many booed a Dem legend John Lewis. We do not need anything like that in 2020.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Vinca
(50,278 posts)There is a time for everyone and Bernie's has come and gone as far as running for POTUS.
mcar
(42,334 posts)I'll need to see the paperwork.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)I hope there are rule changes to discourage him.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)All Bernie can do at this point is damage.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Go away, old man.
PSPS
(13,601 posts)Sanders' purpose isn't to promote ideas as much as it is to sow discord in the democratic party. He's another kremlin asset. He had a weekly gig on RT last time, for christ's sake. Hey Bernie, we're all still waiting for those tax returns you promised.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)David__77
(23,421 posts)I dont even think there will be any emails complaining about his entry!
betsuni
(25,537 posts)that would be less than flattering ... . That's what happens in campaigns."
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)everywhere. It looks like people are very aware of what was sacrificed.
Liberal In Texas
(13,556 posts)I wish he wouldn't
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)OhZone
(3,212 posts)Yeah, I know. Nutty Tin foil hat time.
I just don't trust him for two seconds.
I've even wondered if Russia got lots of compromat on him dating back to his honeymoon in Moscow.
Any way, I only support Democrats.
Oh well.
doc03
(35,346 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,950 posts)Apollyonus
(812 posts)looking at this thread it appears that he will be unsuccessful unlike last time.
George II
(67,782 posts)....this doesn't happen again?
http://time.com/5490813/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexual-harassment/
Former Bernie Sanders Staffers Voice Concerns About 'Sexual Harassment and Violence' on 2016 Campaign
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)He will not be the nominee, but his ideas/policies are more than welcome to this lifelong Democrat. We owe him a debt of gratitude.
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)Response to Donkees (Original post)
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David__77
(23,421 posts)...
jalan48
(13,870 posts)Response to Donkees (Original post)
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LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Tired of this guys act, borrowing the Democratic Party when it suits him, and his weird aversion to Russia sanctions.
Just...no.
RandySF
(58,900 posts)Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Haters gonna hate no matter what Sen. Sanders does or does not do. Im unsure if he will be my primary favorite but Ill see what the campaign brings.
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IMPEACH_45DJT
(7 posts)Either him or Warren would be fantastic. Ultimately though, I'll vote for ANY Dem over the orange menace.
SamKnause
(13,108 posts)Cha
(297,307 posts)Link to tweet
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...listen to a recent Bernie Sanders speech:
Cha
(297,307 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)There is a pattern that hasnt gone unnoticed.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...to write an article is to listen to a Bernie Sanders speech or interview until he says one sentence which will sound bad out-of-context and then create a controversy with it.
Yes, journalists have done that many times.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)susanna
(5,231 posts)tweet...for some reason, he's blocked me on Twitter. Thank you for the glimpse lol.
He's right, tho.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,033 posts)aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)(Just kidding.) More seriously, given how divisive he is, given his tone deafness about gender and race realities, and given the fact that he is NOT a Democrat, this is not good news.
Mike Nelson
(9,959 posts)
this is good news. I've always expected him to run again, but was worried about him running as a non-partisan candidate. Bernie has the Presidential bug and he will run, and if the Democrats don't let him run as a Democrat, he will run non-partisan... that would be a disaster. Harris is my present favorite - but there are so many great choices!
lapucelle
(18,275 posts)- a culture of toxic masculinity within his 2016 campaign,
- his votes against Russia sanctions, (including his recent missed vote),
- his pro-gun votes,
- his Crime Bill vote,
- flat-leaving the Democratic party after admittedly exploiting its structure and resources,
- earning maximum profit by allowing Amazon to market, sell, and distribute his books,
- and his continued reluctance to release his mysterious taxes.
In general, many people don't find career politicians whose chief accomplishment has been to amass a personal fortune particularly trustworthy or inspiring.
pamdb
(1,332 posts)Hes too damn old. Dont these people ever want to retire?
Is he going to run as a democrat. Again?
Love how he jumps in and out of the party as it suits him.
And I voted for him in the Michigan primary but I think if he had conceded, like Hillary did to Obama in 2008 and thrown his support to Hillary earlier instead of hanging around with hints of a brokered convention, more of his supporters might have gone with Hillary. He was a sore looser.
Just stay a senator, hes needed in that position at least until he retires, if he ever does.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Creeps me out. We have a deep bench and plenty of candidates whose campaign heads never once met a Russian mobster, much less did business with one.