He's not strong. He's weak. Don't be afraid of the bully.

35 days ago, and he declares 15 days from now he will have been in dereliction of duty for not declaring it from the jump.

No one will stand for it and the courts will stand against it.

He lost whether he wants to admit it or not.

Staff:
"look at what's happening to airline flights. You have got to stop this before there's a crash. Trust us, you will look like a hero. "

Trump:
"They will????? Waaaa. But will I get my wall??

Staff:
"Of course ! You can just do that emergency thingie"

They all missed the boat on declaring the trumped-up, non-emergency an emergency 36 days ago. They wiil look absolutely silly and incompetent by declaring an emergency 35 days plus 15 more after the so-called emergency began.

But let them try it. The courts will not be amused and I'm sure Sp. Pelosi will be prepared for such a contingency.

under other statutes (to declare an emergency).

Declaration
NEA Section 201 authorizes the president to declare a national emergency. The proclamation of a national emergency must be immediately transmitted to Congress and published in the Federal Register.1,2 Under NEA Section 301, statutory emergency authorities enabled by the national emergency declaration cannot be exercised until the president specifies the provisions of law under which the president or other officials will act. Such specification may be made either in the declaration or in subsequent Executive Orders published in the Federal Register and transmitted to Congress.

Termination
A national emergency can be terminated if the president issues a proclamation or if Congress enacts a joint resolution terminating the emergency. A national emergency will terminate automatically upon the anniversary of the proclamation unless the president renews the proclamation by transmitting notice to Congress within a 90-day period prior to the anniversary date and publishing it in the Federal Register.

He had to give in with no wall.

He got zero out of this shutdown. He has no reason to do it again, just like a toddler who threw a tantrum but ended up not getting any candy.

That’s why standing strong was so important for Dems. They won.

And should be planned for.

Then let the litigation begin! Those Texas landowners on the border will be getting a head start on taking him on!!!

Nothing will happen but he’ll claim victory and move on. His “base” will go to their graves believing there is now a Great Wall on the southern border.

A metaphorical cut of flank steak tossed to the base, and problem solved. Sorta.

Emergency..how does a prez fund it?

an epic disaster that prevents Congress from acting quickly enough or even meeting at all. Think massive surprise invasion of the United States or a tidal wave swamping the entire East Coast.

But what he can't do is declare a national emergency in an obvious attempt to get around Congress.

can declare a NE, without much trouble (besides the political firestorm). He can do immeasurable damage, if he's so inclined. But if he just wants $$ he can rob from military budget. He would also have to seize land (unless he chooses spots that are owned by US.).

It says he can move military money around for a "national emergency" but what constitutes an emergency is undefined, probably deliberately so. That doesn't mean the power is infinite or can be used to make an end ru around Congress.

stop him. I don't think he would really care about anyone suing him. He's been there before. And now that he's got the SC stacked....

He's got his attys looking into this. He said that a week or two ago. Any way you look at this, though, it's like a really bad rabbit hole to go down. And if most people against a shutdown, more would be against this endeavor.

Given his mental illness, just can't see him giving up on the wall, can you? His attys may find a way to do it, but it would be political suicide.

It wouldn't matter except that his whole base is waiting for a wall.

Quite a pickle he's in. It's like his base is holding him hostage.

They can be difficult to predict, but one thing is constant - it's all about maintaining their image in their own mind. It doesn't matter what they say they want, or what makes sense, or what they threaten to do. It doesn't even matter what his base wants. I think Pelosi has his number. If she comes up with a compromise that he thinks makes him look better than getting a wall, then he will go for it and claim it is his idea.

In fact, he's already told her what he'll settle for. Because he went from a 2,000 mile concrete wall, to a steel slat barrier to a 200 mile barrier. Which could be a fence, just like what we have now. It can have 50 feet of wall somewhere. No matter, he'll take it and declare victory. The rest of the money can go to real border security and hiring more immigration judges.

And I do think Pelosi has his number because she said she he would take a bead curtain or a line of flower pots. She's exactly right. So I think she's got this.

single repuke that's been on TV - stop using the word 'wall' and start saying 'barrier', and they have. They, and Trump himself, have also switched to saying "hell no, crazy Dems, we never said we wanted it from sea to sea." They are masters at messaging (however crazy the message is). Have always been jealous of this.

And I think once the impeachment proceedings start, this will be another article of impeachment under Abuse of Power.

Per the Constitution, Congress has to allocate funds. The president can't just declare an emergency and allocate funds himself, at least not legally. The president not getting his way isn't an emergency.

I don't think the courts, conservative or not, will allow this nonsense.

Bingo. I doubt he will try to continue this fight--he already lost, he already exposed himself as a wimp, why would he dig in deeper? I know he is ego-driven and bone stupid, but he's canny--sorta: he will duck rather than demand another showdown that he will lose. No, we're off to other battles....what, I can't imagine. What can match his fixation on this? What can fire up the base? Maybe it is true that Neutering Nancy (h/t Stephen Colbert) ended his presidency today. One can only hope.

I'm sure it is tempting. But rump's presidency is all about teevee and Venezuela doesn't have the fear factor to be exploited like the Middle East or, y'know, Mexico!. I don't think it is a contender for preznitial distractions.

His entire life he has bluffed and blustered his way through every situation, and finally, someone called his bluff. No doubt he will keep bluffing, but it's too late.

He finally met someone that knows how to deal with a narcissist. Thank God.

when Obama humiliated him. He has got to punch back. I don't like to hear people gloating over
him caving in, he will come up with something maybe worse. That fool is capable of anything.

Man is obsessed...I would bet a ton he won’t give up

https://mobile.twitter.com/presssec/status/1088971799956729856

How can it be a NATIONAL EMERGENCY when he has waited over two years to call it that? He shut down the government for 35 days and is willing to wait another 21 to declare this emergency. Then even if he is allowed the money...the wall will take years to build. An EMERGENCY is action immediately...like when you call an ambulance you expect it to respond far sooner than a year.

Declare it ?

He lost. And he isn't about to pick another fight to lose so SO publicly.

...and, if they don’t — the next Democratic President will arrive in the Oval Office with a whole file-box of “national emergency” proclamations covering everything from healthcare to climate change to gun safety.

The courts can strike it down.

...and Pelosi/Schumer have already said they will.

In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii

If "public ministers" includes the President and members of Congress, then the Supreme Court would hear the case. If not, another Federal court would.

The wall is never happening.

I'm sure they'll have a solid strategy in place.

comes out before then, he'll be in the impeachment process and that fucking wall will be old news.

I don't have any special information.

ie like declaring a national emergency or other trick - but knowing it will fail, ie get challenged in the courts. Then he'll move on to other things, perhaps create other controversies, etc.

Basically this is all about him pinned down by his base and not knowing a way out, especially since Nancy is smartly pinning him from the other direction. Best strategy, let his (dwindling) base destroy him.

by what other people will tolerate

He can't just shout Emergency! and expect everybody will his bidding on everything

This will be especially true when he's losing a related political fight

support. Like he thinks he did a great thing by opening the government and paying them and now it's a new ball game and the public and Dems in Congress will suddenly ALL change their minds and believe in him and support him.

That's where he is delusional. Nothing has changed.

The courts will remember he was willing to shut down the courts in pursuit of his wall

The FBI will remember he was willing to shut down the FBI in pursuit of his wall

The Coast Guard will remember he was willing to shut down the Coast Guard in pursuit of his wall

The Senate GOP will remember he was willing to sign off on a funding deal and then suddenly kick them in the crotch and pull out of that funding deal and shut down the government in pursuit of his wall

The public is a big rambling thing, but the law at the top is this: Friends may come, and friends may go, but enemies accumulate

there’s a huge difference between “I paid you...but buckle up for it happening again in 3 weeks” and what he could have said, “I paid you, and promise I will do everything I can so this doesn’t happen to you again.

Add that million to the DACA recipients living in uncertainty and like you say, he is growing the universe of people who are against him, not shrinking it.

The litigation will drag on for the remainder of his one term and then the next President will - as their first act, I’m certain - rescind the state of emergency and the whole thing will fizzle into nothingness before anything actually gets built.

His staff & advisors convinced him to reopen the government as they saw things going rapidly to hell in a handbasket. To entice him to do it they dangled the National Emergency thing, convincing him that he could still keep his base happy by the thinly disguised threat (“I still have options open to me.”) to declare a national emergency to get his wall. But it won’t work. The Dems have three weeks to plot their response if he tries that.

So buckle up, Buckeroos. The cray cray will be flying in about three weeks. Pop some corn, pull up a chair. Looks like Nancy will need to pull out her Speaker of the House card....one more time. Just to remind tRumpolini that SHE has special powers, too. Surprise, surprise, Donald.

Opposition and they are now calling the wall "a barrier of some type."

Also, "they can sue all they want (if he declares an emergency), he will build anyway."

And, "why does Swallwell keep saying long wall? it's only gonna be in strategic locations."

They are definitely changing their tune.

Just to remind them he is in charge? I'm not sure what that would even look like...Just curious.

Pelosi conquered him.

Stop being rude by telling people that.

bone in my body. It was meant to be declarative. Also have a brain that immediately goes to "what's next" when something happens - especially when there will likely be a different outcome in just 3 short weeks. Maybe I should learn to live more in the moment

Trump is already re-threatening to cut economic aid to countries asylum seekers are fleeing. He wants the optics of more asylum seekers heading our way.
Trump might also try to manufacture an emergency by citing big drug or human trafficking busts at the border or new violent acts committed by those that recently made their way into the US illegally from the border.

Thing is, Trump already tried to create an emergency when there was none and failed. Does Trump have the capacity to learn from his mistakes?

Perhaps he will just cut his losses and turn to screw up something else? NK, NATO, the World Bank, the ACA, etc.

Every.single.time he opens his yap with that BS. Of course they don’t want a porous border where there is no safety check to make sure terrorists and criminals don’t slip into the country. But the truth is the people coming in by swimming the Rio Grand or other sneaky ways has dwindled. These people are not stupid. They know it is dangerous and risky. We need controls over that type of entry but not 5.7 Billion on a barrier that is ineffective and comes with so many problems.

Dems need a strategy where they counter every comment he makes whether orally or by Twitter with simple facts and numbers. And be very loud and vocal. Buy ads, use billboards, or whatever it takes to get the word out. YES! We want border security but smart spending that works is the way to go. Not relying on an outdated, ineffective wall/barrier that he promised his minions after one of his advisors told him it would be a great issue to flog during the campaign. He over estimated his ability to bend Congress to his will so now he must pay by admitting there are better ways to spend that much money.

Also...one other little matter. He still doesn’t get it that the majority of Americans are not behind him on this issue. They want border security but not with an expensive wall when there are better ways. They are on to his lies and deceptions. So he just needs to give it up and move on. Something he does not know how to do. tRump advisors and handlers: sit him down and explain the facts of life to this moron, please.

That way is much better for government workers and the rest of the country. By the time it gets through all the federal and state courts the next President from either party will put a stop to it. He is better off with the emergency route because he will then put all the blame on the courts. His followers will believe him.

on in courts/potential lawsuits - he will start building anyway.

Joint Congressional agreement can stop "emergency"

This could be a sure test on whether he blatantly ignores laws.

but I don't think the military will. If he is going to be using money that is earmarked for the military and the military has to decide which projects they have to stop, they might not be willing to forgo doing all the test and preparedness needed to build a wall. Especially it would probably mean fewer schools and daycare centers being built on military installations.

He can deploy them for very scary reasons. Let’s just hope and assume he is not interested in using them to undermine democracy and only wants their budget ? If we are talking wall only, Sounds like he can seize land and use dollars - I assume to pay for labor and materials.

It will probably end up in the courts in all the border states and federal courts. I used probably twice because I am not an attorney. If the wall is built and in some places it has to be built any distance from the border, the land South of the wall will still be in the U.S. That means that people can walk up to the wall and say hello. They will be on U.S. soil thus they will be afforded the protection of The Constitution. Even now, there are about 1.1 million cases backlogged because there are less than 800 immigration judges. In some places, it could actually benefit people wanting to enter. Maybe they could put a phone on that side of the wall to call their lawyers.